Seattle sees fallout from $15 minimum wage, as other cities follow suit

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Seattle’s $15 minimum wage law is supposed to lift workers out of poverty and move them off public assistance. But there may be a hitch in the plan.

Evidence is surfacing that some workers are asking their bosses for fewer hours as their wages rise – in a bid to keep overall income down so they don’t lose public subsidies for things like food, child care and rent.

Full Life Care, a home nursing nonprofit, told KIRO-TV in Seattle that several workers want to work less.

“If they cut down their hours to stay on those subsidies because the $15 per hour minimum wage didn’t actually help get them out of poverty, all you’ve done is put a burden on the business and given false hope to a lot of people,” said Jason Rantz, host of the Jason Rantz show on 97.3 KIRO-FM.

The twist is just one apparent side effect of the controversial -- yet trendsetting -- minimum wage law in Seattle, which is being copied in several other cities despite concerns over prices rising and businesses struggling to keep up.

The notion that employees are intentionally working less to preserve their welfare has been a hot topic on talk radio. While the claims are difficult to track, state stats indeed suggest few are moving off welfare programs under the new wage.

Despite a booming economy throughout western Washington, the state’s welfare caseload has dropped very little since the higher wage phase began in Seattle in April. In March 130,851 people were enrolled in the Basic Food program. In April, the caseload dropped to 130,376.

At the same time, prices appear to be going up on just about everything.

Some restaurants have tacked on a 15 percent surcharge to cover the higher wages. And some managers are no longer encouraging customers to tip, leading to a redistribution of income. Workers in the back of the kitchen, such as dishwashers and cooks, are getting paid more, but servers who rely on tips are seeing a pay cut.

Some long-time Seattle restaurants have closed altogether, though none of the owners publicly blamed the minimum wage law.

“It’s what happens when the government imposes a restriction on the labor market that normally wouldn’t be there, and marginal businesses get hit the hardest, and usually those are small, neighborhood businesses,” said Paul Guppy, of the Washington Policy Center.

Seattle was followed by San Francisco and Los Angeles in passing a $15 minimum wage law. The wage is being phased in over several years to give businesses time to adjust. The current minimum wage in Seattle is $11. In San Francisco, it’s $12.25.

And it is spreading. Beyond the city of Los Angeles, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors this week also approved a $15 minimum wage.

New York state could be next, with the state Wage Board on Wednesday backing a $15 wage for fast-food workers, something Gov. Andrew Cuomo has supported.

Already, though, there are unintended consequences in other cities.

Comix Experience, a small book store in downtown San Francisco, has begun selling graphic novel club subscriptions in order to meet payroll. The owner, Brian Hibbs, admits members are not getting all that much for their $25 per month dues, but their “donation” is keeping him in business.

“I was looking at potentially having to close the store down and then how would I make my living?” Hibbs asked.

To date, he’s sold 228 subscriptions. He says he needs 334 to reach his goal of the $80,000 income required to cover higher labor costs. He doesn’t blame San Francisco voters for approving the $15 minimum wage, but he doesn’t think they had all the information needed to make a good decision.
 

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Now it's too much money and not enough at the same time...LOL.

So,instead of working 2 jobs @15 an hour to make ends meet or asking for more hours, you want to work less to continue burning through my tax money.

When does the bleeding stop?

Where`s Donald?
 

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Some restaurants have tacked on a 15 percent surcharge to cover the higher wages. And some managers are no longer encouraging customers to tip, leading to a redistribution of income..... but servers who rely on tips are seeing a pay cut.....

Somebody has to get the short end of the stick.....The Waitresses are shit out of luck.

Now that`s some funny shit...LMAO
 

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Now it's too much money and not enough at the same time...LOL.

So,instead of working 2 jobs @15 an hour to make ends meet or asking for more hours, you want to work less to continue burning through my tax money.

When does the bleeding stop?

Where`s Donald?

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Besides....Most of us have had enough bad experiences with places like fast food joints with the pure stupidity & lack of common sense and the exact reason such people work there & don't deserve any more than they already make...
 

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Lotta Single mom Waitress out there, might have to take to the pole
 

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Going from 7.50 to $9-10 or whatever in big cities is fine but $15 is way too high. Throws the entire labor market out of whack.

The problem with raising it is once you do that, how do you go back if it fails? If you wanna raise it then have it be $9 to 10 to 10.50, etc...To just go from 9 to 15 is way too big of a leap.

What NY is trying to do by raising it in only 1 industry is even more bizarre.

The AI might fix this issue very quickly.
 

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Another problem that will be looming is that public sector employees base their wages at ($X) amount above minimum wage. The Unions must be licking their chops waiting for negotiations to begin for new contracts in that area.

Wages will have to jump up for all of them as well.
 

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Minimun wage= minimun skills...If you want to really see the stupidity of these kids and minimun wage earners, if your bill is $7.73, give them $13.03 and watch them freak out..it's like they ran out of fingers and toes or something..they have absolutely no basic math skills anymore
 

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Minimun wage= minimun skills...If you want to really see the stupidity of these kids and minimun wage earners, if your bill is $7.73, give them $13.03 and watch them freak out..it's like they ran out of fingers and toes or something..they have absolutely no basic math skills anymore



Exactly & kind of my point also further above...
 

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jobs at fast food restaurants were never intended to be jobs to support families, the target market is 16 year old kids just entering the jobs market

hence, the whole premise of such an argument is so damn idiotic to begin with

and labor unions' members with automatic pay raises based on minimum wage increases are sure looking to benefit from a major windfall



the people these benefits are supposed to help will soon see their unemployment numbers rise, while others stand to lose welfare benefits so they'll quit their jobs

it's also mindbogglingly that political douche-bags have no clue about things that cause both unemployment AND inflation, yet they manage to obtain positions of authority
 

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give people less, they will do more.
Give people more, they will do less.

Have any of these people taken an economic course?

20 years ago when I was in high school McDonald's was packed with kids trying to make their weekend spending money.
Now there are grown ass man and woman trying to support a family. Yikes.
 

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Have any of these people taken an economic course?

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Very few of these people pressing the McNugget button on the screen have any basic understanding of economics. One of them was quoted yesterday as saying moving to $15 an hour will get her out of poverty. Keep in mind she lives in New York.

 

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Have any of these people taken an economic course?

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Very few of these people pressing the McNugget button on the screen have any basic understanding of economics. One of them was quoted yesterday as saying moving to $15 an hour will get her out of poverty. Keep in mind she lives in New York.

i was referring to the politicians who came up with the increase.
 

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Agree with everyone in this thread.

1. Fast food jobs are not meant to support families and be careers

2. The damage a 15 dollar minimum wage does to the economy as a whole is massive



Also, 15 an hour at just 40 hours is 600 bucks a week. There are plenty of people with college educations working corporate positions not making that or just barely making that




This county is heading in the wrong direction
 

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