What do you guys think about how this prop was graded?

Illini · Nov 3, 2014

First, there was a delay of game before the snap on 1st down. So it's 1st and 15. Then, there was an incomplete pass, but the play was wiped out because of penalties on both teams. Then, on 1st and 15 again, there was a completed pass. The choices were completed pass, rush for a gain, and any other outcome. They graded it as any other outcome, claiming the delay of game penalty was the outcome for the 1st play. They told me that a bet on the outcome of the first play was graded before the ball was even snapped. LOL. I asked what happens when a guy gets a catch and is called for offensive pass interference. He said "it's a completed pass." Then he said "no, it would be any other outcome."

1st Play - 13th Drive will result in:completed pass

Illini · Nov 3, 2014

If they throw a td pass on 1st and 15, is there anyone anywhere that would think the outcome of the 1st play would be Delay of Game-any other outcome wins?

HarryCaray · Nov 3, 2014

That's horseshit, delay of game is a dead ball foul and therefore by definition is not part of "the play".. The first PLAY took place when they snapped the ball IMO.

So if the D gets called for encroachment and then on 1st and 5 it's a completed pass, that's "any other result"?

I'm sure there's some fine print somewhere about it though, right?

Enfuego · Nov 3, 2014

Anytime I've had this live play and there's a penalty, they have always graded it as a "no action" and refunded the wager.

TheFalls · Nov 3, 2014

nope. a penalty is any other outcome. at least I've been graded that way in the past.

Illini · Nov 3, 2014

HarryCaray said:
That's horseshit, delay of game is a dead ball foul and therefore by definition is not part of "the play".. The first PLAY took place when they snapped the ball IMO.

So if the D gets called for encroachment and then on 1st and 5 it's a completed pass, that's "any other result"?

I'm sure there's some fine print somewhere about it though, right?

There is no fine print at all in their rules. I talked to a supervisor for 15 minutes and still have absolutely no clue WTF we're betting on when we bet that prop going forward. I told him, look, there are no rules listed, so you have to take the way the prop is worded. He said nope.

ivyconniver · Nov 3, 2014

There hasn't been a play yet. If it's a holding, pass interferance, etc then that's any other outcome, but not a delay of game or offsides because that's not a play.

Illini · Nov 3, 2014

ivyconniver said:
There hasn't been a play yet. If it's a holding, pass interferance, etc then that's any other outcome, but not a delay of game or offsides because that's not a play.

There definitely has to be rules listed on their site for this, and there is not.

The Guesser · Nov 4, 2014

What does the play by play sheet show on NFL.com? Usually that's how props are graded.

Seymour · Nov 4, 2014

Any other thing is way to fucken vague - does it mean INT, safety, incomplete pass, etc. - or does it mean penalty and no play - this is ur classic book loophole to steal - they know they need clarification - this aint the first time this has happened

JakeT. · Nov 4, 2014

I'd grade it any other outcome. They ran a play and it wasn't a completed pass or a run for a gain...

That being said, this is interesting in tonight's game:

1st and 10 at NYG 20	(7:07) E.Manning pass short middle to R.Randle to NYG 35 for 15 yards (V.Davis).
1st and 10 at NYG 35	(6:36) (No Huddle) PENALTY on NYG-J.Pugh, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 35 - No Play.

SECplayer · Nov 4, 2014

Jake T. said:
I'd grade it any other outcome. They ran a play and it wasn't a completed pass or a run for a gain...

That being said, this is interesting in tonight's game:

1st and 10 at NYG 20 (7:07) E.Manning pass short middle to R.Randle to NYG 35 for 15 yards (V.Davis).
1st and 10 at NYG 35 (6:36) (No Huddle) PENALTY on NYG-J.Pugh, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at NYG 35 - No Play.

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But did they? The ball was never snapped. I can understand if they snapped it and a play was run and there happened to be a holding call. Whether they accepted or declined holding, I would say that a play occurred. Delay of game or false start is different to me though.

Shub · Nov 4, 2014

The real question here is how the hell do you get a delay of game on the first play of a drive? @ home at that. Sorry to hear about your problem. Hope you get your money.

$tinky · Nov 4, 2014

Its a little on you for betting shit like this with out any rules posted. Sorta asking for it.

HacheMan · Nov 4, 2014

ivyconniver said:
There hasn't been a play yet. If it's a holding, pass interferance, etc then that's any other outcome, but not a delay of game or offsides because that's not a play.

Actually ANY PLAYS that involve any type of penalty should not count as an official play in a prop like this.

In my opinion at least...

tatehill2000 · Nov 4, 2014

You were fukd..it's not a play.

Hotpizza · Nov 4, 2014

Was this Betonline this took place at?

MotorMouth · Nov 4, 2014

$tinky said:
Its a little on you for betting shit like this with out any rules posted. Sorta asking for it.

In the same way wearing mini skirts around construction sites is asking to be catcalled?

slapshot · Nov 4, 2014

Any other outcome as the play clock expired

They play for that play clock was a penalty

Just cause they don't lose a down doesn't mean you get a mulligan

If it said 1st down that's different

HarryCaray · Nov 4, 2014

slapshot said:
Any other outcome as the play clock expired

They play for that play clock was a penalty

Just cause they don't lose a down doesn't mean you get a mulligan

If it said 1st down that's different

You must be kidding? A play is not defined by how many seconds tick off the play clock, it's defined as snapping the ball and doing something.

What do you guys think about how this prop was graded?

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