Handicapper or Scamdicapper???

[Nickels And Dimes]

I was looking to see if there were any threads on therx for the members to talk about which cappers out there are scumbags who want to steal your money and which cappers can be trusted and are honest. I couldnt find anything really so I figure I'll post here in the Service Play area since this is where we all post these cappers picks day in and day out.

I will start the list and fellow members can add and state opinions

People we can trust:
Steve Budin
Eddie Roman
Karl Garrett (rarely posted here but solid in my opinion)
Trace Adams??
Brian King???

Scumbags we cant trust:
STU ****** NO DOUBT !!!!!
Sebastian sports??
Wayne Root
Frank Tapani
Bobby Esposito??
Brandon Lang (actually think hes somewat an honest guy, just a shitty capper)


hopefully a lot of people respond here and we can build a list of a strong group of cappers and look for who to avoid.

[alwayslosing]

I was looking to see if there were any threads on therx for the members to talk about which cappers out there are scumbags who want to steal your money and which cappers can be trusted and are honest. I couldnt find anything really so I figure I'll post here in the Service Play area since this is where we all post these cappers picks day in and day out.

I will start the list and fellow members can add and state opinions

People we can trust:
Steve Budin
Eddie Roman
Karl Garrett (rarely posted here but solid in my opinion)
Trace Adams??
Brian King???

Scumbags we cant trust:
STU ****** NO DOUBT !!!!!
Sebastian sports??
Wayne Root
Frank Tapani
Bobby Esposito??
Brandon Lang (actually think hes somewat an honest guy, just a shitty capper)


hopefully a lot of people respond here and we can build a list of a strong group of cappers and look for who to avoid.

I like Sebastian..100 star play and up. I know he steals the picks but he wins a great deal

[alwayslosing]

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[kidsmissy]

Why not trust Stu ******? hes been rollin.. And someone you can trust is Indian Cowboys POD's.

[geno25]

I was looking to see if there were any threads on therx for the members to talk about which cappers out there are scumbags who want to steal your money and which cappers can be trusted and are honest. I couldnt find anything really so I figure I'll post here in the Service Play area since this is where we all post these cappers picks day in and day out.

I will start the list and fellow members can add and state opinions

People we can trust:
Steve Budin
Eddie Roman
Karl Garrett (rarely posted here but solid in my opinion)
Trace Adams??
Brian King???

Scumbags we cant trust:
STU ****** NO DOUBT !!!!!
Sebastian sports??
Wayne Root
Frank Tapani
Bobby Esposito??
Brandon Lang (actually think hes somewat an honest guy, just a shitty capper)


hopefully a lot of people respond here and we can build a list of a strong group of cappers and look for who to avoid.
great idea.theres just too many service plays listed.i never heard of half them scumbag touts.if we could narrow it down to 5 or 6 good ones we will be butter.i hope theres some good feedback in this thread.

[kidsmissy]

how can you not trust this.. http://www.stufeiner.com/VideoLibrary/VideoPlayer/tabid/111/VideoId/289/Stu-******-Daily-Video-9272008.aspx :lol:

[ttuboki]

I would like to add more on the trust list:
kelso sturgeon
bobby esposito
winners inc

[aaronjacob]

I thought Bobby Esposito is pretty good, what's the reason u can't trust him?

[Pokerfanatic]

Add The Real Animal as one you can trust. He rarely gets posted but he is solid overall

[The Brainiac]

How can you not trust this ?!!

http://www.stufeiner.com/VideoLibrary/VideoPlayer/tabid/111/VideoId/294/Brian-King-Monday.aspx

[sheetplayer]

I replied in yesterdays thread when Foorball Jesus poted BLT + 7 and said but up to 7 1/2..huge reg flag imo that guys like this are scum.They post lines to there plays that are not readily available to the marketplace just so thay can pad their stats.Whenever i see this i know they are scum because you know if Pitt scored a TD in OT last night they would be touting it as a win on their record but not a single customer would have cashed. Along these lines whenever i see someone post a line from Blowdog they are immediately named a scumbag. Everyone knows they shade their llines on Favs because of all the square action they get, which is fine, but nobody who play seriously uses them because they dont pay. So what good does it do the customer to see that extra 1/2 on their play when you cant and shouldnt get it?These are obvious examples of liars and cheats. Another red flag in my opinion is the ever growing list of star ratings, whenever you see massive * attached that guy is a liar and a scumbag. Lastly as baseball winds down this one is easy, the guys who promote win% w/out units won are scumbags.They hand out big chalk and promote 60% winners but you are a loser if you follow them. Wizard yesterday handed out CWS as a huge chalk..are you kidding me?For the baseball season these were the guys who at least played by the rules IMO..Computer Crush..Winners Inc..William Kidd..Dr.Baseball. Great thread by the way and i hope people contribute.

[sheetplayer]

Another red flag imo are the scums who have different names for all there plays..what a joke!! See Root..they tier their plays like this hoping that one of them is hot so they can promote the shit out of it. Scums scums and more scums.

[sheetplayer]

I was looking to see if there were any threads on therx for the members to talk about which cappers out there are scumbags who want to steal your money and which cappers can be trusted and are honest. I couldnt find anything really so I figure I'll post here in the Service Play area since this is where we all post these cappers picks day in and day out.

I will start the list and fellow members can add and state opinions

People we can trust:
Steve Budin
Eddie Roman
Karl Garrett (rarely posted here but solid in my opinion)
Trace Adams??
Brian King???

Scumbags we cant trust:
STU ****** NO DOUBT !!!!!
Sebastian sports??
Wayne Root
Frank Tapani
Bobby Esposito??
Brandon Lang (actually think hes somewat an honest guy, just a shitty capper)


hopefully a lot of people respond here and we can build a list of a strong group of cappers and look for who to avoid.
these guys that you say can be trusted are the exact types i see as scumbags....have you followed them for many years and can verify the wild claims they make...because if you can that would be great and useful or are you basing your list based on other posters reccomend's? thanks and great thread.

[Nickels And Dimes]

these guys that you say can be trusted are the exact types i see as scumbags....have you followed them for many years and can verify the wild claims they make...because if you can that would be great and useful or are you basing your list based on other posters reccomend's? thanks and great thread.


yea i can verify these guys for the last 12 months...i think everyone at therx can verify Budin lol hes the best in everyones opinion

[plato]

My favorite is ASA, but only for their 6 stars and up, and only in college football. They did lose their 6 star Saturday, but over the years they've been pretty consistent. (though anything can change quickly in this industry)

[Don't Count On It]

QUESTION? Why do you say not to trust Root? I know he has multiple catogorys for his plays but he does win. And isn't winning what this is all about? Thanks for your input and I think this thread can be very useful!

[sheetplayer]

QUESTION? Why do you say not to trust Root? I know he has multiple catogorys for his plays but he does win. And isn't winning what this is all about? Thanks for your input and I think this thread can be very useful!
just ask youself why they do it?

[cog4me]

just ask youself why they do it? I agree, to have multiple names for all your plays is just bs. Its basically a marketing scheme. Imo i think indiancowboy is pretty solid. I usually just play his pod. Another good one is Lvtr but we dont get them much on here. I think people were gettn caught posting their plays.

[jbragg10]

indian cowboy is the best.

over time, he makes you big money

[baccy]

On ATS.

I was a client many, many years ago for their "financial package" - the amount they claimed they won vs actual winners was diametrically opposed.

However, they have consistently hit many of their big games. Any game that is 5 units or more is worth playing - but never in a tease, parlay, and never change the bet based on units.

I don't have it in front of me but i would hazard they are around 58%-50% in Football - just bet the same $$$ each play - don't change your $$ amount on a unit ranking.

Other guy i would put up as somebody to follow is Vegas Runner.

The true bottom line, however, is picking one or two, and no more, cappers to follow and strictly following them. Jumping around from "hot" guy to "hot" guy is where the problems happen.

lets face it, we're excited as all hell to find a guy doing 58% let along 60%. The numbers will all come back to the norm eventually, so a guy on a winning streak is going to come back with a loosing streak eventually.

[baccy]

Edit - make that 58% - 60%, not 58% - 50%.

[Uncle Grunt]

John Rainey - "The Rainman". I have bought his plays before and he shoots it straight. Pretty consistent 60-65% range.

[krh7]

i concur with kelso sturgeon being trustworthy.

he's an overall believable guy, with decent info on his website.

he has ridiculous unit sizes (3-100). i only play his 10-100 unit plays, and really only play them as 1-3 units.

[Peterex]

Ill add Joe Wiz to the scamdipper list , he post results in his site that are not true and very poor customer service.

[I Got Issues]

in my opinion

Vegas Runner


Fat Jack

André Gomes

Ethan Law

can all be trusted and they can be verified

[JD11]

putting Aton on the trusted list is a joke. I have heard some very bad things about his service and him.:toast:

[knowthegame]

Vegas-Runner is as LEGIT as they come, and he has documented proof that he does WIN more than he loses. No bullshit with this guy.

[SiberianExpress]

how many here use maddux sports? i've followed them for a while and they seem pretty solid and very honest. does anyone want to share a package?

[kidsmissy]

Vegas Runners Football isn't to good.

[Haystacks]

John Rainey - "The Rainman". I have bought his plays before and he shoots it straight. Pretty consistent 60-65% range.

why did you stop buying it then ? did you get sick of winning all that money ?

:nohead:

[Denniz da Menace]

Fuck em all!..My all time favorite poster name= IDIOTSPAYFORPICK

[puggie]

has anyone used them?

I did....lost big on plays that were "place anything you can afford."

Went higher than I wanted...and paid for it.

[BetToWin33]

This is the real Stu ******.. biggest crook out there.. read the entire interview..

November 16, 2005

Stu ****** Interview
The Stool Goes One on One with The Source
Today the Stool had the privilege to go one on one with The Source: Stu ******. Many people will remember him from his ridiculous gambling show called the Sports Advisors, which was on in the early 90’s and is sure to appear someday on VH1’s year in review. The Sports Advisors was highlighted by Stu ****** having mini explosions every two minutes ranting and raving about how he was going to kick your bookmaker in the teeth and it was ABSOLUTLY 100% FREE. Also, Stu ****** was the basis for Al Pacino’s character in Two For the Money. So without further ado, here is our interview with The Source. (And yes this is a real interview!)


1. In the movie Two For The Money, the character Walter Abrams was based on you. How realistic would you say it was?

It wasn’t realistic at all. To be honest Al Pacino can’t hold my fu-cking jock. When’s the last time he made a good movie? The story is based on a guy Brandon Link who came to work for me in 1991. He was making 8 dollars an hour before he met me. I flew him down to NY and he set up all my 900 numbers and was a great handicapper. We’d go into the city and spend $20,000 a weekend. Brandon left me in 1995 after going on a losing streak. He moved to California and became a caddy at the Riveria and wrote the movie script based on his life. The only scenes from the movie that are true is when I go to the GA meeting and people recognize me and threaten to rip my head off for giving them losing picks. That and I bought Brandon Link a Porsche when he came to work for me with a license plate that said 900 king. Everything else is bull shit. And I thought it was a crappy movie.

2. What’s your favorite gambling movie of all time?

Let it Ride with Richard Dreyfuss.


3. How did you get into this business?

Here is the story. My dad was a huge Raiders fan and was the type of guy who’d beat me if the Raiders lost. So naturally I grew up a Raiders fan. I remember before the Raiders played Jaworski’s Eagles in the Superbowl I saw a guy by the name of Ed Horitwitz go on NBC and say he developed a computer program to pick winners. It was basically always taking home dogs. Anyway he came on and said the Eagles were going to crush the Raiders. I said this guys a fu-cking idiot and bet 600 bucks on the Raiders, which was like 6 billion back then for a kid in high school. Anyway, after Oakland freaking killed them I went to my dad and asked him for money to start my business. I said if this guy Ed Horitwitz can make money selling horrible picks, I can make money selling good picks


4. Here is the million dollar question. If you are as good as you claim to be with your picks why do you need to sell them?

This is the only way I can make money. When I bet on games I end up losing because I don’t have the discipline to stick to my system and my money management sucks. In fact I don’t bet at all because anytime I start betting I lose control. I bet on my favorite teams, games that are on TV, basically anything. I bet the board. Back in the early 80’s I was getting killed because I’d chase losses and bookies gave me credit and saw that I was an earner so they gave me unlimited credit. The result is that you chase losses and bet games you wouldn’t ordinarily bet. All gamblers are like this. I’ve never met a gambler who has made money. Everybody loses. Some people say they win but they’re lying. The best way for me to make a living was to quit cold turkey and only give away my cold calculated picks. And rooting for my picks is enough action anyway.


5. Why are you based in New York and not Vegas?

What’s the difference? I don’t bet games myself and if I wanted to I could do it online or through a bookie. It doesn’t matter where you are. Everything I need is right here.


6. What % of games should a pro handicapper hit?

You need to hit 60%. 6 out of every 10 games.


7. How has the internet affected your business?

It’s been huge. First of all online sports books are the best thing that’s ever happened to the gambling business. Everybody should need to have the money they want to bet in hand so they don’t lose their shirt. Bookies giving people credit is what ruins lives. People come crying to me about how they’ve lost their houses and their families. What do they want me to do? I tell them that they’re sick fu-cks and need a psychiatrist. But the bottom-line is this wouldn’t happen as much if people bet through off-shore sports books because they don’t give credit. That’s why people would be better off if the Government legalized gambling so you could walk up and place a bet in a convenience store.


8. Are there any sites you’d recommend?

Sportsbook.com advertises on my website. I’ve never heard anybody complain that they haven’t gotten paid.

9. How big is the sales aspect of your job? I’ve heard rumors that your guys are ruthless once they think they have a warm lead.

All of our customers have contacted us through our external marketing so it’s generally a pretty easy sale. People are looking for what we have.


10. How many guys do you have working for you?

I had about 250 guys in 1997. Now I have 18 handicappers, 10 writers and the rest is admin for a total of about 45 people. The internet is the reason we don’t have as many. Our score phones which were a big part of our business got 37 million calls in 1985. We’re down to 7 million this year because only old timers want to listen to 2 minutes of ads before getting the information when you can get it on the web.


11. I used to watch Sports Advisors as a kid. Do you stay in touch with the guys on the show, primarily Kevin Duffy and the Coach Ron Bash?

Duffy is my brother in law. He isn’t in the business anymore. He’s doing credit card processing. As far as the Coach I haven’t seen him in like 6 years. He’s heavy into the horses. A BIG horse guy.



12. Did Ron Bash really swim with the Dolphins to get a vibe on who would win Dolphins games?

Yeah, he flew out to the Bahamas one year. I think he went to the Atlantis and jumped in with the Dolphins. And since he lived in Miami and had a good beat on them he incorporated it into his routine. I think he used to go to the track with Wayne Heisinger too.


13. Do people still recognize you from the show?

All the time. I’ll walk down the street and people will ask me to scream at them. So I give them the old 100% FREE 100% FREE 100% FREE. It’s ABSOLUTLY A MORTAL LOCK and its 100% FREE! People eat it up.


14. Were you jealous of the Coach Ron Bash’s one to turn to gesture?

We used to bust his balls about that all the time but the thing about it is that it worked. Everybody remembered it and he gave good opinions.

15. What other handicappers do you respect the most?

Ah, good question. None. Everybody waits to see who I pick and then they follow me.


16. What’s your favorite sports book in Vegas and why?

Stardust is the line I use. That’s how I judge if I win or lose so I guess I’d have to say Stardust.

17. What is your opinion on exotic bets like teases and A+R’s?

They’re all sucker bets. The only way you can win is betting straight and still nobody wins. All gamblers are losers.

18. Do you have any betting strategies that you could recommend? For example should people always bet the same amount on every game?

My strategy is based all on going against public opinion. Anybody who says they have a proven handicapping strategy is bullshitting. There is no such thing. The only thing that works is going against the public.

19. Do you favor betting on any sports over others?

My favorite sport to bet is baseball. And I prefer the NFL over college football.


20. What’s the best part about the gambling business?

It’s the money I make. It’s a hard freaking business and I work hard but I enjoy the money.

21. What’s the worst part about it?

All gamblers are losers. So I deal with people who have lost their entire lives and want me to save them. But there’s nothing I can do.

[PayMeMyMoney7]

The first thing is when coming up with this list HYLMN are you looking for TRUSTWORTHY guys who do not jockey numbers or lie about their records. Are you looking for guys who post their wins as well as their loses? Are you looking for guys who tell you about one sport they do well in and not the others they stink at?

The Budins
The Langs
The Fieners
The Brian Kings

Each and every single one of these guys jockey numbers. Brandon Lang is the biggest number jockier ever. If he wins his play thats all you hear about and see on the site/video. Hell he still has a super bowl winner from last year up on the front page. If he loses his big play all you hear is the free pick winner he hit. If he actually does go on a winning streak thats all you hear for the next 2 weeks. Brian king and Stu ****** are the absolute worst! I would love to see those guys actual percentages. They lose a 5 dime play the next night its a 20 dime play they lose that. The next its a 50 dime play they lose that. The 4th night its a 100 dime play and they finally win. Anyone can hit 25%. I think ****** if you remember told you to bet the LA Lakers every game of the serious starting with 100 dimes and doubling every game. Game 6 he had like a 1,000 dime game and lost.

Now the best cappers? That is all in the eye of the beholder. There are guys who win out there and don't get alot of pub and press. There are so many trustworthy guys out there that post their picks. In fact, there are sites out there that moniotor one off the top of my head that I found through youtube is parlayhelp

If you go to parlayhelp.com he has a list of handicappers that he reviews on a daily basis. Now, some of them are frauds while others are great and 150% honest. Stay away from Bookie Basher and a few others. The list below are the cappers that stand out on his site and are smaller time guys but should get some pub.

Vegas Runner-We all know the track record, was a part of this site not sure anymore
PayenInsider.com-Very Consistent capper and one of the best money mangers. Always updates the site and records (Debating on Buying)
ParlayPetesports.com-Also Solid capper been in the game for a while.
BobbyClarkesports.com-Solid capper but plays too many games and goes outside of his bankroll at times but 200% Honest and is hot right now.

It all depends on what you are looking for, but I know the guys that are posted in the Service Plays section aren't the best in this industry but the most noted by the public.

[alwayslosing]

On ATS.

I was a client many, many years ago for their "financial package" - the amount they claimed they won vs actual winners was diametrically opposed.

However, they have consistently hit many of their big games. Any game that is 5 units or more is worth playing - but never in a tease, parlay, and never change the bet based on units.

I don't have it in front of me but i would hazard they are around 58%-50% in Football - just bet the same $$$ each play - don't change your $$ amount on a unit ranking.

Other guy i would put up as somebody to follow is Vegas Runner.

The true bottom line, however, is picking one or two, and no more, cappers to follow and strictly following them. Jumping around from "hot" guy to "hot" guy is where the problems happen.

lets face it, we're excited as all hell to find a guy doing 58% let along 60%. The numbers will all come back to the norm eventually, so a guy on a winning streak is going to come back with a loosing streak eventually.

The lock club is much better than the financial package

[RAAJR]

Great thread. Here are two I have bought plays from and would highly recomend.

Vegas Runner - He is strugling in CFB early this year but I wouldn't be surprised if he is on the winning side soon. He is up 70+ units in baseball :103631605and only uses 1*,2*,3* and an ocassional 4*.

RAS - Very honest and his customer service is great. He absolutely smokes college hoops totals.

[Hap]

Ditto on great thread.

I have played with Seabass for a year and a half. He's a decent handicapper at bases (not the playoffs) and CFB. Not too great in NBA or CBB, except has had two very good NCAA tourneys.

You do have to tolerate his own hype. Like many other cappers he's crows when he wins; when he loses he reminds you about his prior wins.

He also separated his plays about 6 months ago, so you have to buy his daily "steam" play under a separate package. That seemed to me to be somewhat slimey, but it is what it is.

[Trickum]

A buddy of mine bought, and shares with me, VR's college package. For the first 4 weeks at $100 per unit, he is down over $5600.

VR brags about how much he is winning, and he probably is on Baseball, but he's sure as hell losing my buddy's ass on college fb.

Trickum

[BostonBettor]

VR did make a profit in bases this past season. He had two horrible months (June and July) but was solid in April, May, August, and September. As previously stated, he is having a horrible year so far in college football, and is not much better in the NFL.

I think there are many honest cappers out there, it's just difficult finding one who wins on a consistent basis. Mike Rose is pretty good. Had a great year in bases, especially the last 3 months. Had done well in the NFL, not so well in college football so far.

I just got a mailing from one of my favorite scandicappers of all time. Jim Hurley. This guy is an absolute joke! I remember one time many years ago I tried him out for a week. I think he won one game the entire week. I was offered a free month but declined. I didn't know enough at the time to realize that he would have been worth following just for fade value.

People like Wayne Root only care about marketing. They want to suck you in for as much money as they can. They have high pressure salesman who will hound you to buy buy buy. He might be an okay handicapper, but he could care less if he wins or loses as long as he's got your money. I have a friend who called to get one of his free picks on a recorded message. Well unless your phone number is blocked they just pick off everyone who calls the number and the boiler room boys start calling your house. Anyone who runs that type of operation is not exactly honest.

[frankey]

for what reason can you say wayne root is a scum bag. i have been following him for two years and he has made me good money. please explain.

[blood sweat and beers]

what about jefferson sports been following all year and they seem the most consistent service in every sport! i have been following northcoast in football for the last 13 yrs some good ones and some bad ones but stay consistent playing them all the time.

[Slickwitdadick]

u gotta find what sports they specialize in i guess.

u can usually find a couple guys who are relly good at 1 sport but not the best if u look at their record for all sports

[sheetplayer]

u gotta find what sports they specialize in i guess.

u can usually find a couple guys who are relly good at 1 sport but not the best if u look at their record for all sportsNobody is solid in every sport....you are right ..find the right guy for the right sport. I also find that just playing the Top rated plays of the solid guys you follow is a strong approach. I know that all the guys from sportsmemo are very very good w/ their top rated hoops and football plays and only ER has anything positive in baseball.

[Barney44]

Bob Akmens is a down to eath guy who picks up his own phone and you can talk to him. Good picks and accountable as well.

[LongboardLarry]

I replied in yesterdays thread when Foorball Jesus poted BLT + 7 and said but up to 7 1/2..huge reg flag imo that guys like this are scum.They post lines to there plays that are not readily available to the marketplace just so thay can pad their stats.Whenever i see this i know they are scum because you know if Pitt scored a TD in OT last night they would be touting it as a win on their record but not a single customer would have cashed. Along these lines whenever i see someone post a line from Blowdog they are immediately named a scumbag. Everyone knows they shade their llines on Favs because of all the square action they get, which is fine, but nobody who play seriously uses them because they dont pay. So what good does it do the customer to see that extra 1/2 on their play when you cant and shouldnt get it?These are obvious examples of liars and cheats. Another red flag in my opinion is the ever growing list of star ratings, whenever you see massive * attached that guy is a liar and a scumbag. Lastly as baseball winds down this one is easy, the guys who promote win% w/out units won are scumbags.They hand out big chalk and promote 60% winners but you are a loser if you follow them. Wizard yesterday handed out CWS as a huge chalk..are you kidding me?For the baseball season these were the guys who at least played by the rules IMO..Computer Crush..Winners Inc..William Kidd..Dr.Baseball. Great thread by the way and i hope people contribute.

i understand what you mean , but all lines are local, there is no NATIONAL standard of point spreads. east coast touts put out what they bet, and vegas touts what they get,

VEGAS RUNNER buys half points, and gives them out, he bets in vegas, he also puts out teasers and run lines that SEVERAL books dont offer, including my local book, is that FAIR?

no one is scamming anyonen in this case , just reporting what THEY BET, i get crap lines on Chargers games, guys in texas get bad lines on cowboys games,

just like vegas runner, i look to what SIDE he is playing, as the line rarely comes into play i consider a SCAM, someone who takes money and doesnt give any picks, if you get picks whatever they are , the transaction is complete

[sheetplayer]

i understand what you mean , but all lines are local, there is no NATIONAL standard of point spreads. east coast touts put out what they bet, and vegas touts what they get,

VEGAS RUNNER buys half points, and gives them out, he bets in vegas, he also puts out teasers and run lines that SEVERAL books dont offer, including my local book, is that FAIR?

no one is scamming anyonen in this case , just reporting what THEY BET, i get crap lines on Chargers games, guys in texas get bad lines on cowboys games,

just like vegas runner, i look to what SIDE he is playing, as the line rarely comes into play i consider a SCAM, someone who takes money and doesnt give any picks, if you get picks whatever they are , the transaction is complete
You cant be more wrong here brother.If you are a serious capper and people are paying you for your analysis, you owe it to them to put up numbers that are readily available at the time you release your play.There is a gold standard of offshore shops and those are the lines that should be used. Listing the one offshore shop that has a favorable number is a sure sign he is a SCUMBAG!! You really think this guy has his money at Bodog or some other lowely rated site?No way...its purely to help HIMSELF not his customers. Who the fuck cares what number he himself can get, which is BS by the way, he is seliing his analysis to the PUBLIC and if he needs to shade his numbers by listing bad lines , that should tell you all you need to know. Listen, this has to be the most disgusting group of human beings on the planet. They will lie and decieve to get your money and its up to us to identify the very few who are legit, thats why this is a great thread. Hanging up isolated numbers on games is an absolute RED FLAG that they cant be trusted. BOL

[sheetplayer]

what about jefferson sports been following all year and they seem the most consistent service in every sport! i have been following northcoast in football for the last 13 yrs some good ones and some bad ones but stay consistent playing them all the time.
He jsut put up UAB at +4!!! this line is rock solid at+3 EVERYWHERE and he pit up 4...another scumbag

[Uncle Grunt]

why did you stop buying it then ? did you get sick of winning all that money ?

:nohead:

Good point. The reason is because I found this site and decided not to drop the grand for his season in football. Thought I would give it a shot on my own. Same reason most of us move away from the touts. I used him for four seasons.

[sheetplayer]

He jsut put up UAB at +4!!! this line is rock solid at+3 EVERYWHERE and he pit up 4...another scumbagi posted a retraction in the other thread..as it does say early release, so maybe he put it out a few days ago...if he put it out today, i stand by the comment

[PayMeMyMoney7]

I already posted above about how I feel on this topic and some guys to check out and some to fade.

Again, everyone has their own guys they like and it is all in the eyes of the beholder. If you like guys calling you and hounding you there are those types of services. If you like your picks emailed and not a lot of contact there are those kinds of services.

After looking around last night I actually stopped debating like I have been for the last 3 weeks and went ahead and purchased PayneInsider.com for a week to test the waters. I will be providing his picks and hopefully we have an honest solid capper to try out. All the lines seem to be dead on and not made up. I've been keeping an eye on him and his money management seems to be great so hopefully we can cash in. He is also on a great run I think something like 19-8 his last 27 MLB releases and 6-2 the last two weeks in college and 3-1 last week in the NFL. I called the site and spoke to a guy by the name of David over the phone real nice guy they seem legit so we will see. Hopefully we can add these guys to the "GOOD LIST" and not the "SCUMBAGS" of the sports betting community.

This week they are 1-1 (FAU ML +130/Boise St. -14 1st Half)

[Furmanski]

Here is the definitive list.....:aktion033

These are the consistent "good" services.....


THERE IS A NEWSLETTER BY THE GOLDSHEET CALLED CONFIDENTIAL KICKOFF ( AND CONFIDENTIAL TIP OFF FOR HOOPS)

THIS IS A $10 WEEKLY NEWSLETTER AND THESE GUYS SPEND $100 A DAY ON THESE OTHER SCAMDICAPPERS




all around:

sebastion
brandon lovell
LVTR


GOOD IN COLLEGE HOOPS:

SPECIAL K
ALEX SMART
ROBERT FARRINGO
INDIAN COWBOY
SCOTT SPRIETZER
JEFFERSON ON SPORTS



PRO HOOPS:

ROCKETMAN
BILLY COLEMAN
JB
INDIAN COWBOY
MIKE LINEBACK - ESPECIALLY 4 1/2 AND 5 * RATED PLAYS



NHL:

BEN BURNS
BLUE LINE GROUP
JEFFERSON ON SPORTS


NFL:


TEDDY COVERS

TOBY SCOTT - Hard to get though

HSW

THE NET

GD WEST



COLLEGE FOOTBALL

WAYNE ROOT - BELIEVE IT OR NOT

PURE LOCK

PSYCIC SPORTS

SPYLOCK



THEY GUYS SUCK AND YOU CAN MAKE A LOT OF CASH FADING THEM:

JOE WIZ

MIGHTY QUINN

CHARLIE SPORTS

Insider Sports Report

BRANDON LANG

[steelerman]

Wunderdog
Yankee Capper
YWN Crew (most of them)

I hate the touts that hype their stuff when they win but usually are losers. Lang and Big Al come to mind....

Someone from "Big Al's office" actually called me last Sunday trying to sell me the afternoon plays and make me a lot of money. I have Big Al at 2-7 in NFL this year!

[bbrett3]

Great Thread. I hope people keep giving there opinions on this matter. Thanks.

[JIMINMADISON]

I Have done well with Marc lawerence in the past ....

[birdieboy1]

Bob Balfe--very solid

[brewfan]

A very good site that is NEVER on the service plays is Offshoreinsiders. They have 3 separate cappers, but the best one is Stevie Vincent, but he is expensive @ $40 a day. Anyone looking to buy plays should @ least check this out!

[iamian]

how many here use maddux sports? i've followed them for a while and they seem pretty solid and very honest. does anyone want to share a package?

I use maddux sports. Send me email

[Boxer22]

The only handicapper that I know of that shows every play he ever made is BobbyClarkeSports In my opinion every handicapper should have to do this, and if they were all as good as they claim they would do it. I think its very appealing how he shows his week by week results, monthly results, and like I previously mentioned how he shows every play since day one of his website.

[sheetplayer]

The only handicapper that I know of that shows every play he ever made is BobbyClarkeSports In my opinion every handicapper should have to do this, and if they were all as good as they claim they would do it. I think its very appealing how he shows his week by week results, monthly results, and like I previously mentioned how he shows every play since day one of his website.Overall in CFB/NFL=50-31..61%

[Peterex]

A very good site that is NEVER on the service plays is Offshoreinsiders. They have 3 separate cappers, but the best one is Stevie Vincent, but he is expensive @ $40 a day. Anyone looking to buy plays should @ least check this out!


They dont show their record.

I dont understand if a capper is good why they dont show it ????? :ohno:

[Boxer22]

They dont show their record.

I dont understand if a capper is good why they dont show it ????? :ohno:

I couldn't agree more with you.

[RAAJR]

They dont show their record.

I dont understand if a capper is good why they dont show it ????? :ohno:

I couldn't agree more. The ones who don't show their record are hiding something for a reason.:wink:

[I Got Issues]

I couldn't agree more with you.

There are many service tracking sites. I like trackpicks

[Slickwitdadick]

we have all done well with certain sites and at the same time some have done horribly with that same site.

it all depend when you joined and started using them.

i have notice many touts are very streaky.

that is why i prefer sites that posts records/plays on their site.

a site i liked to use when i used to purchase plays posted ALL of their plays on their website. it goes back like 3-4 years. thats how u know they are real cappers and despite the record they are honest. NO BS. just winners.

u dont have to worry how they will spin this loss and in a few weeks it disapears. a lot of sites do that. its BS

[Boxer22]

we have all done well with certain sites and at the same time some have done horribly with that same site.

it all depend when you joined and started using them.

i have notice many touts are very streaky.

that is why i prefer sites that posts records/plays on their site.

a site i liked to use when i used to purchase plays posted ALL of their plays on their website. it goes back like 3-4 years. thats how u know they are real cappers and despite the record they are honest. NO BS. just winners.

u dont have to worry how they will spin this loss and in a few weeks it disapears. a lot of sites do that. its BS

Thats how every site should be.

[SiberianExpress]

I use maddux sports. Send me email

hey, bro. i guess your email got edited out so just pm me or set up your options on here to be able to receive pm's so i can pm you. thanks

[debbiek]

DSBSPORTS.com (AKA Barbs40) - This guy is a total scammer.

Paid close to $300 for his monthly picks last month. He guarantees a profit on his website and will return you money if he isn't profitable. He did below 50% for the month and when asked to refund money, you got it...didn't honor this. He was the worst!

[Doug]

Do Sebastian's plays ever get posted here ?

I know that guy charges a ton for his picks.

[LLXC13]

Do Sebastian's plays ever get posted here ?

I know that guy charges a ton for his picks.

Yes, under Sebastian Sports or Seabass.

[Doug]

I didn't find anything recent searching those names. I know he gives a free play most days. Do his pay picks ever get posted ?

[LLXC13]

Doug, you're not trying hard enough :P

Posted by CPW

Seabass

300 florida -24
200 Missouri -10
200 Ga. Tech
200 South Carolina
100 North Carolina
50 Washington
50 Tex Elpaso
50 Kentucky
10 Cubs
10 Philly/Milwaukee over

He's been doing well today so he just posted another 100* on his site hoping to get more buyers, heh...not sure if that will be posted in time.

[Doug]

Beats me, nothing current comes up searching Seabass, and there is no poster registered as CPW. Does CPW stand for something ? That thread is too long to read.

[Doug]

I figured out CPW= can'tpickawinner, but Seabass searches don't work, and I'd have never guessed Seabass= Sebastian sports.

[Doug]

I'll never get how you can have 10 "unit" plays and 300 "unit" plays.


more like .1 unit and 3 unit plays, before the inflation ! :missingte


The cocksucker Subby did do well today. I know this guy a bit, he's a local radio guy, I've met him, and talked to him on the air. He's an arrogant Prick.

[chase88]

Ive posted Jeffersonsports for 6 months now and I got to say, theyve been very consistent. 59% in coll hoops, 58% in NBA,
killed football last year and is currently on a 19-8 run in football. Won in baseball (up 37 units) and 57% in NHL. Been very good and consistent. I got torched by the "usual suspects" so i am bitter to a lot of cappers. some of the covers crew is good but streaky. dr bob seems to be good in coll football. just gotta roll with consistency.

[Silkwood]

EZWINNERS is as honest as they come and over the long haul will make you money. He has had a subpar year by his previous standards, but still very good at all sports. He has a text message list that he sends the plays out to daily. You can call EZ on his cell phone and he will shoot the shit with you. Very cool dude.

[Don't Count On It]

I know everyone has there guy and will stick w/them as long as the $ rolls in. However, i follow Big Al and Root. It seems they go on streaks and win. My question to everyone is how do you guys bet? If a capper has 5-7 plays all rated different do you guys bet all plays hoping to make it say a 5-2 day? thanks for the info!

[LLXC13]

You want to look into how well they do based on their ratings. Some cappers suck with their big plays, with them hitting just as much as their smaller plays do...

[chase88]

The original poster of JEFFERSONSPORTS is on another forum and he has posted his plays for 1 year exactly. He started on October 6th of last year and posted their plays for a year. He tracked the plays and updated his records daily. These were the records.
nba 58% (153-112)
ncaa hoops 58% (161-119)
mlb +37.92 units (playing 1 unit on every game, 100.00 per game) +3792
ncaa foots 71% (27-11) bowl games (10-4) 71%
nhl 58% (51-37)
nfl 63% (37-22)
cfl 100% (3-0-1)
He is currently on a 20-8 run in football this year. Like I said, this comes from a very repectable poster on another forum so I trust it.

[sheetplayer]

In reviewing the National Sports Monitor, 3G-Sports has a sensational record across all sports for multipple seasons...very impressive. Ive never heard of the national sports monitor though

[99steak]

Toutbuster is the modern day trustable capper. Monitored results and his method of betting is simply based on following/fading certain touts. I like any services that honestly let clients access all their plays from the past in archives be it winning or losing picks.

[iamian]

Hi there,
I am just wondering what is going on with Ben Burns.
If you look at records on Who2Beton - he is 10-18 this NFL season
and last 11 games 1-10. He must be working for the books.

Jan

[iamian]

I have been searching the net for good NBA picks and found Andre Gomes website. Andre has sent me his results of last NBA season.
Really interesting is the result of his „double unit“ plays, which is 65,3 %
( 32-16-1) for regular season and 78,5 % ( 11-3) for playoffs.I am going to buy his picks for next NBA season and follow only his „double unit“ plays.

Jan
:pope:

[99steak]

Most people look for and fall for 60% Cappers. I highly doubt that ther is any capper who can maintain 60% in his betting career. Sure he might hav hit it half a season or one season but overall any pro capper will not hit 60%

The non trusty worthy people are the crazy marketing services such as stu ******, wayne root, lang...and the list goes on for ever. WIth those services you will never see their full history of picks because they only talk about winning and their very rare two or 3 game winning streaks. These guys dont bet on their picks, they simply sell their losing picks to unsuspecting clients.

The real good pro cappers dont do crazy marketing campaigns, because they are already doing well betting their picks. These cappers have realistic 54 to 55% hit rate with a very good moneymangement and discipline and are consistently profitable in the long run. However, most people look past these cappers and fall for the crazy untrustworthy markets. You highly likely to profit from low key cappers who show their track record in their site. Toutbuster.com comes to my mind as one of the few from my mind. This guy puts everything on the plate and in his introduction page admiting that he started as a losing capper and now is doing very well with his new method of fading/following touts.

[RAAJR]

Most people look for and fall for 60% Cappers. I highly doubt that ther is any capper who can maintain 60% in his betting career. Sure he might hav hit it half a season or one season but overall any pro capper will not hit 60%

The non trusty worthy people are the crazy marketing services such as stu ******, wayne root, lang...and the list goes on for ever. WIth those services you will never see their full history of picks because they only talk about winning and their very rare two or 3 game winning streaks. These guys dont bet on their picks, they simply sell their losing picks to unsuspecting clients.

The real good pro cappers dont do crazy marketing campaigns, because they are already doing well betting their picks. These cappers have realistic 54 to 55% hit rate with a very good moneymangement and discipline and are consistently profitable in the long run. However, most people look past these cappers and fall for the crazy untrustworthy markets. You highly likely to profit from low key cappers who show their track record in their site. Toutbuster.com comes to my mind as one of the few from my mind. This guy puts everything on the plate and in his introduction page admiting that he started as a losing capper and now is doing very well with his new method of fading/following touts.

Toutbuster is to expensive for me. You can find cheaper services that hit the same winning percentage.

[I Got Issues]

Toutbuster is to expensive for me. You can find cheaper services that hit the same winning percentage.

TheFatJack and @ntonWins. Both are at the top with trackpicks.com and both have a great reputation. I have been following and posting both in the service tread. Jack is a better service for players who like to play many games while @nton only plays one game per day and is fairly chhep at $15. Last year FatJack hit just over 60% in football while AW only hit 48% this year in baseball but made a sick proffit of 50 something units because he only bet on dogs. Just goes to show that winning % has nothing to do with making money in baseball

[I Got Issues]

I have been searching the net for good NBA picks and found Andre Gomes website. Andre has sent me his results of last NBA season.
Really interesting is the result of his „double unit“ plays, which is 65,3 %
( 32-16-1) for regular season and 78,5 % ( 11-3) for playoffs.I am going to buy his picks for next NBA season and follow only his „double unit“ plays.

Jan
:pope:


I agree 1000% :103631605

[RAAJR]

TheFatJack and @ntonWins. Both are at the top with trackpicks.com and both have a great reputation. I have been following and posting both in the service tread. Jack is a better service for players who like to play many games while @nton only plays one game per day and is fairly chhep at $15. Last year FatJack hit just over 60% in football while AW only hit 48% this year in baseball but made a sick proffit of 50 something units because he only bet on dogs. Just goes to show that winning % has nothing to do with making money in baseball

Thanks, I will have to give them a try. :103631605

[cut-paste-hero]

TheFatJack and @ntonWins. Both are at the top with trackpicks.com and both have a great reputation. I have been following and posting both in the service tread. Jack is a better service for players who like to play many games while @nton only plays one game per day and is fairly chhep at $15. Last year FatJack hit just over 60% in football while AW only hit 48% this year in baseball but made a sick proffit of 50 something units because he only bet on dogs. Just goes to show that winning % has nothing to do with making money in baseball

I don't know about fat jack, but I do know about @nton.

He ghosts here. He even tried posting as a women to draw more attention to himself. He has an absolute terrible reputation, and is banned here on several names for scamming people. Other than that, he is probably ok. :think2:

[Don't Count On It]

I don't know about fat jack, but I do know about @nton.

He ghosts here. He even tried posting as a women to draw more attention to himself. He has an absolute terrible reputation, and is banned here on several names for scamming people. Other than that, he is probably ok. :think2:

I don't know about following someone who has been kicked out of this forum. That is just fishy, I suggest following some more reliable sources!:think2:

[I Got Issues]

I don't know about following someone who has been kicked out of this forum. That is just fishy, I suggest following some more reliable sources!:think2:

I was not aware of the history here. I have been using the service on and off for about a year and I have had no issues. But thanks for the heads up. :toast:

[LLXC13]

I don't think it disqualifies their capping abilities...but they are definitely out trying to get more money by touting themselves on forums.

[sheetplayer]

I don't think it disqualifies their capping abilities...but they are definitely out trying to get more money by touting themselves on forums.
those who lie about little things cant be trusted w/ big things...like my money..scum

[Peterex]

1)Anyone knows Al Demarco ??
Is he good ?? Whats sports is he best at ??

2) Does anyone knows the site for Uncle Caesar ???

Thx and GL !!

[Randizzle14]

How about all of you save your money and just click on my thread once a week...lol...jk.

On a serious note, I noticed this thread and read alot of you alls responses. I personally have never bought a service, (not bragging) but from what I have read, I am much more profitable than any of these guys. 3 year track record (Documented in all sports) at 59.8%.

Anyway, just found this interesting and thought I would throw my .02 in.

GL

[BetToWin33]

1)Anyone knows Al Demarco ??
Is he good ?? Whats sports is he best at ??

2) Does anyone knows the site for Uncle Caesar ???

Thx and GL !!

Uncle Caesar is a sharp that Barney44 knows. He doesnt have a site.:toast:

[I Got Issues]

I don't think it disqualifies their capping abilities...but they are definitely out trying to get more money by touting themselves on forums.

The bottom line for me, is if the plays from a service makes me money or not. All the drama on the forums is just white noise. Now with that said I fully agree that if someone lies with something that is little, they most likely will lie with something big.

[RobbieGould]

is Seabass......tenacious capper......

[agentjmw]

Wayne Root is an assclown. I used to watch him on TV for comedic value years ago. All those monkeys screaming why they have a lead pipe lock. In my opinion anyone that follows someone like that deserves to be separated from their money.
Worst is a real doozy. He is a local here. Im not going to name him to give him free advertising, but he calls his picks "flaming arrows". I got his service one time. Played one heavy and at half called him back to ask him about the front looking bad should I lay off at the half. The MF was at the public pool with his kids during the half on NFL Sunday during the early games. He had no idea of what the halftime score was, he asked me what it was. Said, "Im not sure what you should do"
How do you make a living giving other people tips and not even watch the games or keep up with the scores.
Kelso Sturgeon seems solid and Ive done well this year. Also made a fortune on betting against Chi Bears to win less than 10.5 games last year on his recommendation.
My go to is JG and PPP, in NFL. 6-0-1 in NFL last weekend.

Of course this is a weird year. A lot of books here getting sodomized. Had to add one with a more national base due to line movement on local games. 2 weeks ago one had Alabama +4 at GA, and the new one had it at Bama +6- .

[jordan17]

shhhhhh...I have a little pick & pop system...I follow a few good guys and figure who is on my list! (hot & cold)

but I cant just give that info out...made me over 65 units since football season started! :party:
ps cashing out tomarrow :lol: