Division Winners Might Not Earn Playoff Spot If NBA Changes Playoff Format

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[h=1]NBA leaning toward not guaranteeing playoff spot for division champion[/h]ESPN.com news services

NEWARK, N.J. -- A division title might soon mean a banner but no assurance of a playoff spot in the NBA.
Commissioner Adam Silver said Wednesday the league is leaning toward not guaranteeing a postseason berth to a team that wins its division, forcing clubs to finish in the top eight of their conference if they want a shot at the title.


Silver had already said he expected a change from the current format that guarantees division winners no worse than the No. 4 seed. But after discussions with both the competition committee and board of governors, he believes the change will go further than that.
"First of all, it's never happened before that a division winner did not finish within the top eight, and our basketball analytics folks calculate that there's less than a 5 percent chance that it would happen," he said before taking part in a panel discussion at the Beyond Sport United program.
"Where we are leaning right now is that we would not guarantee a spot for a division winner in part because it's so unlikely to happen, and No. 2 if it does happen it would be potentially confusing to fans. No. 3, you would be displacing a team that did have a top-eight record."
Portland got the No. 4 seed in the Western Conference last season by winning the Northwest Division, but the Trail Blazers would have been seeded sixth by win-loss record.
As a result, the Los Angeles Clippers and San Antonio Spurs, two teams vying for the second seed on the last night of the season, met in the first round of the playoffs.
That sparked new calls to throw out the protection for division winners, and Silver said after the owners' annual summer meeting in Las Vegas that change was coming, though they wanted more time before voting on it.
"So while we're going to continue to discuss it a little bit more -- we need to make a decision before the preseason begins -- I think the greater likelihood is we will not be guaranteeing a spot to a division winner," he said Wednesday.
 

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I don't like it.

Division winners in any sport should always be rewarded with a playoff spot.

After that, if you like, then award the remaining best records, even if they all fall in the same division...
 

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The NFL should do the same.....the best 6 teams in the NFC & AFC should go to.the playoffs, not just teams winning the division....like an 7-9 team winning division.

I think the NFL will be adding another 2 teams from each side for playoffs soon.....a total of 8 on each side :)
 

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If a division winner does not make the playoffs what is the point in having a division then?
 

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What they should do is have 2 big conferences with no divisions like baseball did back in the day.


Just take the top 8 teams in both conferences .

No divisions needed.

If you are not going to reward division winners you might as well not have divisions.
 

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Division winners never would miss the playoffs in the NBA regardless. It is moreso just to change seeding.

But yes, divisions are kinda antiquated. 1 of those things that we do because well "it's always been that way!"
 

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I don't like it.

Division winners in any sport should always be rewarded with a playoff spot.

After that, if you like, then award the remaining best records, even if they all fall in the same division...

Help me out here.

Thats exactly what they do now unless I'm reading you wrong
 

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I don't care what sport it is......You win your division you should be a play-off team....Period!......Bullshit format.
 

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Who was the last NBA team to win their division that wouldn't have made the playoffs under the new format?
 

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Division winners never would miss the playoffs in the NBA regardless. It is moreso just to change seeding.

But yes, divisions are kinda antiquated. 1 of those things that we do because well "it's always been that way!"


This is my proposal.

Yes I agree with you divisions are outdated .

But there is still a purpose for conferences.
So you can't get rid of conferences but you can get rid of divisions.

My proposal would keep conferences but elimate some of the negatives of the conference.

1)No divisions
2) Keep east and west conference
3) Top 5 teams in each conference guaranteed playoff spot.
4) After the first 10 teams have their spots from #4 the remaining 6 teams make the playoffs regardless of what conference they are in.

This could mean that all 6 remaining playoff teams could come from on conference.

This preserves part of the integrity of the conference structure which is still needed and at the same time it kicks out the bad teams in the lower conference in favor of more deserving teams in the better conference.
 

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This is my proposal.

Yes I agree with you divisions are outdated .

But there is still a purpose for conferences.
So you can't get rid of conferences but you can get rid of divisions.

My proposal would keep conferences but elimate some of the negatives of the conference.

1)No divisions
2) Keep east and west conference
3) Top 5 teams in each conference guaranteed playoff spot.
4) After the first 10 teams have their spots from #4 the remaining 6 teams make the playoffs regardless of what conference they are in.

This could mean that all 6 remaining playoff teams could come from on conference.

This preserves part of the integrity of the conference structure which is still needed and at the same time it kicks out the bad teams in the lower conference in favor of more deserving teams in the better conference.

Every sport is different but for basketball the way the conferences setup allows the networks to have isolated games at specific timeslots on all nights. I.e 7 or 8pm then 930 or 1030pm EST.

So with the TV being what it is as far as rights fees go, they want this to be setup optimally.
 

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Every sport is different but for basketball the way the conferences setup allows the networks to have isolated games at specific timeslots on all nights. I.e 7 or 8pm then 930 or 10pm EST.

So with the TV being what it is, they want this to be setup optimally.


Yes agree.
Cant get rid of conferences that's why my proposal keeps them in place while trying to offset some of the negatives .
 

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Yeah I suppose.

The division winner thing is pretty irrelevant though. All that will do is reseed a team like Portland from 4 to 6 so the Spurs/Clippers don't have to play rd 1. Stuff like that. It would be an very big outlier for a division winner to miss the playoffs, I can't even recall the last time it would be applicable.
 

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Yeah I suppose.

The division winner thing is pretty irrelevant though. All that will do is reseed a team like Portland from 4 to 6 so the Spurs/Clippers don't have to play rd 1. Stuff like that. It would be an very big outlier for a division winner to miss the playoffs, I can't even recall the last time it would be applicable.

Yes that never happened in the NBA.
It would have happened many times in the NFL with the 4 team divisions .

The main problem the NBA has right now is the final 4 eastern teams that make the playoffs vs the final 4 western teams that miss the playoffs.

The proposals that they are putting on the table isn't even solving the problem that they are trying to solve.
 

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Yes that never happened in the NBA.
It would have happened many times in the NFL with the 4 team divisions .

The main problem the NBA has right now is the final 4 eastern teams that make the playoffs vs the final 4 western teams that miss the playoffs.

The proposals that they are putting on the table isn't even solving the problem that they are trying to solve.

Because they're not really trying to solve it. They're just trying to solve the issue of a team like Portland being the 4 seed.
 

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They need to have a selection committee and pick the best 16 teams and seed them - it's near 20 years where the East keeps sending teams to the finals by default
 

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