Cleveland police kill 12-year-old boy carrying fake gun

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The boy was playing with the gun on the playground at Cudell Recreation Center, pulling it from his pants and pointing it at people, a man told a 911 dispatcher. The toy’s orange safety tip had apparently been removed, and the caller said the boy was “scaring the s— out of everyone.” He also noted that the boy was “probably a juvenile” and that the gun was “probably fake,” but that message was reportedly never relayed to police.
When two Cleveland police officers arrived at the scene, a rookie officersaw the boy beneath a gazebo, picking up the gun and tucking it into his waistband. Police said the officer ordered him to raise his hands, but he raised his shirt instead — reaching for the gun. The officer fired twice. One shot hit the boy in the stomach.
Rice was rushed to MetroHealth Medical Center. Early Sunday, he died from his injuries, according to the medical examiner.
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This Saturday, Nov. 22, 2014 photo shows Cleveland police investigating a scene after an officer fired two shots, killing 12-year-old Tamir E. Rice, who police said pulled a gun from his waistband. The gun was later determined to be a BB gun with the orange safety cap removed. (AP Photo/Northeast Ohio Media Group, Cory Schaffer)
The U.S. Justice Department has said it doesn’t keep historical data on such cases, though, similar accidents have been reported from Ohio to Florida to Texas. The Bureau of Justice Statistics reported in 1990 that police in the United States use force some 200 times per year “in a confrontation where an imitation gun had been mistaken for a real firearm.” The issue is how law enforcement officers are suppose to determine in a split second that a realistic-looking weapon is fake — or that the person wielding it is a child.
“The officer had no clue he was a 12-year-old,” Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association president Jeff Follmer told WKYC-TV. “He had no clue it was a toy gun, he was kind of shocked. He was concentrating more on the hands than on the age. It’s not, Go shoot a 12-year-old with a good fake gun.’ It’s not that scenario at all. This is a compassionate officer.”
He told the Plain Dealer: “We have to assume every gun is real. When we don’t, that’s the day we don’t go home.”
“You have to look at this in the context that this is a 12-year-old boy, not a 35-year-old man with a criminal history,” the family’s attorney Timothy Kucharski told the Plain Dealer. “You can’t expect adult reactions out of children.”
Gregory Henderson, a family friend, said Tamir was tall for his age. He liked basketball. He was artistic and smart. He was a well-mannered kid.
“That’s my superhero,” Henderson told WKYC-TV. “Who would’ve thought he would go so soon? He had his whole life ahead. To be 12 years old, he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Police they know what they’re doing.”
Tamir had been playing at the park with his sister and a friend when he was confronted by police. He never shouted or verbally threatened the officers. He never pointed the gun at them. But he did reach for it, police said.
Authorities said the BB gun resembled a semiautomatic handgun. An orange safety marker, intended to identify a toy gun, had been removed, police said. It wasn’t until after the weapon was recovered that investigators determined it was a BB gun.
“Tragedies happen when you rush ahead of the facts,” Kucharski told the newspaper.
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The BB gun taken from a 12-year old shot by Cleveland police. (AP Photo/The Plain Dealer, Cory Schaffer)
The killing comes at a contentious time, as the country waits for a grand jury decision that will determine whether police officer Darren Wilson will face criminal charges for fatally shooting unarmed 18-year-old Michael Brown. In the weeks following the August shooting, people flooded the streets in Ferguson, Mo., calling the killing an issue of race.
However, Kucharski said race wasn’t the issue in Saturday’s shooting.
“This is not a black-and-white issue. This is a right-and-wrong issue. This is not a racial issue. This is about people doing their jobs the right way,” he told WOIO-TV.
The U.S. Justice Department has been investigating Cleveland police for several years for use of excessive force, according to the Associated Press.
The officers involved in Saturday’s shooting have been put on administrative leave as the department investigates Rice’s death. Detectives collected surveillance video from the recreation center that will be presented to the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor’s Office. The evidence will be presented to a grand jury to determine whether the officer used excessive force.
After the investigation is over, Kucharski said Rice’s family will decide whether to file a civil lawsuit against Cleveland’s police department.
“We are going to conduct our own investigation,” Kucharski told WKYC-TV. “We are going to talk to witnesses. We will get all the 911 tapes, the radio dispatch records as to what was said to the police, what the officers knew and then after we have conducted a thorough investigation we will make a determination after talking with the family with what we will proceed with legally at that point.”
On Sunday, Ohio State Rep. Alicia Reece (D) announced she will introduce legislation to slap restrictions on BB guns, air rifles and airsoft guns.
Follmer told the Plain Dealer if the bill passes, it could backfire, making it easier for criminals to paint real guns to resemble toys.
“Our guys would still need to take the gun seriously until somebody puts it down,” he said.
Still, Reece said regulation is necessary to avoid potential tragedies, citing another incident in August when police fatally shot a 22-year-old man while he was holding an air rifle at a Wal-Mart in Beavercreek, Ohio.
Kucharsk told the Plain Dealer that Tamir’s family is devastated, his mother “inconsolable.”
“She woke up yesterday with a son,” he said. “Today, she woke up without a son.”
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Gun looks real to me.
 

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This is a huge tragedy man... I don't really see the cop being at fault, at least not according to the reports that are out there. I mean, if cop told you to raise your hand, you raise your hands. Also, kid has no reason to be playing with a gun like that man, in the middle of a playground at that.

I get that he was a kid, but everyone see on the news what kids are capable of these days. Cop may have reacted a little to quick but who know what was going on in his mind as well.

Just a huge tragedy for all involved.
 

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Some of these guys/girls are too paranoid, afraid, and eager (to pull the trigger), to be police officers...

I'm sure that there are good and bad police officers (like every other profession), but I wouldn't want to be faced with the decision on whether to discharge my firearm or not.
 

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Agree. A lot of cops have no business being cops.
Agree, but the same arguement can be made with some firefighters, schoolteachers, store clerks, fast food workers.......
 

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This is a huge tragedy man... I don't really see the cop being at fault, at least not according to the reports that are out there. I mean, if cop told you to raise your hand, you raise your hands. Also, kid has no reason to be playing with a gun like that man, in the middle of a playground at that.

I get that he was a kid, but everyone see on the news what kids are capable of these days. Cop may have reacted a little to quick but who know what was going on in his mind as well.

Just a huge tragedy for all involved.

I know what you mean, but maybe the cop could have shot him in the leg or shoulder. Idk. I didn't notice how far the cop was from the kid in the article. Be curious to know.
 

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Maybe he could have shot in the leg or shoulder? Say what? If a cop is privileged to use force, there is no such thing as trying to shoot someone in the leg. You have to neutralize the perceived threat and that means deadly force. It is kill or be killed for these police officers that are forced to make a split second decision and I am tired of seeing police officers shot to death by criminals. In this case, what in the hell is this kid thinking? This is absolutely tragic but again, what in the world went through this kid's mind?
 

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Maybe he could have shot in the leg or shoulder? Say what? If a cop is privileged to use force, there is no such thing as trying to shoot someone in the leg. You have to neutralize the perceived threat and that means deadly force. It is kill or be killed for these police officers that are forced to make a split second decision and I am tired of seeing police officers shot to death by criminals. In this case, what in the hell is this kid thinking? This is absolutely tragic but again, what in the world went through this kid's mind?

Kids are idiots at that age. Obviously, playing with a gun that resembles a real one isn't smart. What if it was your 12 year old that got shot and killed because he was doing something stupid? Unfortunate. His gun was already drawn on the kid. Did the cop think the 12 year old might be Billy The Kid or something to where he had to shoot twice killing him? Hm
 

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What the hell was going threw that kids mind. When a policeman points his gun at you and yells Freeze, you don't act like this is some sort of video game and you go for your gun. This is real life kid, there are no "do overs" in real time.
 

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Kids are idiots at that age. Obviously, playing with a gun that resembles a real one isn't smart. What if it was your 12 year old that got shot and killed because he was doing something stupid? Unfortunate. His gun was already drawn on the kid. Did the cop think the 12 year old might be Billy The Kid or something to where he had to shoot twice killing him? Hm

Cop didn't know it was a kid from what I've read.
 

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If your a cop and you tell someone to get down and they go for a gun then you have to face the consequences. Its like having rules of engagement in the military. Those are thrown out the window as soon as you see a weapon. I never waited for them to discharge a round before I had rounds going down range. You wait, you die. Its that simple.
 

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A 12 year old kid should be smart enough not to play with a toy gun the way this kid was. If a police officer tells you to put your hands up you listen.
 

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I know what you mean, but maybe the cop could have shot him in the leg or shoulder. Idk. I didn't notice how far the cop was from the kid in the article. Be curious to know.

Cops aren't trained to shoot at limbs. Center mass is the target. Shitty story but what should the cops have done? Wait to find out if it was real or not? Might have been to late by then.
 

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