JVG just said that if Cleveland wins the title it will be greatest upset in NBA history. Also said if LJ pulls this off its the greatest accomplishmen

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

I made both those statements on this forum about a week ago. Obviously I agree with him 100%.

If this happens you Lebron haters have some serious explaining to do.

Im not insulted by the fact that some of you think MJ may be greater then LJ.

But don't for one second say that anyone who feels otherwise is an idiot.

It is real close. There is not much separation between the 2.

If this happens it will be the greatest singular act in a team sport in the history of America.

PatsFan1283 · Jun 11, 2015

There really haven't been many NBA finals upsets. Odds wise there are some but usually by the time the series is over everyone pretty much agrees that the best team won.

Is this results oriented and somewhat flawed thinking? Yeah, but saying greatest upset in the NBA finals isn't really comparing it to much.

akphidelt · Jun 11, 2015

I agree 100%. This would be crazy, I haven't seen anything like it in 20+ years of watching the finals.

gskiman · Jun 11, 2015

CHOPTALK said:
I made both those statements on this forum about a week ago. Obviously I agree with him 100%.

If this happens you Lebron haters have some serious explaining to do.

Im not insulted by the fact that some of you think MJ may be greater then LJ.

But don't for one second say that anyone who feels otherwise is an idiot.

It is real close. There is not much separation between the 2.

If this happens it will be the greatest singular act in a team sport in the history of America.

At the same time, JVG said he still was picking GS in 6...

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

PatsFan1283 said:
There really haven't been many NBA finals upsets. Odds wise there are some but usually by the time the series is over everyone pretty much agrees that the best team won.

Is this results oriented and somewhat flawed thinking? Yeah, but saying greatest upset in the NBA finals isn't really comparing it to much.

Yea pretty much. But this finals will be the first where after it's over nobody will be saying "oh now I see why this team beat that team".

Its going to be like wtf happened?

So because of that there is no way to downplay it no matter what.

Just the fact that no major upsets have ever happened before and now there would be is accomplishment enough

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

gskiman said:
At the same time, JVG said he still was picking GS in 6...

Yes he did.

He did not predict that any of this stuff was going to happen.

He just said that if it happens it will be the greatest upset and accomplishment in NBA history.

PatsFan1283 · Jun 11, 2015

CHOPTALK said:
Yea pretty much. But this finals will be the first where after it's over nobody will be saying "oh now I see why this team beat that team".

Its going to be like wtf happened?

So because of that there is no way to downplay it no matter what.

Just the fact that no major upsets have ever happened before and now there would be is accomplishment enough

I'm not sure. There is a lot of basketball left to be played.

My guess is some narratives would come out of the series that would overshadow the magnitude of the upset. I.e GS not as good as people thought, LeBron 1 of the best so how can it be an upset, etc....

As weird as it sounds, it's magnitude might be a little clearer in future years depending on GS success level. Atleast perception wise.

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

Also without looking it up I would bet 1k blindly that the Cavs would be the first team ever to win an NBA title where they were the underdog in every game.

Murphy8276 · Jun 11, 2015

I think Lebron's greatness will completely overshadow just how big of an accomplishment it will be. Although he would have willed his team to win the title, he still is expected to do well so it doesn't appear all that amazing (even though it is clearly).

Hope he does bring home the ring.

-murph

gskiman · Jun 11, 2015

CHOPTALK said:
Also without looking it up I would bet 1k blindly that the Cavs would be the first team ever to win an NBA title where they were the underdog in every game.

What about 1995 when #6 seed Houston swept #1 seed Orlando? (The Dream diced the Shaq)

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

PatsFan1283 said:
I'm not sure. There is a lot of basketball left to be played.

My guess is some narratives would come out of the series that would overshadow the magnitude of the upset. I.e GS not as good as people thought, LeBron 1 of the best so how can it be an upset, etc....

As weird as it sounds, it's magnitude might be a little clearer in future years depending on GS success level. Atleast perception wise.

The only narrative you will see from everyone besides the MJ worshippers is that the only explanation is LJ pulled off the greatest singular act in team sports history.

Without Love, Erving, and LJ this is a 20 win team at best.

So that means he took a 20 win team against one of the best regular season teams of all time without home court and won the NBA title.

terps1313 · Jun 11, 2015

Weren't the Lakers a pretty big favorite over the Pistons in 04?

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

gskiman said:
What about 1995 when #6 seed Houston swept #1 seed Orlando? (The Dream diced the Shaq)

I don't know. I think there is a decent chance Houston would have been favored in game 3 or 4.

PatsFan1283 · Jun 11, 2015

terps1313 said:
Weren't the Lakers a pretty big favorite over the Pistons in 04?

Yeah terps but I'd imagine by the time game 5 rolled around that Det would've been a slight favorite that night. Not sure though.

terps1313 · Jun 11, 2015

PatsFan1283 said:
Yeah terps but I'd imagine by the time game 5 rolled around that Det would've been a slight favorite that night. Not sure though.

Yeah could be

PatsFan1283 · Jun 11, 2015

In terms of moneyline from start of the series though that was probably the biggest.

This 1 had Kyrie go down game 1. If he doesn't go down I think GS would've been like -350 to -450ish.

doubledeuce22 · Jun 11, 2015

We can debate 80/90s versus todays game all day long.. Doesn't matter..

GSW won 67 games in a loaded conference and Clev has two all stars hurt ........if Clev wins this will be lebrons signature moment of career and an all time nba upset.

Defying · Jun 11, 2015

I love JVG but that's a ridiculous statement.. in the NBA when you have the best player in the world, you have a chance (and they have a solid team of role players around him)

What I agree with is a victory here should make Lebron one of the best evers

CHOPTALK · Jun 11, 2015

Defying said:
I love JVG but that's a ridiculous statement.. in the NBA when you have the best player in the world, you have a chance (and they have a solid team of role players around him)

What I agree with is a victory here should make Lebron one of the best evers

Great roll players?
Come on now . I bet some of those plugs on Philly would be great roll players to if LJ was wearing a 76ers uni.
There is a reason they are great roll players.

Thats because the man makes them great roll players.

That dude is so awesome he could probably find a roll for me if I had a Cavs uni.
haha.

How many games in an 82 game season do you think these so called great roll players win in a season minus LJ, KE, and KL.

I bet all those great roll players would all of a sudden become not so great roll players

HarryCaray · Jun 11, 2015

CHOPTALK said:
Great roll players?
Come on now . I bet some of those plugs on Philly would be great roll players to if LJ was wearing a 76ers uni.
There is a reason they are great roll players.

Thats because the man makes them great roll players.

That dude is so awesome he could probably find a roll for me if I had a Cavs uni.
haha.

How many games in an 82 game season do you think these so called great roll players win in a season minus LJ, KE, and KL.

I bet all those great roll players would all of a sudden become not so great roll players

Confusing "roll" and "role" wasn't that bad...til you said the word 67 times in your post.

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