Is the B-12 aimng to snatch a Pac-12 team?

Conan · Jul 23, 2016

[h=1](Maybe Neuweasel won't be surprised but I would be.)

Rick Neuheisel won't be shocked if the Big12 grabs a Pac-12 team[/h]

(Photo: 247Sports) Could a Pac-12 school leave the conference and join the Big-12? Former UCLA head coach Rick Neuheisel speculated on Thursday that very possibility on his SiriusXM radio show.
The former UCLA, Washington, and Colorado's head coach said that he wouldn't be shocked if UCLA tried to get out from underneath USC's shadow and bolt for the Big -12.
"I wouldn’t be surprised to see UCLA say, "You know what? This deal with this USC thing? We’re gonna go and be our own guy, rather than always tied to the school here in Los Angeles." It wouldn’t shock me at all," said Neuheisel. "I don’t have any inside information. I’m just saying from outside looking in."
The move to the Big-12 would certainly be an interesting move and something we have seen before between conference rivals. Texas A&M wanted to get out and be away from Texas in the Big-12, and they bolted to the SEC.
While the move would certainly check off a lot of financial checkboxes from TV and other areas, the move seems pretty crazy for UCLA.
Football season can't get here soon enough.

RunLeeRun · Jul 23, 2016

Some people have been saying for a while that the Pac-12 is vulnerable (me included). The football fervor isn't the same as other parts and thus the money either. They are very limited on expansion ideas, more so than the Big 12. The ACC looks like they are locking up the borders and the Big 12 is actively searching. I'm amazed that the Big 12 has rebounded as well as it has, but a lot of that is that they were able to keep to money train rolling, in spite of the uncertainty. The Pac-12 cant expand into the Pacific or China, even though they think they can pick up some viewership. It would be pretty crazy to see UCLA leave or the Arizona schools. But it looks like we are at a point where the Big 12 and Pac 12 might be battling for the 4th spot in the pecking order. If they teamed up, they would be pretty formidable though....recruiting wise, a solid #2, money wise probably #3 (SEC/Big 10 will be hard to catch).

Conan · Jul 23, 2016

Too big of a rivalry for the Bruins to walk away from. USC is just as hooked on it as the Bruins.
"The Battle of Los Angeles" is all consuming all not likely to be interrupted by anything. Both
schools are hooked on this rivalry like an addiction. And you can add to that a conference
championship rivalry.

GoSooners · Jul 23, 2016

They've been talking about going after the Arizona schools for years now. Big 12 fans think they would be a better fit in the Big 12 than the Pac-12. I just don't see it happening with them or for that fact any other Power 5 programs...I don't think any of these schools are going to budge at this point with GOR and all...Too much of a gamble for most of them.

TheFalls · Jul 24, 2016

All I hear locally is byu, cinci, Memphis, central Florida, Houston.

No other schools besides byu out west.

cloverleaf · Jul 24, 2016

Houston is being pushed by the governor of Texas.

Also, Texas Tech has joined the Houston bandwagon.

ParlaysStoleMyMoney · Jul 25, 2016

cloverleaf said:
Houston is being pushed by the governor of Texas.

Also, Texas Tech has joined the Houston bandwagon.

Houston would be a fucking joke. I can't believe that the governor (well actually I can, Ann Richards already did this one with Baylor) would get involved in having a say as to what teams should be offered an invite. Houston at this point does nothing for the Big 12. The Big 12 already owns the Houston market. The Big 12 sat on its ass and did nothing while other conferences were making moves. I do think that one day Nebraska and Colorado may be interested in returning to the league, to open back up that Texas pipeline. At this point, Memphis, Cincy and BYU make the most sense. Although I truly don't want to be in a conference with BYU ever again.

rivercitybirdie · Jul 26, 2016

how does houston add nothing?

i agree if your choices are ucla, miami or houston, then i wouldn't go with houston.... but i don't think that's reality....

most of the more obvious candidates for joining just left recently....... and other than TAM they don't move the needle

i think to move the needle = florida, california or midwest............. and i think for C and MW they should think of some creativity. go to smaller illinois school for instance. or help a 3rd LA school go FBS with a transition to B12. Long Beach State? not sure who else is obvious. lots of cal-states of course but nothing really obvious. fullerton? no idea what LA schools even do football at a lower level right now. azusa pacific?? Occidental??... not LA, but maybe pick up SDSU??.... EDIT: maybe the reason no 3rd LA team is that it would be swamped by UCLA/USC and kids rather leave than admit USC or UCLA had no interest.

EDIT: i didn't address florida directly..... i think USF or UCF would be great... FIU or FAU would need big upgrade.

linebets · Jul 29, 2016

Interesting article: http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/big-12-auctions-off-league-membership-for-big-money-072016

[FONT=&quot]They're not going to give the new members a full share of the TV revenue. [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Instead, and it's downright diabolical, the Big 12 can allow all of the schools that want to get into the Big 5 conference club to line up and tell them how little money they need to receive in order to join the Big 12. That is, if a school is, for instance, only willing to take $5 million a year for the next ten years, it could allow $200 million it would be entitled to receive to return to the existing ten Big 12 conference schools to split among themselves.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yep, you're about to witness the most greedy move in the history of college athletics. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]See, the Big 12 can't do a television network unless Texas gives up the Longhorn Network -- fat chance -- but what they can do is take money from the new schools they add. If four new schools all agreed to take $5 million a year in TV money, that's more than they earn now in smaller conferences, in theory the ten existing Big 12 schools could redistribute $800 million to each other over the next decade, or $8 million additional dollars per school. [/FONT]That's about what the ACC Network schools stand to make off their own network.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

rolltide · Jul 29, 2016

B12 lost a lot of research $$ with departures of A&M and Nebraska (both AAU schools during Big 12 affiliation...Nebraska has since lost that status) so expect 1 of those 4 additions to be based on academics. If they want to expand footprint into LA (New Orleans specifically) then it will be Tulane. The new Tulane stadium is sweet but only holds 30k but they would almost certainly rent that hideous dome for high profile home games.

seems a great fit considering their $1.25B endowment ... B12 need a Vandy/Duke/Northwestern/Stanford and Tulane is a pretty logical choice since Rice adds nothing new

RunLeeRun · Jul 29, 2016

Since there aren't any big fish to catch, it makes complete sense that the Big 12 would line up all the minnows and see which ones will eat the least. It's crazy to hear names like Tulane being thrown around. I would have never guessed that.

EasyMoney · Jul 29, 2016

There is some mild rumors that Texas and perhaps Oklahoma could head to the Big Ten. Not sure I'm buying it yet though

GoSooners · Jul 29, 2016

rolltide said:
B12 lost a lot of research $$ with departures of A&M and Nebraska (both AAU schools during Big 12 affiliation...Nebraska has since lost that status) so expect 1 of those 4 additions to be based on academics. If they want to expand footprint into LA (New Orleans specifically) then it will be Tulane. The new Tulane stadium is sweet but only holds 30k but they would almost certainly rent that hideous dome for high profile home games.

seems a great fit considering their $1.25B endowment ... B12 need a Vandy/Duke/Northwestern/Stanford and Tulane is a pretty logical choice since Rice adds nothing new

Just go ahead and shoot me in the head...

sdf · Jul 29, 2016

Parlays Stole My Money said:
Houston would be a fucking joke. Houston at this point does nothing for the Big 12. The Big 12 already owns the Houston market.

Big12 no longer completely owns the Houston market. Taking in Cougar High would very much bring it back into the fold.
Texas is going along with bringing Houston in so it seems like they are the first team in.

Conan · Jul 29, 2016

sdf said:
Big12 no longer completely owns the Houston market. Taking in Cougar High would very much bring it back into the fold.
Texas is going along with bringing Houston in so it seems like they are the first team in.

Knowing how they are at Texas, I'd say the real
reason why they would allow Houston a wide berth
to get in is because they need a stand-in for TAMU
who they can crap all over.

PENNYWISE · Jul 30, 2016

I wouldnt be surprised if the Big 12 is gone in a few years... Houston is nothing to get excited about..

If I had to pick one conference in serious trouble, it would be the Big 12....

cloverleaf · Jul 30, 2016

RunLeeRun said:
Since there aren't any big fish to catch, it makes complete sense that the Big 12 would line up all the minnows and see which ones will eat the least. It's crazy to hear names like Tulane being thrown around. I would have never guessed that.

"Since there aren't any big fish to catch".

+1 unless someone can name a big fish who wants to bite.

RunLeeRun · Jul 31, 2016

cloverleaf said:
"Since there aren't any big fish to catch".

+1 unless someone can name a big fish who wants to bite.

Well, it wouldnt be any of the keepers that have moved on to larger waters. Once that happenrd the watering hole looks pretty shallow.

GoSooners · Aug 1, 2016

sdf said:
Big12 no longer completely owns the Houston market. Taking in Cougar High would very much bring it back into the fold.
Texas is going along with bringing Houston in so it seems like they are the first team in.

Mike Stoops flies into Houston all the time. If they add Houston to the conference OU will lose at least a couple of recruits a year from the Houston market. But knowing David Boren he will probably pussy out and go along with accepting them, because all he really cares about is the money. The only thing I can hope for at this point is the Big 12 adds 2 or 4 teams but OU doesn't sign a GOR extension. But I don't have much hope there either since schools like Kansas, ISU, OSU, KSU will sign a GOR extension in a New York minute. Texas may too since the LHN still has another 10 years on it's contract. If they do, then Boren will probably fall in line with everybody else. The way it's looking, after the dust clears they should just rename the conference The Big Fucking Deal

WinOne · Aug 1, 2016

Don't think it's going to happen. It's a ploy by the Big12 after the ACC got a network...

If you remember when Nebraska, A&M and Colo left the B12, Fox and ESPN gave them a mulligan by not renegotiating the TV rights fees DOWN to where it should be. They let it stay where it was when they had 12 teams which meant more money per team. Fox and ESPN has basically said, you can add who you want but we are not giving you a new contract. They may even lower the TV revenue because it won't replace the likes of what was lost. Basically the teams being mentioned the most will make the overall product less valuable.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...n-with-tv-rights-holders-shaking-their-fists/

With respect to the Arizona schools, really doubt that happens. Both schools recruit Cali so heavily, and the alumni bases are predominantly in Cali as well. Additionally, the state of Arizona does not produce a large number of D1 recruits and it would pretty much kill recruiting, killing competitiveness. It potentially would get the schools into Texas more, but there's no guarantee that Texas/OU stick around after 2021 anyway. As an alum it would be nice to not have to jump on a plane to see them in Tempe or the west coast but not worth the conference disruption. I'd rather have Texas/OU/Houston go west instead

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