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[h=1]5 years later, ‘Obamacare’ critics can’t believe their lying eyes[/h] 03/23/15 08:00 AM—Updated 03/23/15 12:17 PM
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By Steve Benen
Exactly five years ago today, the White House hosted a signing ceremony in the East Room for one of the most important policy breakthroughs in a generation. Policymakers from both parties have talked about providing health security for all of the nation’s families for roughly a century, but on March 23, 2010, officials gathered not just to talk but to celebrate action.

Vice President Biden introduced President Obama to the audience and, in comments that weren’t intended for the public’s ears, said to the president off-mic, “This is a big f***ing deal.” Five years later, there’s little doubt that Biden was entirely correct.

If you’d told me five years ago that on March 23, 2015, the Affordable Care Act would exceed expectations on every possible metric, including reducing the nation’s uninsured rate by a third, I’d say “Obamacare” would look like a great success. And fortunately for the country, that’s exactly what’s happened.

Anniversaries are a good time to pause, reflect, and take stock, and when it comes to health care reform, objective observers are going to find it easy on the ACA’s fifth anniversary to appreciate the law’s triumphs. But it’s also a good time to take a moment to acknowledge those who told Americans exactly what to expect from the Affordable Care Act – and who got the story backwards.

Failed Prediction #1: Americans won’t enroll in the ACA

In 2009 and 2010, it was widely assumed among Republicans that Democrats had fundamentally miscalculated public demand and consumers would show no real interest in signing up for coverage through the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, among some on the right, this was a foregone conclusion – Americans wouldn’t trust “Obamacare.” We now know, of course, that the opposite is true and that millions of families have eagerly signed up for benefits through the ACA.

Failed Prediction #2: The ACA won’t meet its enrollment goals

OK, so maybe some consumers would enroll, Republicans eventually said, but the ACA would inevitably lose the numbers game when the enrollment projections proved overly ambitious. In reality, both this year and last year, enrollment totals exceeded the Obama administration’s preliminary projections.

Failed Prediction #3: Insurers will want no part of the ACA system


Conservatives were absolutely convinced that private insurers would refuse to participate in the ACA’s exchange marketplaces, repeating the prediction over and over again. This also proved to be the opposite of the truth, as insurance companies have been eager to compete for Americans’ business.

Failed Prediction #4: The economy will suffer terribly because of ‘Obamacare’

Among Republicans, there was near-certainty that 2014 – the first full year for ACA implementation – would be an abysmal year for the American job market. After all, it seemed obvious to the right that “Obamacare” would crush job creation and push unemployment higher. In reality, 2014 was the best year for American job creation since the ’90s; the unemployment has shown sharp improvement; and there’s literally no evidence that the ACA had an adverse effect on economic growth at all.

Failed Prediction #5: Even if Americans enrolled, they won’t pay their premiums

When the evidence started looking good for the ACA, Republicans got a little desperate, looking for ways to downplay good news, and the “people won’t pay their premiums” talking point took root. It was, however, completely wrong.

Failed Prediction #6: Even if people pay their premiums, the flawed ACA structure will send premiums soaring

Those hoping to see the American system fail counted on soaring insurance premiums. This just hasn’t happened and the ACA model has proven to be quite effective.

Failed Prediction #7: The ACA won’t reduce the uninsured rate because it will only help those who already have coverage

This was a GOP favorite for quite a while, right up until the evidence proved the right had this backwards, too.

Failed Prediction #8: The ACA will lead to a “net loss” on overall coverage

This line was pushed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) for a while, with the Republican leader arguing a year ago that “Obamacare” would end coverage for more people than it would expand coverage to, “a net loss.” Boehner said, “I actually do believe that to be the case.” As it turns out, his actual beliefs were ridiculously wrong.

Failed Prediction #9: The ACA will lead to higher deficits and a weaker fiscal footing for the nation

One of the projections that never sat well for Republicans, who sometimes pretend to care about the deficit, was that “Obamacare” would reduce the nation’s deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the coming years. The GOP assumed the non-partisan budget analyses were wrong and proceeded to tell the country the law would make the deficit larger and “bankrupt” the country. According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, Republicans got this backwards, too. In fact, the overall price tag of the ACA is now smaller than previously projected.

Failed Prediction #10: Americans will end up hating the coverage they receive through the ACA

Customer satisfaction rates came as a huge surprise to Republicans, who expected the opposite results: “A majority of Americans give good reviews for insurance they recently acquired through government exchanges within the past year, a new poll shows. With the second round of Obamacare enrollment set to begin on Saturday, 71 percent said their coverage through the exchanges was good or excellent, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. Another 19 percent said the coverage was fair, while 9 percent rated it poorly.”

That’s 10 failed predictions and we could keep going. ACA critics were wrong about the “death spiral.” And “rate shock.” And the notion that young people wouldn’t enroll. And assertions that Medicare patients would suffer. None of these predictions – literally, none of them – stood up to scrutiny.

Making matters slightly worse, five years later, none of the prominent figures in Republican politics who were wrong are willing to take responsibility for their failed predictions. On the contrary, there’s apparently no real accountability at all – the same GOP policymakers who’ve been wrong about every aspect of the debate haven’t even tried to offer an explanation for their mistakes and misjudgments. They’re far too busy scheduling dozens of floor votes to repeal the successful law and have neither the time nor the inclination to explain their abysmal predictive powers and fact-free critiques (or offer a credible alternative).

The debate has descended into an unsatisfying dialog between those who can point to evidence and those who say the law is a “disaster” out of habit, without regard for substance or reality.
 

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You mean conservatives were wrong predicting a future event? Hard to believe. They've only swung and missed on every important issue for the last 5 decades.
 
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[h=1]Obamacare Has Failed To Collapse -- But Its Premiums Continue To Climb[/h] Avik Roy , Forbes Staff
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Democrats are trumpeting preliminary estimates indicating that premiums on Obamacare’s insurance exchanges will rise modestly, on average, in 2015. These early indications have led to a peculiar type of crowing from Obamacare supporters: “See, Obamacare isn’t collapsing!” And it’s true: Obamacare isn’t collapsing. But in the real world, we don’t measure the success of the “Affordable Care Act” by its failure to collapse. We measure it by looking at the underlying affordability of American health care. And there can be no doubt that health care today is more costly than it would have been without Obamacare.



It is certainly encouraging that we’re not seeing a health insurance “death spiral” on the exchanges. But measured over two years, Obamacare’s rate hikes remain toxic. And further increases are on the horizon in 2017, when some of the law’s subsidies to insurance companies are set to expire.
Contrary to Paul Krugman and other ACA cheerleaders, rate shock isn’t a myth. It’s a fact. I and my colleagues at the Manhattan Institute looked at the actual, finalized rate filings in 2014 and compared them to what was available in 2013. The average U.S. county saw a rate increase of 49 percent. You can dig through our findings, or find out how much individual-market premiums went up in your county, by visiting our interactive map.
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But the health law’s $2 trillion in subsidies cushion the impact of rate shock for those whose incomes are low enough to qualify for them. That’s why 85 percent of those who signed up for exchange-based plans this last spring were people eligible for subsidies.
And Obamacare isn’t out of the woods by any means. Insurers are extremely nervous about the fact that much of the Obamacare website’s “back end”—the part that processes subsidy eligibility and payments, among other things—remains a mess. Earlier this summer, the U.S. Government Accountability Office entered 12 fake applications into the federal exchanges, and found that 11 were approved.
 

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Note that the articles sources are: Vox, Rachel Maddow, MSNBC, and Vox.

Hysterical.

Also note: Six Democratic senators and one independent have asked the Department of Health and Human Services to a delay a new rule that would likely force small businesses to pay more for employee health insurance under the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare. The senators warn that if the administration goes ahead with the change it would be "particularly harmful and disruptive" to small businesses.

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You can't make up how stupid the person who started this thread is.
 

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Schmucks like Cruz and Perry actually have Presidential aspirations, Repubs making fools of themselves in Congress. Ahhh...

5 years later, ‘Obamacare’ critics can’t believe their lying eyes

03/23/15 08:00 AM—Updated 03/23/15 12:17 PM
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By Steve Benen
Exactly five years ago today, the White House hosted a signing ceremony in the East Room for one of the most important policy breakthroughs in a generation. Policymakers from both parties have talked about providing health security for all of the nation’s families for roughly a century, but on March 23, 2010, officials gathered not just to talk but to celebrate action.

Vice President Biden introduced President Obama to the audience and, in comments that weren’t intended for the public’s ears, said to the president off-mic, “This is a big f***ing deal.” Five years later, there’s little doubt that Biden was entirely correct.

If you’d told me five years ago that on March 23, 2015, the Affordable Care Act would exceed expectations on every possible metric, including reducing the nation’s uninsured rate by a third, I’d say “Obamacare” would look like a great success. And fortunately for the country, that’s exactly what’s happened.

Anniversaries are a good time to pause, reflect, and take stock, and when it comes to health care reform, objective observers are going to find it easy on the ACA’s fifth anniversary to appreciate the law’s triumphs. But it’s also a good time to take a moment to acknowledge those who told Americans exactly what to expect from the Affordable Care Act – and who got the story backwards.

Failed Prediction #1: Americans won’t enroll in the ACA

In 2009 and 2010, it was widely assumed among Republicans that Democrats had fundamentally miscalculated public demand and consumers would show no real interest in signing up for coverage through the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, among some on the right, this was a foregone conclusion – Americans wouldn’t trust “Obamacare.” We now know, of course, that the opposite is true and that millions of families have eagerly signed up for benefits through the ACA.

Failed Prediction #2: The ACA won’t meet its enrollment goals

OK, so maybe some consumers would enroll, Republicans eventually said, but the ACA would inevitably lose the numbers game when the enrollment projections proved overly ambitious. In reality, both this year and last year, enrollment totals exceeded the Obama administration’s preliminary projections.

Failed Prediction #3: Insurers will want no part of the ACA system


Conservatives were absolutely convinced that private insurers would refuse to participate in the ACA’s exchange marketplaces, repeating the prediction over and over again. This also proved to be the opposite of the truth, as insurance companies have been eager to compete for Americans’ business.

Failed Prediction #4: The economy will suffer terribly because of ‘Obamacare’

Among Republicans, there was near-certainty that 2014 – the first full year for ACA implementation – would be an abysmal year for the American job market. After all, it seemed obvious to the right that “Obamacare” would crush job creation and push unemployment higher. In reality, 2014 was the best year for American job creation since the ’90s; the unemployment has shown sharp improvement; and there’s literally no evidence that the ACA had an adverse effect on economic growth at all.

Failed Prediction #5: Even if Americans enrolled, they won’t pay their premiums

When the evidence started looking good for the ACA, Republicans got a little desperate, looking for ways to downplay good news, and the “people won’t pay their premiums” talking point took root. It was, however, completely wrong.

Failed Prediction #6: Even if people pay their premiums, the flawed ACA structure will send premiums soaring

Those hoping to see the American system fail counted on soaring insurance premiums. This just hasn’t happened and the ACA model has proven to be quite effective.

Failed Prediction #7: The ACA won’t reduce the uninsured rate because it will only help those who already have coverage

This was a GOP favorite for quite a while, right up until the evidence proved the right had this backwards, too.

Failed Prediction #8: The ACA will lead to a “net loss” on overall coverage

This line was pushed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) for a while, with the Republican leader arguing a year ago that “Obamacare” would end coverage for more people than it would expand coverage to, “a net loss.” Boehner said, “I actually do believe that to be the case.” As it turns out, his actual beliefs were ridiculously wrong.

Failed Prediction #9: The ACA will lead to higher deficits and a weaker fiscal footing for the nation

One of the projections that never sat well for Republicans, who sometimes pretend to care about the deficit, was that “Obamacare” would reduce the nation’s deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the coming years. The GOP assumed the non-partisan budget analyses were wrong and proceeded to tell the country the law would make the deficit larger and “bankrupt” the country. According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, Republicans got this backwards, too. In fact, the overall price tag of the ACA is now smaller than previously projected.

Failed Prediction #10: Americans will end up hating the coverage they receive through the ACA

Customer satisfaction rates came as a huge surprise to Republicans, who expected the opposite results: “A majority of Americans give good reviews for insurance they recently acquired through government exchanges within the past year, a new poll shows. With the second round of Obamacare enrollment set to begin on Saturday, 71 percent said their coverage through the exchanges was good or excellent, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. Another 19 percent said the coverage was fair, while 9 percent rated it poorly.”

That’s 10 failed predictions and we could keep going. ACA critics were wrong about the “death spiral.” And “rate shock.” And the notion that young people wouldn’t enroll. And assertions that Medicare patients would suffer. None of these predictions – literally, none of them – stood up to scrutiny.

Making matters slightly worse, five years later, none of the prominent figures in Republican politics who were wrong are willing to take responsibility for their failed predictions. On the contrary, there’s apparently no real accountability at all – the same GOP policymakers who’ve been wrong about every aspect of the debate haven’t even tried to offer an explanation for their mistakes and misjudgments. They’re far too busy scheduling dozens of floor votes to repeal the successful law and have neither the time nor the inclination to explain their abysmal predictive powers and fact-free critiques (or offer a credible alternative).

The debate has descended into an unsatisfying dialog between those who can point to evidence and those who say the law is a “disaster” out of habit, without regard for substance or reality.

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She also added… “It’s going to be very, very exciting.”

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point 4: outside of unemployment, most economic numbers have been horrible to start 2015. It is so bad that the Atlanta fed is currently predicting the economy to grow only at .3% in Q1 2015

point 6: My premiums went up from $75 a month to $232 a month, and I got less coverage.
 

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Republicans have failed every step of the way against Obama. It's been a fun ride watching them crash and burn time and time again. It started becoming a joke 3 years ago... now it's just like a fly buzzing around, lol. How any grown adult that has any shred of intelligence could vote for Republicans these days is beyond me. That party has become a shit show.
 

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Republicans have failed every step of the way against Obama. It's been a fun ride watching them crash and burn time and time again. It started becoming a joke 3 years ago... now it's just like a fly buzzing around, lol. How any grown adult that has any shred of intelligence could vote for Republicans these days is beyond me. That party has become a shit show.


You should really stay out of these/any discussions....as you continue to show your ignorance and alcohol riddled brain.

BTW...you never answered if you were off of house arrest yet. Weather getting better there in Wood River and it's gonna be nice to leave the wigwam.
 

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Republicans have failed every step of the way against Obama. It's been a fun ride watching them crash and burn time and time again. It started becoming a joke 3 years ago... now it's just like a fly buzzing around, lol. How any grown adult that has any shred of intelligence could vote for Republicans these days is beyond me. That party has become a shit show.

It is Obama who crashes and burns almost on a daily basis. How did that Israeli election work out for him even though he went out of his way to influence it (perhaps illegally at that). Shit show you say, check out the list of scandals with the WH administration and Hillary's email fiasco. Dem's are being shown for what the really are. Obama is directly responsible for the change in the Senate majority and you still don't get it but then again you never will. Bottom line is that you lack intelligence and almost any and everything is beyond you. Failure = Obama and his administration.
 

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It is Obama who crashes and burns almost on a daily basis. How did that Israeli election work out for him even though he went out of his way to influence it (perhaps illegally at that). Shit show you say, check out the list of scandals with the WH administration and Hillary's email fiasco. Dem's are being shown for what the really are. Obama is directly responsible for the change in the Senate majority and you still don't get it but then again you never will. Bottom line is that you lack intelligence and almost any and everything is beyond you. Failure = Obama and his administration.


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It is Obama who crashes and burns almost on a daily basis. How did that Israeli election work out for him even though he went out of his way to influence it (perhaps illegally at that). Shit show you say, check out the list of scandals with the WH administration and Hillary's email fiasco. Dem's are being shown for what the really are. Obama is directly responsible for the change in the Senate majority and you still don't get it but then again you never will. Bottom line is that you lack intelligence and almost any and everything is beyond you. Failure = Obama and his administration.

Hahaha, russ talking about intelligence. And Loomis backing him up. The entertainment level of this forum is at an all time high, lol. Whatever happen to Benghazi, hahaha.
 

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BO lies to the public, ignores the Constitution, inflames race relations
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Islamist terrorists slaughter their way across the Mideast.
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Premiums are higher, big deal, so what, they are affordable. I noticed that procedures were a bit cheaper now. Instead of paying $1,500 for a CT scan it's $800. I had a CT of abdomen done 3 years ago and it was $1500 and I had one done 2 months ago and it was $789. I think that is some type of progress.
 

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Premiums are higher, big deal, so what, they are affordable. I noticed that procedures were a bit cheaper now. Instead of paying $1,500 for a CT scan it's $800. I had a CT of abdomen done 3 years ago and it was $1500 and I had one done 2 months ago and it was $789. I think that is some type of progress.


I don't know a single person who actually works for a living who's premiums haven't risen significantly.

Fuck this Socialist POS.
 

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