Apple CEO Tim Cook said the company will oppose a federal judge's order to help the Justice Department unlock a phone used by a suspect in the San Ber

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Apple Inc. AAPL, +1.53% Chief Executive Tim Cook said in a sharp online letter that the company will oppose a federal judge’s order to help unlock a San Bernardino, Calif. attacker’s phone.

“Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case,” Cook wrote. “We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal.”

So what more did the FBI ask for that Cook is outright refusing? Here’s a breakdown of what exactly the feds wanted from Apple and why Cook said no:
The U.S. magistrate asked Apple to provide “reasonable technical assistance” for law enforcement to bypass or disable certain security features.

In practice, and as noted by the court document and Cook’s letter, that means Apple would have to create a new version of the iPhone operating system and purposefully change or kill the security option that prompts a phone to erase all data and reset if the incorrect password is entered 10 times.



Apple to oppose judge's order to unlock iPhone

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Why does the FBI need that function to go away? Investigators need to unlock the phone to see what evidence they can find on it. The 10-time limit means investigators need to wait around before reattempting password combinations so they don’t wipe the phone’s contents while trying to crack it. Each attempt at guessing a six-digit password takes about 80 milliseconds, which means it would take more than 5.5 years to try all possible combinations, according to an Apple guide to iOS security. And that’s just if the password is six digits: iPhones support four-digit, six-digit and longer passcodes. Getting rid of this kind of security roadblock would “provide the fastest-possible route for the FBI” to get into the phone, says Matthew Green, a cryptographer and Johns Hopkins University professor.
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The court says “Apple’s reasonable technical assistance” should accomplish three things: Get rid of the self-destruct after 10 tries feature, make it such that the codes can be entered electronically by connecting the phone to another device (so the FBI doesn’t have to hand-enter each passcode) and get rid of any potential delays between password guesses.
Cook doesn’t think that’s reasonable.

“In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession,” he wrote.

“And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.”

If Apple finds this request to be “unreasonably burdensome,” it can ask the court to reverse it within five business days, the magistrate’s order says. Cook’s letter makes it clear Apple plans to do just that.
 
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if this report was never published or hit the media, who would fucking care or who would know, just help on this one terrorists phone and shut up, to be honest, this should of been opened with the help of apple first couple days of investigation, why the drama, they don't fight fair, why the need democracy and legal rights. what am I missing.
 

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Shouldn`t even be an issue to unlock that phone....Unbelievable.
 

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my guess is they unlocked that phone and already have everything off it they want or need.

this is just a way to make people think their Iphone is a safe haven.

it's also a way to get lawmakers to write new laws that forbid the creation of anything that cannot be de-encrypted.
 

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Lmao......we all know their phones were unlicked & thoroughly checked threw, bogus article trying to make us all warm & fuzzy in protection of everyone's rights.
 

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if this report was never published or hit the media, who would fucking care or who would know, just help on this one terrorists phone and shut up, to be honest, this should of been opened with the help of apple first couple days of investigation, why the drama, they don't fight fair, why the need democracy and legal rights. what am I missing.
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I stand with Apple here. It would be one thing if Apple had the info and the FBI just wanted what they had but they want Apple to basically invent a new product that could in fact hurt their company very badly if it ever got into the wrong hands. I don't trust our government with a lemonade stand and you think I'm going to trust them with what amounts to a key to every iphone they have in their possession. It starts off as just this one guys phone, next thing you know some rouge cop is downloading your wife's nudie pics from your phone. (exaggeration there but you get the idea)
Point is one of Apples biggest selling points is that their system is virtually unhackable and virus proof and you want them to voluntarily hack their own system. Umm no thanks.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
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I stand with Apple here. It would be one thing if Apple had the info and the FBI just wanted what they had but they want Apple to basically invent a new product that could in fact hurt their company very badly if it ever got into the wrong hands. I don't trust our government with a lemonade stand and you think I'm going to trust them with what amounts to a key to every iphone they have in their possession. It starts off as just this one guys phone, next thing you know some rouge cop is downloading your wife's nudie pics from your phone. (exaggeration there but you get the idea)
Point is one of Apples biggest selling points is that their system is virtually unhackable and virus proof and you want them to voluntarily hack their own system. Umm no thanks.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
-Benjamin Franklin

Ya...Would set a bad precedent.

If Apple creates a backdoor for the gov't to access phones for this one case, then what else will the gov't want? No guarantee it is just used for terrorists or this one time.

Potentially huge encroachment on our civil liberties.
 

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Ya...Would set a bad precedent.

If Apple creates a backdoor for the gov't to access phones for this one case, then what else will the gov't want? No guarantee it is just used for terrorists or this one time.

Potentially huge encroachment on our civil liberties.

Some people get it.
 

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You don't think the gov't already has the ability to access all and any data from any device with a data connection?
 

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Apparently not or they wouldn't be trying to jam up Apple. Apple's iOS is known for being difficult to hack.

If this becomes a big issue then it could catapult McAfee's electability just like immigration was the initial reason for Trump's rise.
 

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Ya...Would set a bad precedent.

If Apple creates a backdoor for the gov't to access phones for this one case, then what else will the gov't want? No guarantee it is just used for terrorists or this one time.

Potentially huge encroachment on our civil liberties.

They can stand there all day and say, we only want it for this one phone but i dont believe a single thing the gov. says at this point. Good for Tim Cook, I hope they end up winning this even though I doubt they do.

What really surprised me today was hearing all the republicans (and I think all the GOP candidates) talk about how Apple should give it up. The party that is supposed to be for protecting our civil liberties wants to give them away. I believe I did hear Limbaugh and Glen Beck on the side of Apple but there wasn't many
 

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Another issue is that if the Apple were to cede this to FBI then you can bet Russia and China will be watching.

And they won't be using the data to "catch terrorists", let's put it that way.
 

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I don't understand why they can't create a one time software and then destroy it but apparently the government wants the software even after they hack into the phone.
 

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this is all BULL**** APPLE can give them all the infos they want (numbers) without having to reveal any secret that apple is dearly fighting for. Is the FBI just trying to flex some muscles and follow on the steps of former president bush in denying the americans liberties (thats my 2 cents)
 

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Apple shouldn't give them anything; anyone who thinks this will only be used against terrorists is dreaming.

Not only that, it would destroy their company over night. Sure many Americans don't care about these things, but Apple products are global, I'm sure China would possibly ban their products, and most of Europe would stop buying their stuff.
 

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I stand with Apple here. It would be one thing if Apple had the info and the FBI just wanted what they had but they want Apple to basically invent a new product that could in fact hurt their company very badly if it ever got into the wrong hands. I don't trust our government with a lemonade stand and you think I'm going to trust them with what amounts to a key to every iphone they have in their possession. It starts off as just this one guys phone, next thing you know some rouge cop is downloading your wife's nudie pics from your phone. (exaggeration there but you get the idea)
Point is one of Apples biggest selling points is that their system is virtually unhackable and virus proof and you want them to voluntarily hack their own system. Umm no thanks.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
-Benjamin Franklin




The freedom & liberties we the people will lose in the future would have our parents rolling over in their graves.......its only gonna get worse & the excuse will be the govt is fighting terrorism.

Is terrorism real? Absolutely.......& we should be fighting g it, but not at the expense of our freedom & rights as US citizens........just look at 9-11, a ton of our rights went right out the window because of what happened.........perfect excuse for the govt?

Don't be surprised when you have to give your DNA when you update your license in the future......all in the name of crime fighting.......so many good things, but so many bad things that could happen with voluntarily having people giving up their DNA.........& Apple giving the govt a way into every IPhone spells disaster.
 

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