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    Because right now it seems like the entire forum is on Carolina
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    Because right now it seems like the entire forum is on Carolina
    There's your case right there.

    Besides that, analytical reasons include Denver having enough speed and skill on defense to be able to play man coverage on the outside against Carolina's bad WR core and use Miller to spy Newton to neutralize his legs.

    Read somewhere today that teams with the #1 defense in the league are 9-2 all time in the SB.

    On the other side of the ball, I think they can move the ball against Carolina's middle-of-the-pack pass D, simply based on Manning's guile alone. He looked pretty damn sharp in the 1H yesterday.

    I have Carolina in a future and I still like Denver in this game, especially with 4.5 points. Loving all this public drooling over Carolina, going to give me some nice middling opps.
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    can't make a case....

    Denver extremely lucky to be in the big game...
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    Peytons immobility maybe an issue...
    This Panthers team is getting a lot of pressure and they aren't blitzing. IF Thomas Davis being out is a problem for Carolina. he makes Luke Kuechly. He's the best defensive player on this team. I'm worried about Dthomas ability, even with Norman on him. I'm worried about Sanders in the slot. Carolina DLine must win the battle or they will lose.

    But Denvers defense matchs up well with anyone. Carolina is the top scoring team in the NFL, but not in the traditional sense. It's a play action offense that takes advantage of Cam's huge arm. But I love, love, love Denver's Corners. Denver can fall for the play action and not get burnt.

    But the most important thing for Denver will be the run stopping ability. I think they will really slow down Carolina's offense, which says a lot. This Panthers offense is completely reliant on the running game. They run the ball the most in the NFL, and are dead last in % of pass plays. Shocking for the number 1 scoring team in the NFL.... This game absolutely boils down to Denver vs the Run

    Carolina runs a lot of different schemes. It's a very complicated run offense, but the 2 weeks to prepare could take away all that advantage. Denvers defense allows 3.3 ypc, lowest in the NFL. Ugh, this is a major problem for my Panthers

    Denver wins this game outright, unfortunately.
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    Carolina...CRUSHES...sorry
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    Newton's 1st SB, the nerves.

    I'm not buying it either, but Denver will have to make it ugly. Denver/under parlay, very correlated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIEJO DINOSAUR View Post
    can't make a case....

    Denver extremely lucky to be in the big game...
    VD.

    Great poster. Legendary.

    Never been confused with being sharp though. At least when it comes to picking winners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    Because right now it seems like the entire forum is on Carolina
    Cerebral quarterback and a punishing defense .. Denver ML +180.. don't over think it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCaray View Post
    There's your case right there.

    Besides that, analytical reasons include Denver having enough speed and skill on defense to be able to play man coverage on the outside against Carolina's bad WR core and use Miller to spy Newton to neutralize his legs.

    Read somewhere today that teams with the #1 defense in the league are 9-2 all time in the SB.

    On the other side of the ball, I think they can move the ball against Carolina's middle-of-the-pack pass D, simply based on Manning's guile alone. He looked pretty damn sharp in the 1H yesterday.

    I have Carolina in a future and I still like Denver in this game, especially with 4.5 points. Loving all this public drooling over Carolina, going to give me some nice middling opps.
    We're thinking the same on this, hoping to see 5 or 6, but have a feeling this game closes at 4 on game day. Line should be around 3, 3.5 IMO.
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    Denver's defense is the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defying View Post
    Peytons immobility maybe an issue...
    This Panthers team is getting a lot of pressure and they aren't blitzing. Thomas Davis being out is a problem for Carolina. he makes Luke Kuechly. He's the best defensive player on this team. I'm worried about Dthomas ability, even with Norman on him. I'm worried about Sanders in the slot. Carolina DLine must win the battle or they will lose.

    But Denvers defense matchs up well with anyone. Carolina is the top scoring team in the NFL, but not in the traditional sense. It's a play action offense that takes advantage of Cam's huge arm. But I love, love, love Denver's Corners. Denver can fall for the play action and not get burnt.

    But the most important thing for Denver will be the run stopping ability. I think they will really slow down Carolina's offense, which says a lot. This Panthers offense is completely reliant on the running game. They run the ball the most in the NFL, and are dead last in % of pass plays. Shocking for the number 1 scoring team in the NFL.... This game absolutely boils down to Denver vs the Run

    Carolina runs a lot of different schemes. It's a very complicated run offense, but the 2 weeks to prepare could take away all that advantage. Denvers defense allows 3.3 ypc, lowest in the NFL. Ugh, this is a major problem for my Panthers

    Denver wins this game outright, unfortunately.
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    the creation of this thread....
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    Cam Newton's QB rating is 53 points lower under pressure. The average is 27. Newton beat up on bad teams and played bad against mediocre defenses.

    Newton's average in the game, average team rating against.

    Teams with a QB rating over 100:
    TB 139.3, average against 102.3
    TB 97.5, 102.3
    NO 122.1, 116.2
    NO 119.7, 116.2
    Tenn 114.3, 101.1

    Teams with an average QB rating under 93:
    Hou 71.3, 83.4
    Sea 65.6, 79.6
    Phil 59.2, 92.8
    Dallas 79.7, 94.2
    Indy 76.8, 88

    Newton hasn't played the top defenses:
    KC 74.2
    Den 77.7
    Cinc 78.6
    Jets 79.0
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    Takes 2 weeks to adjust to left coast they will only be out there for 6 days
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    Quote Originally Posted by VIEJO DINOSAUR View Post
    can't make a case....

    Denver extremely lucky to be in the big game...

    We must have watched different games, not sure how Denver got extremely lucky.
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    If Trent Dilfer can win a SB with a great D, why cant Peyton?

    All Manning has to do is manage the game.

    Cam is good for at least 2 picks.

    Peyton, no TO's in his last three games

    Von Miller should be MVP
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCaray View Post
    Excellent post
    Misinformation and all...
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    If the OP played Carolina...I kid, I kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMatt View Post
    Misinformation and all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarryCaray View Post
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    Well, to start, Thomas Davis isn't ruled "out"...
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    Can't really include he "makes" Luke because that is an opinion, but I think he just "completes" him as Luke's stats are better, actually...
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    51% rushing to 49% passing...Ooh, big difference. lol Balanced attack = #1 scoring team in the NFL. not surprising at all.
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    Denver's pass rush
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMatt View Post
    Well, to start, Thomas Davis isn't ruled "out"...
    I added IF, this was written less than 24 hours after the game...

    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMatt View Post
    Can't really include he "makes" Luke because that is an opinion, but I think he just "completes" him as Luke's stats are better, actually...
    Definitely opinionated... But yes, I think Completes him is better phrase..


    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMatt View Post
    51% rushing to 49% passing...Ooh, big difference. lol Balanced attack = #1 scoring team in the NFL. not surprising at all.

    Um..... it is surprising...
    They RUN the Ball most in the League
    They Pass the Ball LEAST in the League..

    How many times you think in the HISTORY of the NFL that has happened thats the number 1 scoring team in the NFL, much less in modern day NFL??
    It is definitely surprising and not in an opinionated but, factual
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyMatt View Post
    51% rushing to 49% passing...Ooh, big difference. lol Balanced attack = #1 scoring team in the NFL. not surprising at all.
    49% passing is dead last in the NFL .. Average is about 60%... You can go back to 2003, before this "modern" NFL and 49% is still one of the bottom in the NFL.

    So Here's the #32 Ranked team in Passing % and how they finished in PPG

    2014 Texans Ranked 14th ppg
    2013 Seattle 8th ppg
    2012 Seattle 9th ppg
    2011 Denver 25th ppg
    2010 KC 12th ppg
    2009 NYJ 17th ppg
    2008 Baltimore 10th
    2007 Tenn 21st ppg
    2006 Atlanta 26th ppg
    2005 Pittsburgh 9th ppg

    So Yes, in the last 10 Years the team that ranks 32nd in passing percentage averages exactly 15th in the NFL. An Average NFL offense. The highest I can see is seattle 8th
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