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M.Saracen

10-25-2009, 06:01 PM

(Preemptive note from Rx Mod Barman, written after the first 55 posts were put up in this thread.

With the permission of the thread starter, I've modified the Title.

MSaracen has never played in an NFL Fantasy league before this one and thus was admittedly foolish to have thought the terms proposed by PO69 would be a fair turn of events if carried out in full.

Regardless, the initial introduction of an unethical and extremely shady trade tactic was put forth by PO69 when he first broached the trade with Saracen.

As you'll see upon review of the thread below (up through post #55) - when first publicly confronted, PO initially denies even making such a proposal. And then when the actual text of the trade offer is Pasted from the league trade page into this thread, he then tells us he was "joking".

Saracen has already fallen victim and accepts responsibility for his own part and the subsequent consequences to his team.

Unfortunately, if the league commish was to wield a very justified hammer and boot both PO and Saracen's teams from the league, it would unduly affect the balance of results in the remaining six weeks of regular season fantasy league play.

Thus this thread will simply have to serve as a notice to anyone considering fantasy league interaction with PO that you are on your own and at this point there's likely little that can be done if he attempts to replicate this or any other scam with another league manager during the remaining qualifying weeks.

The thread as originally posted by all concerned begins following the double red line below)

--bar

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To the fantasy league manager of "The Dallas Cowboys":

Whoever the hell you are, you should be embarrassed for going back on your word and lying.

A few weeks ago you requested that I trade you Dallas Clark in exchange for Todd Heap just for that one week. You then said you would trade him right back to me after that week.

Being a nice guy, I agreed. But now you still haven't given him back to me even though I know you've seen the trade proposal.

Anyway, you deserve to get called out. Maybe I deserve to have lost the best TE in the league for being a nice guy/sucker, but you should be embarrassed. Cheating/lying/deceiving somebody in order to help your chances at a free fantasy football league is pathetic.

Hache Man

10-25-2009, 06:06 PM

Going to move this to fantasy section in about 5 minutes.

But, to be honest, and not to sound like a jerk, I'm not so sure it sounds like what you guys had planned is fair, and probably wouldn't have been approved by the commmissioners anyhow when you attempted to trade back the players you had just traded to each other.

I'm sure most here wil agree......

M.Saracen

10-25-2009, 06:11 PM

Hache Man

10-25-2009, 06:14 PM

Who were the players involved in the trade M. S?

M.Saracen

10-25-2009, 06:19 PM

He gave me Roy Williams (injured) and Todd Heap, I gave him Dallas Clark. I attempted to trade them both right back the next week but he hasn't responded for several weeks now.

Just thnk it's really shady and felt the need to call him out as I'm in the middle of a heated battle with wilheim and wishing I had Dallas Clark's TD earlier today...

Hache Man

10-25-2009, 06:19 PM

Wow, can't believe you traded Clark away who was the hottest TE at the time.

All we can do is see if he chimes in.....

M.Saracen

10-25-2009, 06:22 PM

Like I said, I thought it was just a one-week thing. Considering this league didn't cost me anything to get into, I thought I'd be a nice guy. He said he really needed him so I obliged.

FairWarning

10-25-2009, 07:03 PM

Personally, I block the move. Total bs move.

wiskers1

10-25-2009, 07:17 PM

its good to be nice but that shouldn't of been allowed or done by you. either way as it affected 9 other people in the league including you

barman

10-25-2009, 07:44 PM

Hey, it was never my idea, he came to me and said "Can I borrow him for just one week?" and I didn't care and said yes. It's not like I was getting any advantage at all out of all this.

I'm 95% sure it's PO69 that did this so I shouldn't be at all surprised he felt the need to cheat. Guy is a fucking scam artist.

Just sucks for me that being a nice guy caused me to lose the best TE in the league.

1) Such deals are certainly not in good spirit and thus we should not be shocked at who initiated the notion. (PO69)

2) Your likely sincere intent to be a cooperative manager has indeed resulted in you being shot in the foot.

3) Everyone and anyone who is a regular contributor to the Rx and/or participant in Rx-sponsored contests should file this away as just another example of what happens when a certain guy rolls up to you in the casino hallway and asks you to buy his Elvis chips for cash so he can enter the poker tournament.

4) Just be thankful you're not one of his pet dogs prior to the big hurricane coming through.

THE POSTMAN!

10-25-2009, 07:46 PM

I didn't know this kind of stuff was going on... I'm so naive

Jake T.

10-25-2009, 07:55 PM

That team is owned by PO69. FYI.

PO69

10-25-2009, 07:57 PM

I still dont see any proposed trade on my page anyway?

I am pretty sure that Roy Williams was not injured when I traded him though. You can ask Wilheim that I didnt want to do another trade that would seem unjust earlier this week.

I would not have traded an injured WR. It would not have been approved

PO69

10-25-2009, 08:01 PM

But I will tell you what, you can have him back if that is fair.

Send another trade proposal then. I wont even be using Roy Williams most likely, but if you think that it was bad since he got injured after the trade, then OK

PO69

10-25-2009, 08:37 PM

Before our trade, you were not even using Dallas Clark! He sat on your bench every week since you had Whitton! I was using Roy Williams, but I picked up Patrick Crayton to take Williams slot.

And Williams was NOT INJURED before our trade went through

barman

10-25-2009, 09:00 PM

The fact you asked to have Clark for just one week with a commitment to trade him right back is odious.

Please spare yourself further embarrassment by trying to paint this pig

PO69

10-25-2009, 09:04 PM

I do not remember any sort of committment to be honest. And I still have yet to see the trade offered back to me.

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Absolutely no need to derail this Topic with your personal slurs - Stay on topic or bow out

--bar

cut across shorty

10-25-2009, 09:06 PM

This is an absolute joke and I think there should be some kind of penalty applied to those involved.

I'll also call out the owner of the Dallas Cowboys (PO69) for recently offering me a trade that was an insult to anyone's intelligence. Based on the trade that I was offered (and soundly rejected), there's little doubt in my mind that he initiated this deal as described and is treating the other party like a sucker. It's still hard to believe someone would agree to such an arrangement. It's also completely unfair to the other 8 teams in the conference.

barman

10-25-2009, 09:10 PM

I do not remember any sort of committment to be honest.

So I guess then you're declaring Saracen to be lying about the arrangement he cited?

SuperChuck

10-25-2009, 09:11 PM

Both guys should be banned or locked from the league. That is bush league by both parties involved

PO69

10-25-2009, 09:13 PM

PO69

10-25-2009, 09:17 PM

So I guess then you're declaring Saracen to be lying about the arrangement he cited?

I dont know anything about an arrangement. I didnt even know that this was his team. I have never received a PM from him or any sort of message before today.

He probably isnt lying, maybe just thinking about something else. But we never agreed to do anything. I just needed a TE and he had 2 of them. He wasnt even using Clark so the trade could have only helped him

PO69

10-25-2009, 09:24 PM

Barman, you could have left all of my comments! You say 10x worse to me! That was one of my best comments of the YEAR too! I might have to use it again in the future.

But anyway, I am not trying to go anything wrong in the league. You can even ask Wilheim or Hacheman about a trade last week. I was worried about accepting a trade since it would seem unfair to others in the league!

But I didnt need 3 pretty damn good QB's so I traded one of them!

BigPIG19

10-25-2009, 09:26 PM

as an unbiased onlooker, i believe po69

barman

10-25-2009, 09:30 PM

He probably isnt lying, maybe just thinking about something else.

:think2:

cut across shorty

10-25-2009, 09:33 PM

CutACROSS, I sent out around 30 trade offers in the past 2 weeks. No one else complained!

I offered to give you JAY CUTLER just for the JETS defense! I even included Carolina defense so that I would have room on my team.

You were NEVER going to play the Jets defense anyway over Philly I dont think and you need a QB next week for Brady's off week. All you said was that the trade didnt help you this week.

First of all, I never complained. However, I was left thinking that you must be fishing for a sucker.

Secondly, you did not offer Jay Cutler (who I don't need as I already have Matt Ryan). You offered a wide receiver that I have no use for (I'm stacked at receiver) and the Carolina defense that I have ABSOLUTELY no use for.

Third, when I rejected the trade, I never wrote what you claim. I wrote something like "I'm not interested in any trade that doesn't upgrade my running backs. In addition, what's being offered is garbage."

barman

10-25-2009, 09:35 PM

Secondly, you did not offer Jay Cutler (who I don't need as I already have Matt Ryan). You offered a wide receiver that I have no use for (I'm stacked at receiver) and the Carolina defense that I have ABSOLUTELY no use for.

Third, when I rejected the trade, I never wrote what you claim. I wrote something like "I'm not interested in any trade that doesn't upgrade my running backs. In addition, what's being offered is garbage."

:smoker2:

cut across shorty

10-25-2009, 09:44 PM

If you go to "Transactions" and select "Week #4", scroll down to Dallas Cowboys. The trade in question is there along with the participants comments...

Traded Todd Heap TE, BAL
Roy Williams WR, DAL
Packing Heat Dallas Clark TE, IND
Fri., Oct 2 2009 2:16 p
My best option at TE has a bye week. Hell, I will trade this player back next week if you want him back real bad. But I have to play Wilheim this week and will get killed if I cant have alot of points at every position.
Resolution Comment: I'm gonna hold you to that "trading him back" bit. Good luck vs. Wilheim.

PO69

10-25-2009, 09:45 PM

First of all, I never complained. However, I was left thinking that you must be fishing for a sucker.

Secondly, you did not offer Jay Cutler (who I don't need as I already have Matt Ryan). You offered a wide receiver that I have no use for (I'm stacked at receiver) and the Carolina defense that I have ABSOLUTELY no use for.

Third, when I rejected the trade, I never wrote what you claim. I wrote something like "I'm not interested in any trade that doesn't upgrade my running backs. In addition, what's being offered is garbage."

Oh, well I never read what your response was. But it certainly wasnt that bad of a trade. I mean it was for the NEW YORK JETS defense! And they were SHIT until this week. I wanted them for his week since I had Denver defense on the bye week and you were not going to use te Jets anyway.

But notice that I didnt offer another trade after that. When I got rid of one of Qb's, I was done trading pretty much

cut across shorty

10-25-2009, 09:53 PM

Oh, well I never read what your response was. But it certainly wasnt that bad of a trade. I mean it was for the NEW YORK JETS defense! And they were SHIT until this week. I wanted them for his week since I had Denver defense on the bye week and you were not going to use te Jets anyway.

But notice that I didnt offer another trade after that. When I got rid of one of Qb's, I was done trading pretty much

Lest there be any confusion, the offer was

D. Mason (WR)
Carolina (D/ST)

for

NY Jets (D/ST)

It was a terrible trade offer. The Jets D is an upper echelon defense. I would never rule out not playing them. Add in the fact that you were playing me this week, I'm not going to hand you something (for nothing) so that you can beat me.

It's also suspect that in one post you attempt to repeat (inaccurately) what my response was and then in another you write that you never read my response.

BigPIG19

10-25-2009, 09:55 PM

as an unbiased onlooker, i'm retarted

The Funk Monkey

10-25-2009, 10:03 PM

Both players should be penalized. Since when can you "borrow" fantasy players?

You know, the Angels should have borrowed Tim Lincecum for Game 6 tonight.

barman

10-25-2009, 10:04 PM

soonerdawg

10-25-2009, 10:05 PM

PO69

10-25-2009, 10:10 PM

Well I didnt remember saying anything, but where did we reach an agreement? I jokingly mentioned the trade back. I knew that you couldnt trade someone just for one week!

And of course Roy Williams got injured the NEXT week. Why did I never receive a trade offer from him until now though?

barman

10-25-2009, 10:10 PM

Oh, well

The two words that most often conclude a PO69 caper after the light has been shone brightly upon him.

^<<^

soonerdawg

10-25-2009, 10:11 PM

if i was wil i'd be pissed.....what was the outcome of that matchup?

barman

10-25-2009, 10:12 PM

The caper becomes even more dark when we read that this was all initiated solely to "beat Wilheim", our most humble Head Moderator here at the Rx who is one of principal drivers in making a free-entry/cash award fantasy league like this possible in the first place

barman

10-25-2009, 10:12 PM

as an unbiased onlooker, i'm retarded

PO69 the defense attorney often sounds good during opening arguments.

But then the prosecution is permitted to introduce actual evidence and it's pretty much downhill from there.

bucsfan67

10-25-2009, 10:14 PM

I didn't know this kind of stuff was going on... I'm so naive

cartainly takes the "fun" out of a "fun" FREE league, if players are doing stuff like this....trading players for a week or 2, just so they can beat someone, then taking them back, etc....thats bogus....

PO69

10-25-2009, 10:17 PM

If I was really doing it just for one week, then I would not have traded away one of my best receivers in Roy Williams. He got injured AFTER the trade

bucsfan67

10-25-2009, 10:17 PM

Both players should be penalized. Since when can you "borrow" fantasy players?

You know, the Angels should have borrowed Tim Lincecum for Game 6 tonight.

:laugh:

soonerdawg

10-25-2009, 10:19 PM

If I was really doing it just for one week, then I would not have traded away one of my best receivers in Roy Williams. He got injured AFTER the trade

so then you lied to the person you proposed the trade to, which makes him a sucker and you a scumbag tout

PO69

10-25-2009, 10:22 PM

I didnt even remember that, but where did I guarantee that we could trade him bacK? That was a joke!

I think that it sayd HELL IF YOU REALLY WANT HIM BACK THEN YOU CAN HAVE HIM BACK!

I have never seen his response until now though. i just saw that the trade was completed.

Cant you see the joke there? I mean he didnt need Dallas Clark at that time it appeared anyway

barman

10-25-2009, 10:30 PM

If I was really doing it just for one week, then I would not have blah, blah, blah blah

Come on brother...stop.

Just stop

The copy of your trade offer was already posted above.

Best now to just put on the dark shades and ballcap and see if you can lose yourself in the crowd before any more cameras show up.

soonerdawg

10-25-2009, 10:33 PM

PO69

10-25-2009, 10:33 PM

Why does joeybagoshit hate you so much barman?

barman

10-25-2009, 10:35 PM

PO keeps shoveling away: I have never seen his response until now though. i just saw that the trade was completed.

Bar: You just saw the trade was completed? But you've been using D Clark for the past four weeks?

Do you even think before you type?

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PO: Cant you see the joke there?

Bar: Uh yeah....I think that we can all see who The Joke is here

I'm going to check with Samhain and see about retitling this thread, after which I will STICK it to the top of the Betjam FFB Contest Index so that other managers don't let this get past them.

cut across shorty

10-25-2009, 10:37 PM

Cant you see the joke there? I mean he didnt need Dallas Clark at that time it appeared anyway

I kinda wondered how someone had both Jason Whitten and Dallas Clark on their roster. I went back and looked at the draft and they were both drafted by "Packing Heat". Anyway, you can never have enough good players and a minor part of Fantasy strategy is to keep your good bench players so that other teams can't get them. If you do trade them, you only do it for value. It seems to me that you expect others to just hand you their bench players.

PO69

10-25-2009, 10:39 PM

I won't delete any more, but if you keep posting off topic insults, I'll move you back to PR where you're far less trouble to all concerned.

Breathe deep, brother and think before you type.

--bar

soonerdawg

10-25-2009, 10:41 PM

why does joeybagofshit hate so much?

if i was a bag of shit i'd hate too

cut across shorty

10-25-2009, 10:56 PM

if i was wil i'd be pissed.....what was the outcome of that matchup?

I looked it up:

Wk4

Wilheim 113
Dallas Cowboys 114.45
(Dallas Clark 17.00 pts)

PO69

10-25-2009, 11:01 PM

Again that might have looked bad, but did I ever trade him back? I was never even offered a trade that I can see

Of course I knew that you could never do the same trade again with someone

soonerdawg

10-25-2009, 11:04 PM

I looked it up:

Wk4

Wilheim 113
Dallas Cowboys 114.45
(Dallas Clark 17.00 pts)

wow.....

barman

10-25-2009, 11:38 PM

Of course I knew that you could never do the same trade again with someone

Traded Todd Heap TE, BAL
Roy Williams WR, DAL
Packing Heat Dallas Clark TE, IND
Fri., Oct 2 2009 2:16 p
My best option at TE has a bye week. Hell, I will trade this player back next week if you want him back real bad.

wiskers1

10-25-2009, 11:45 PM

that is complete bullshit at least i am not in that league

barman

10-26-2009, 10:30 PM

BUMPing this thread so that it remains front and center for as long as trading is still permitted in the Rx/Betjam FFB leagues this season

PO69

10-26-2009, 10:58 PM

Explain to me again why you are hated across multiple forums barman?

PO69

10-26-2009, 11:00 PM

Of course baridiot acts like an asshole. Would you have ANY life at all if it wasnt for stalking me?

I did nothing wrong here. We didnt have an agreement at all! I am sorry that you life isnt as interesting without drama though

PO69

10-26-2009, 11:01 PM

Baridiot, you might want to warn the HEAD MODERATOR of this site as well!!!

We have only made 2 or 3 completed trades now! The funny thing is that YOU are the only one making a big deal here.

It was OBVIOUS that my comment was a joke which is WHY the trade was never reversed. Maybe he should have emailed me or PMed me first to talk about the trade. But he NEVER communicated at all since the trade was offered

M.Saracen

10-27-2009, 01:30 PM

Hey guys, I didn't see where this thread had been sent to so sorry I couldn't chime in.

First of all, I understand completely if both me and PO69 are booted from the league. What happened isn't fair and I apologize for being involved.

Second, I didn't do it with any intentions of cheating anybody or the league. Like I've said all along, I just thought I was being nice. I've never done an NFL fantasy league before and didn't think it to be a big deal. I'll openly admit to being a sucker.

Finally...PO, you piece of shit...I offered a trade back weeks ago. You know it, you're just lying about it.

And like others have said...just because I hadn't used Clark at that point doesn't mean I wasn't going to use him later.

Anyway...sorry again guys for giving this scammer an advantage in the league. I really didn't think about the consequences of my approving his proposal. I got no gain out of it (and instead just a pretty significant loss) and regret that it happened. Lesson learned for me.

Thanks again to BetJam and TheRx for setting all this up for us. Sorry again, guys.

PO69

10-27-2009, 01:39 PM

You are the only one who thought that I was serious in that statement. Had you sent me a PM, then I would have said no we couldnt trade back.

You received a DAMN good WR in Roy Williams who was NOT INJURED at that time.

NOW that Clark starts to do better, you bitch about it.

I never saw your response to our trade until it was posted here. But of course you cant trade back players. It was a joke.

ASK anyone else if I asked to trade back players. I made around 20-30 trade offers in the past 3 weeks including 3 or 4 to you and never stated the same thing.

Dont worry, my team still sucks. I still cant believe that you thought that I was serious, were you born yesterday?

M.Saracen

10-27-2009, 01:58 PM

You are a fucking scammer, a liar, and a piece of shit.

Everybody knows it, it's blatantly obvious, and there's nothing you can say to defend yourself.

I didn't know players couldn't be traded back. You said you'd trade him back, and are only claiming you were joking now, after you've been caught red-handed. I sent that message to you immediately after accepting the trade and I *know* you would have seen it because the website alerts us to trade moves.

I also know you saw my trade proposal for returning Clark back to me for that same reason.

Furthermore, I said something to you when earlier this week you tried to scam me some more by giving me Cutler (a shit QB when I already have one for my best RB, Steven Jackson).

You're a pathetic cheater and a scammer. Obviously you've got a history of it too.

I don't understand how your lying, cheating, scamming ass hasn't been banned from these forums.

You're pathetic.

barman

10-27-2009, 02:34 PM

Fishhead

10-27-2009, 03:05 PM

Barman---Can you loan me ELI for this week, I will offer you Chad Henne in exchange?

Thanks in advance,
FH

JAKEPEAVY21

10-27-2009, 06:40 PM

both should be booted from the league for cheating..you don't "lend" players to someone for a week to improve their chances of winning..complete bushleague horseshit

cut across shorty

10-27-2009, 06:53 PM

I didn't know players couldn't be traded back.

Not that it matters much, but do we know that this is a fact? The only one I've seen say this is PO69 and his credibility isn't exactly at an all time high.

barman

10-27-2009, 07:25 PM

both should be booted from the league for cheating..you don't "lend" players to someone for a week to improve their chances of winning..complete bushleague horseshit

Well, if we boot one or both, then their upcoming opponents over next six weeks unduly benefit.

The commish has power to take over one or both teams to assure that full lineups are on field each week, which could overcome that problem.

barman

10-27-2009, 07:26 PM

Barman---Can you loan me ELI for this week, I will offer you Chad Henne in exchange?

Thanks in advance,
FH

Only if you promise to trade him right back

:toast:

PO69

10-27-2009, 07:52 PM

Of course we didnt do anything wrong. I was joking about sending him back WHICH IS OBVIOUS to anyone who can read (not barman).

Were the players traded back?? Of course not!

Roy Williams for Dallas Clark was not that bad of a trade at that time in the season! No one knew that he was going to tank thus far this season and he was NOT INJURED at that time. Also, of course he had 2 of the best TE's in the league! I gave him a starting WR for one of his bench guys.

barman, if it doesnt have COLOR BY NUMBERS................. can you not understand what you read??

barman

10-27-2009, 08:13 PM

Of course we didnt do anything wrong. I was joking about sending him back WHICH IS OBVIOUS to anyone who can read

So then you're now calling M Saracen stupid in addition to your earlier insuations that he was lying about what you wrote in your trade offer.

:ohno:

PO69

10-27-2009, 08:19 PM

:laugh:So then you're now calling M Saracen stupid in addition to your earlier insuations that he was lying about what you wrote in your trade offer.

:ohno:

If he thought that statement was serious, then I guess yes!

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EDITED to remove offtopic personal slurs

One more and we'll just dump you back on to PostReview

cut across shorty

10-27-2009, 09:13 PM

:laugh:

If he thought that statement was serious, then I guess yes!

You also must think everyone else is stupid if you expect them to believe you never saw his requests for Clark to be returned.

PO69

10-27-2009, 10:38 PM

:laugh:

If he thought that statement was serious, then I guess yes!

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EDITED to remove offtopic personal slurs

One more and we'll just dump you back on to PostReview

EDIT - You just can't stay on topic...take a break...

bar

M.Saracen

10-28-2009, 02:06 AM

"Hell, I will trade this player back next week if you want him back real bad."

Your exact words.

There's no joking to be inferred from that statement, dipshit.

Unbelievable.

MikeB

10-28-2009, 04:54 PM

1) Such deals are certainly not in good spirit and thus we should not be shocked at who initiated the notion. (PO69)

2) Your likely sincere intent to be a cooperative manager has indeed resulted in you being shot in the foot.

3) Everyone and anyone who is a regular contributor to the Rx and/or participant in Rx-sponsored contests should file this away as just another example of what happens when a certain guy rolls up to you in the casino hallway and asks you to buy his Elvis chips for cash so he can enter the poker tournament.

4) Just be thankful you're not one of his pet dogs prior to the big hurricane coming through.

I would also like to add #5

5) Don't ever, ever try to buy schoolbooks from this scammer on Ebay.......those books don't exist.

barman

11-11-2009, 01:30 PM

rump

Bennyshoe

11-11-2009, 02:00 PM

both should be booted from the league for cheating..you don't "lend" players to someone for a week to improve their chances of winning..complete bushleague horseshit

I just started read this thread. Had no idea this was going on in my own division! (I'm Vick in the Box BTW). Crazy stuff.

I agree. I've never heard of "borrowing" players for a week. I've played for a long time and have never had anyone ask me that in many leagues.

Bennyshoe

11-11-2009, 05:10 PM

"Hell, I will trade this player back next week if you want him back real bad."

Your exact words.

There's no joking to be inferred from that statement, dipshit.

Unbelievable.

The more I thought about it, to me, that's pretty clear cut.

Reminds me of a story I just read today.

A story in the local paper had a ex-FSU player and current assistant coach at a local high school, wear a ski mask, with a gun, walk into a convenience store to rob it.

A police report said a man wearing black clothing and gloves and a white mask entered a Check ‘n Go store in the 8600 block of South Old Kings Road shortly before 7 p.m. Oct. 30. He pointed what looked like a shotgun at the clerk and demanded the money in the register.

The robbery ended when the man asked for the contents of the safe. The clerk told the gun-wielding intruder that she’d have to call a manager to get the safe open, the report said.

That’s when he took his mask off and said it was all a joke. He ran out the exit, but came back five minutes later to apologize.

His lawyer, Reginald Estell Jr., said he was acquainted with the clerk and was just having some ill-advised fun.

http://jacksonville.com/community/mandarin_sun/2009-11-11/story/law_disorder_mandarin_high_coach_charged_in_prank