Poll: 37% of Trump supporters disapprove or unsure of Emancipation Proclamation

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

With 20% outright disapproving and another 17% saying they don't know if the support the Emancipation Proclamation....

20+17=37%

So More than 1/3rd of all Trump Supporters are unsure if they would support freeing the slaves...

Question Trump supporters..
1. Do you approve of the Emancipation Proclamation?
2. Are you not bothered that 37% of the people that back your guy feel this way?? Legitimately asking

rolltide · Feb 25, 2016

not a trump supporter and don't know how question was phrased but the constitutionality of the Emancipation Proclamation has been debated for >150 years ... "do you approve" is a pretty goofy way to phrase a serious question if that is, in fact, how it was presented. Lincoln himself hinted that he believed this was unconstitutional but thought executive action had to be taken. Some would see that as an abuse of power even 150+ years later

CarolinaKid · Feb 25, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yupu8DE6vzw

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

rolltide said:
not a trump supporter and don't know how question was phrased but the constitutionality of the Emancipation Proclamation has been debated for >150 years ... "do you approve" is a pretty goofy way to phrase a serious question if that is, in fact, how it was presented. Lincoln himself hinted that he believed this was unconstitutional but thought executive action had to be taken. Some would see that as an abuse of power even 150+ years later

strong answer.

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

Defying said:
With 20% outright disapproving and another 17% saying they don't know if the support the Emancipation Proclamation....

20+17=37%

So More than 1/3rd of all Trump Supporters are unsure if they would support freeing the slaves...

Question Trump supporters..
1. Do you approve of the Mancipation Proclamation?
2. Are you not bothered that 37% of the people that back your guy feel this way?? Legitimately asking

A YouGov/Economist poll asked readers if they approved or disapproved of "the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government," also known as the Emancipation Proclamation.
About 1 in 5 Trump supporters polled in this particular YouGov/Economist poll said they disapproved of it. An additional 17 percent said they "weren't sure."

jamesbong · Feb 25, 2016

Shouldn't this drivel be moved to the Poli forum?

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

jamesbong said:
I tried to click the link to your source but it doesn't work. I am sure it is a reputable one though and it was a properly conducted poll. I would bet 50%+ of Americans would answer incorrectly if asked what was the Emancipation Proclamation so the poll is just stupid to begin with.

Shouldn't this drivel be moved to the Poli forum?

This story was around yesterday, and I just dismissed it as foolery... but I saw more trusted new sources covering it.. ie, NYTIMES, Local Fox Stations...

thus far, https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ctucuikdsj/econToplines.pdf this is the only source I have of the actual poll... But it omitted 21 questions, including the one in question

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/25/upshot/measuring-donald-trumps-supporters-for-intolerance.html

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

and it's not just that question that raises this point...

"Similarly, YouGov data reveal that a third of Mr. Trump’s (and Mr. Cruz’s) backers believe that Japanese internment during World War II was a good idea, while roughly 10 percent of Mr. Rubio’s and Mr. Kasich’s supporters do. Mr. Trump’s coalition is also more likely to disagree with the desegregation of the military (which was ordered in 1948 by Harry Truman) than other candidates’ supporters are."

"The P.P.P. poll asked voters if they thought whites were a superior race. Most Republican primary voters in South Carolina — 78 percent — disagreed with this idea (10 percent agreed and 11 percent weren’t sure). But among Mr. Trump’s supporters, only 69 percent disagreed. Mr. Carson’s voters were the most opposed to the notion (99 percent), followed by Mr. Kasich and Mr. Cruz’s supporters at 92 and 89 percent. Mr. Rubio’s backers were close to the average level of disagreement (76 percent)."

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

rolltide said:
not a trump supporter and don't know how question was phrased but the constitutionality of the Emancipation Proclamation has been debated for >150 years ... "do you approve" is a pretty goofy way to phrase a serious question if that is, in fact, how it was presented. Lincoln himself hinted that he believed this was unconstitutional but thought executive action had to be taken. Some would see that as an abuse of power even 150+ years later

However, Only 5% of Rubio backers felt the same way..
So it's not really supporting that theory

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

Defying said:
However, Only 5% of Rubio backers felt the same way..
So it's not really supporting that theory

this shows that it's not a "republican issues" or a "democratic bias" but instead a true indication of who is supporting Trump... I'm not, and I repeat, I'm not saying that if you support Trump that you are one of these people, but more raising the question if you are a trump supporter and find that statistic as bothersome as I do, how do you justify backing that person

buddyboy · Feb 25, 2016

i just read all the questions...

the words Emancipation Proclamation do not appear in the questions.

they ask if you approve or disapprove of the executive order which...

1. Freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government.

2. Created military exclusion zones during World War II and allowed for the forcible relocation of Americans of Japanese descent to internment camps.

3. Desegregated the U.S. military

4. Restricted all non-governmental organizations that receive federal funding from performing or promoting abortion services as a method of family planning in foreign countries

and so on and so on...

the same percentage of people who answered do you think exec orders are constitutional? "not sure" is the same "not sure" for all these questions..

polls

lol

slapshot · Feb 25, 2016

jamesbong said:
Shouldn't this drivel be moved to the Poli forum?

buddyboy · Feb 25, 2016

the most important question/answer to look at in this poll is the following: Do you think exec orders are constitutional? 21% say no, 16% say not sure.

if you are in the 21% that say no, how can you approve of any executive orders in the past? and if you are the 16% that are not sure, you still need to be not sure about any exec orders from the past.

it's not like they asked them if they thought slavery was ok, or if locking up Japanese was a good idea... they were asking if using exec order was the right way to do it.

Do you approve of people using money they robbed from a bank to pay their bills?

if you answer no it doesn't mean you are against bill paying.

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

jamesbong said:
Shouldn't this drivel be moved to the Poli forum?

then i should move all the pro-trump threads to poli?

tatehill2000 · Feb 25, 2016

DEFY,,, whats missing in this is how many were black that said no??<<

hahahha

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

buddyboy said:
the most important question/answer to look at in this poll is the following: Do you think exec orders are constitutional? 21% say no, 16% say not sure.

if you are in the 21% that say no, how can you approve of any executive orders in the past? and if you are the 16% that are not sure, you still need to be not sure about any exec orders from the past.

it's not like they asked them if they thought slavery was ok, or if locking up Japanese was a good idea... they were asking if using exec order was the right way to do it.

Do you approve of people using money they robbed from a bank to pay their bills?

if you answer no it doesn't mean you are against bill paying.

Fair enough. but it's just a piece of the pattern..

Okay, so in SC exit polling, it was asked do you believe White People are a superior race... This as bold as the question can be right..... 78% overall Said no...

Yet only 69% of Trump Supporters said no... Given Trump had a 1/3rd of the total votes.. Its simple to see that a majority of the people that feel that way, voted for Trump...

MantisToboggan · Feb 25, 2016

Defying said:
Fair enough. but it's just a piece of the pattern..

Okay, so in SC exit polling, it was asked do you believe White People are a superior race... This as bold as the question can be right..... 78% overall Said no...

Yet only 69% of Trump Supporters said no... Given Trump had a 1/3rd of the total votes.. Its simple to see that a majority of the people that feel that way, voted for Trump...

It is insane that anyone would ask that question as part of exit polling and expect honest responses. We've seen instances where white voters lie about who they vote for because they are afraid to admit they aren't voting for non-white candidates.

PatsFan1283 · Feb 25, 2016

Mantis Toboggan said:
It is insane that anyone would ask that question as part of exit polling and expect honest responses. We've seen instances where white voters lie about who they vote for because they are afraid to admit they aren't voting for non-white candidates.

Why would someone lie about white people being the superior race though? Any trend of dishonesty would go in the other direction. They wouldn't admit something like that in an exit poll.

Defying · Feb 25, 2016

PatsFan1283 said:
Why would someone lie about white people being the superior race though? Any trend of dishonesty would go in the other direction. They wouldn't admit something like that in an exit poll.

exactly

MantisToboggan · Feb 25, 2016

PatsFan1283 said:
Why would someone lie about white people being the superior race though? Any trend of dishonesty would go in the other direction. They wouldn't admit something like that in an exit poll.

My comment wasn't intended to say Defying's point was incorrect. My intention was simply to say I think it's ridiculous to ask the question in the first place and expect valuable data.

All that said, if I wanted to make the point that this exit poll is useless in pushing Defying's agenda, I would point out that I think it's likely that anti-PC Trump voters are less likely to lie in that situation than Rubio or Cruz voters.

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