Rondo would be perfect in Cleveland

CHOPTALK · Nov 14, 2014

How much sense would it make for Boston to trade Rondo for Kyrie?
Too many people on that cleveland team want shots.

Boston needs the scoring and Cleveland needs one less player that needs to take 25 shots a game while at the same time having someone like Rondo who takes pride in dishing the ball around.

That guy would probably average 15 assist per game on that team.

Boston is in a youth movement so they would get the younger player while Cleveland is in win now mode getting the veteran.

I think this would be great for both teams.

Ladeda · Nov 14, 2014

Don't think it's a good idea. Rondo got the reputation for being a selfish ball dominating point guard which is one of the reasons he feuded with the Boston big three in their glory days. Lebron and his teams are the exact opposite of that style. Lots of ball movement on Miami's team. That's not something Rondo is known for. He's known for getting a ton of assists but isn't a selfless player and he wants to be the guy getting the assist on the play and not a guy who swings the ball around to keep the ball moving like the Spurs do or to a lesser extent the Heat of the last few years.

Good example of this is how Tony Parker is a much more selfless team player then Rondo, despite the fact Parker takes a lot more shots and doesn't get as many assists.
Assists can be hoarded just like any other stat if a player wants to focus on them. There is a huge difference in the way guys like Jason Kidd and Mark Jackson accumulated tons of assists by playing good team ball compared to guys like Rod Strickland and Stephon Marbury who accumulated them by hoarding the ball then dishing off to the scorer.

This is the reason teams aren't going to be breaking down the doors to get Rondo from the rebuilding Celtics. I'd imagine Lebron would prefer Kyrie despite him being more of a scorer. Cleveland could easily make it happen if they wanted.

akphidelt · Nov 14, 2014

Rondo selfish and ball dominating? The dude can't even shoot. He averages less than 10 shot attempts a game for his career and 9 assists. Kyrie takes about 17 shots a game. Rondo would be an absolutely perfect fit in Cleveland. And this year Rondo has over 11 assists per game compared to Kyries 5.

Ladeda · Nov 14, 2014

My point was that you can be an assist guy and not a scorer and still be a selfish player. I don't watch Boston enough to come to a conclusion like that on my own. I read it in an article years ago before Rondo started getting injured. After reading it then watching him play I agreed with what the article pointed out. It was also the reason he sometimes feuded with Garnett, Pierce, and Allen when the Celtics were good. He looks for assists first rather then facilitating the offense. More worried about his assist numbers then team passing.

celticGreen+ · Nov 15, 2014

this trade has been talked about in boston since before the season began... making the money work would be difficult. I agree with the general idea though. the problem is they Cs can't get value for Rondo... He'll always be the best piece in the trade

celticGreen+ · Nov 15, 2014

...ladeda is a moron btw

Gravy · Nov 15, 2014

The Cavs wont be trading Kyrie anytime soon but I wish he would work on his defense as he is horrible at that

Ladeda · Nov 15, 2014

celticGreen said:
...ladeda is a moron btw

You are obviously a Rondo fan. I bet you the Celtics will never be able to unload him for anything significant. He will never fetch the ransom teams insist on for star players. Forget the money Cleveland wouldn't trade Irving for Rondo straight up even if money/cap issues were a none factor. Maybe in Boston they talk about it, it would be great for Boston. Nowhere else though

NickPappagiorgio · Nov 15, 2014

Kyrie Irving may be the most overrated player in basketball, he doesnt care about winning. I wouldnt want him anywhere near my team

PatsFan1283 · Nov 15, 2014

Not speaking to the bball side of things but Kyrie can't be dealt this year after signing his deal and Rondo has very little trade value anyway since he is a FA in 5 months

Don't think Rondo would be ideal in Cle though. Late in the games LeBron needs the ball (or Love) and Rondo is a terrible spacer/off ball player in the last 5-6 mins.

8ate · Nov 15, 2014

Rondo for Hawks in ATL..

honzie · Nov 15, 2014

Ladeda WTF? Where do you get your info? I watched every Celtic game and followed them in the papers during that era and you're not even close here. Pierce, KG, ALlen et al. wanted Rondo to take charge and be the leader on the floor, this meant taking the open shot when it was there. That is the only 'squabble' the players had with Rondo. He has never, ever been remotely close to being selfish. He is smart and seldom makes the wrong pass. He WOULD be a great fit for that team amongst all of those scorers. I would hate to see Rondo go but Choptalk is probably right - that trade good for both teams.

HuskerFan1 · Nov 16, 2014

i dont follow hoops closely but i said this weeks ago, i think rondo would be perfect in cleveland, he would thrive there with scorers. with guys like love and lebron you need an unselfish guy and thats rondo to a tee

Ladeda · Nov 16, 2014

I get you all think I'm dead wrong on this. Like I said before I read these points about Rondo in an article years ago and I just agree with them.

I think you guys are way overestimating how much a point guard who gets lots of assists helps a team win a championship. Teams that win championships just don't have a point guard who dominates the ball and gets lots of assists. These championship teams get a lot of assists but it's a team effort with lots of guys getting around 5 assists per game, not one guy dominating the ball getting lots of meaningless assists.

Here are the teams with multiple titles of over the last 25 years , show me the team that had any player in the top 3 in assists.

-Chicago Bulls - none of the various Jordan teams had a big assist guy

-San Antonio Spurs - many different lineups surrounding their big 3 over the last 15 years, no big assist guys

-LA Lakers - Kobe lead two different casts to title runs. None had a big assist guy

-Detroit Pistons - Big Ben, Billups and crew, no big assist guy

-Houston Rockets - Olajuwons teams, no big assist guy

The game has changed. All of the best teams in the last quarter century don't have point guards who get a ton of assists. If I'm wrong on that list let me know.

akphidelt · Nov 16, 2014

Ladeda believes Rondo is selfish and a ball hog because he tries to get assists. Never heard that logic in my life, lol.

Ladeda · Nov 17, 2014

akphidelt said:
Ladeda believes Rondo is selfish and a ball hog because he tries to get assists. Never heard that logic in my life, lol.

Just look back at notable ballhogs who control the ball a lot. They almost always have a decent number of assists despite being anything but a team player. Iverson and Marbury are two classic examples, both dominated the ball and made sure they got all their shots during any giving game. Whether or not the defense was going to let them get good shots or not, they were going to jack it up and get "theirs".. Both were always top 10 in assists every year too. It's not because they were great, or even good passers, it because they always controlled the ball.

Ladeda · Nov 17, 2014

Forgot about Miami the last few years.

Miami Heat- no point guard who got a lot of assists.

akphidelt · Nov 17, 2014

Ladeda said:
Just look back at notable ballhogs who control the ball a lot. They almost always have a decent number of assists despite being anything but a team player. Iverson and Marbury are two classic examples, both dominated the ball and made sure they got all their shots during any giving game. Whether or not the defense was going to let them get good shots or not, they were going to jack it up and get "theirs".. Both were always top 10 in assists every year too. It's not because they were great, or even good passers, it because they always controlled the ball.

Iverson and Marbury are classic examples of "assist" guys. I've never seen anyone so delusional of what is actually happening in the NBA

Ladeda · Nov 17, 2014

Yup Iverson and Marbury were always among the leaders in assists. It's not delusional, just look it all, even you could probably find player stats on the internet.

akphidelt · Nov 17, 2014

Ladeda said:
Yup Iverson and Marbury were always among the leaders in assists. It's not delusional, just look it all, even you could probably find player stats on the internet.

You're making shit up. Iverson nor Marbury ever averaged over 9 assists in a season. I don't think iverson even averaged 8 once. This is one of the more insane arguments I've seen. Especially when you consider the shots per game.

Rondo would be perfect in Cleveland

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