So is it The Curse of the Billy Goat ? or are the LA Dodgers just better than the Cubbies ?

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I truly thought the Cubs would just Win Out .... They had finally got what they really needed ( relief pitching ) and they looked like the Best team in Baseball by Far ....
 

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Damn it, BAS...but you're doing you're job, so I'll bite.

There are no curses! The Dodgers are a great team or they wouldn't be here. The Cubs are a great team who can't string two hits together consecutively at the moment. It will come around or it won't. I think it will. Not a "must win" until its an elimination, but it is a "really really should win" game. Vet vs. rookie. I'll take the vet...but we have to get someone across the plate.
 

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I think the pressure on the Cubs is yuuuuge, they're not playing loose at all

So yes, the Billy Goat curse is real
 

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It's neither. There are no curses, and the Cubs are a better team than LA.

It's just variance. We're talking about a 2 game sample here where the Cubs have struggled, and one of those games was against Kershaw. Unfortunately it feels like variance is turning into mounting pressure.

If I trust any manager in baseball to loosen their team up it would be Joe. Say what you will about him but he undeniably keeps it fun.

All that said, if the Cubs win tonight it's a whole new series. Just gotta get this thing back to Chicago.
 
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Sorry Chugs ... had to bring it up ...

I have no investment in this series thus far ... haven't bet a single game in the NL playoffs ... Yet
 
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Curse would mean things like error in the 8th or 9th to lose it in my opinion. When you have like 3-4 hits in a game, your best 2-3 batters are not taking good overall approaches at the plate, then it's you and not a curse.

Cubs are young and feel pressure, Rizzo is one player that can carry this team through a short stretch, but he is now being put on a list of worst ever playoff batting average. He's got to barrel up a few balls and get out of that slump today and stop looking for walks. This entire cubs team has gotten too patient at the plate, they watched MANY first pitch fastballs from Kershaw the other night go right down the middle of the plate. After the first time through Kershaw noticed they were going to let him get them 0-1 after first pitch and he did it. You can't do that!
 
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It's neither. There are no curses, and the Cubs are a better team than LA.

It's just variance. We're talking about a 2 game sample here where the Cubs have struggled, and one of those games was against Kershaw. Unfortunately it feels like variance is turning into mounting pressure.

If I trust any manager in baseball to loosen their team up it would be Joe. Say what you will about him but he undeniably keeps it fun.

All that said, if the Cubs win tonight it's a whole new series. Just gotta get this thing back to Chicago.

It's been more than two games that hte cubs haven't hit the ball like they did most of the season.
 

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Curse would mean things like error in the 8th or 9th to lose it in my opinion. When you have like 3-4 hits in a game, your best 2-3 batters are not taking good overall approaches at the plate, then it's you and not a curse.

Cubs are young and feel pressure, Rizzo is one player that can carry this team through a short stretch, but he is now being put on a list of worst ever playoff batting average. He's got to barrel up a few balls and get out of that slump today and stop looking for walks. This entire cubs team has gotten too patient at the plate, they watched MANY first pitch fastballs from Kershaw the other night go right down the middle of the plate. After the first time through Kershaw noticed they were going to let him get them 0-1 after first pitch and he did it. You can't do that!

Agreed they took the wrong approach against Kershaw.

However I think they need to try to work those deep counts against Urias. He has had some control issues.
 

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It's been more than two games that hte cubs haven't hit the ball like they did most of the season.

Before that 2 game stretch they scored 5, 5, 6, and 8 runs. They were finding ways to push runs across.

But yes I agree for the most part. Playoffs, good pitching on the other side. We're not playing the Reds or Brewers.
 

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If I trust any manager in baseball to loosen their team up it would be Joe. Say what you will about him but he undeniably keeps it fun.

So much this! Even Rizzo, I mean he's 1-30 but he still looks so loose. The one hit he did get he hugs the first base coach like he hadn't seen him in forever. Just funny stuff. Unfortunately that was the Giants series, so he needs another hug. He's getting better at bats. Coaxed a great 10+ pitch walk off Hill. It's coming. Balls bounce funny ways.

Lol...and no prob BAS, the curse thing is just an annoying headline that obviously has no basis but have been forced to hear about for decades.
 
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Agreed they took the wrong approach against Kershaw.

However I think they need to try to work those deep counts against Urias. He has had some control issues.

True on Urias. He is not known to get deep in games. Cubs need to be ready to swing in fastball counts, the big bats need to swing hard in the fastball counts and then just barrel something up otherwise, it's all mental with them right now. Or they started drinking the same gatorade Heyward has been drinking
 

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Damn it, BAS...but you're doing you're job, so I'll bite.

There are no curses! The Dodgers are a great team or they wouldn't be here. The Cubs are a great team who can't string two hits together consecutively at the moment. It will come around or it won't. I think it will. Not a "must win" until its an elimination, but it is a "really really should win" game. Vet vs. rookie. I'll take the vet...but we have to get someone across the plate.

This. We all know and even Bet based upon that "streakyness" of teams. No Doubt certain amidst the Cubs are Pressing, at the plate. Understandably. The Dodgers began playing better ball a while back, held off SF Giants in the Division, closed out well, they are that team that Got Hot when they needed too. Cubs capability at Bat = all they need is to string a couple successful ABs together and they can get On Track.

Panic at this point, totally counter-productive. Easier said than done, yes, to not Press. Chugs though bringing the Calm. IMO it would serve the Cubs well to do the same, they can do this they just need to take Game 4 to end the Gloom and Doom.
 

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Agreed they took the wrong approach against Kershaw.

However I think they need to try to work those deep counts against Urias. He has had some control issues.

I agree, we need to milk some at bats early. We were trying to attach Kershaw and the SOB only had like 60 pitches in the 6th. Get some runners on against Urias and really attack 2nd/3rd time through order.

And I will say the bats have been less than great the whole playoffs. Nearly half our runs were brought from timely hitting from pitchers in the Giants series. It was timely hitting, but not consistent...but it's the playoffs. Pitchers tend to dominate. One big hit can get everything moving in the right direction though.
 

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Agreed they took the wrong approach against Kershaw.

However I think they need to try to work those deep counts against Urias. He has had some control issues.


This is a Yuge Key. They gotta get Urias to an elevated Pitch Count early cuz if they can his Confidence will Suffer, a lot and he will Serve Up some nice hittable pitches. Whatever is said about this kid he is still freshly arrived to 20 Years old from 19 and I'm just seriously hoping we will see some 9 or more pitch ABs early. I'd love to see Urias have to throw 27 (or even more) to get out of the 1st Inning. That'd be excellent. IMO at least.
 

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I agree, we need to milk some at bats early. We were trying to attach Kershaw and the SOB only had like 60 pitches in the 6th. Get some runners on against Urias and really attack 2nd/3rd time through order.

And I will say the bats have been less than great the whole playoffs. Nearly half our runs were brought from timely hitting from pitchers in the Giants series. It was timely hitting, but not consistent...but it's the playoffs. Pitchers tend to dominate. One big hit can get everything moving in the right direction though.

Kershaw did have a game recently when he had to throw, what? Like....22 pitches to make it out of the First?

I forget what game that was......I guess that wasn't versus Cubs.
 

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Kershaw did have a game recently when he had to throw, what? Like....22 pitches to make it out of the First?

I forget what game that was......I guess that wasn't versus Cubs.

No, I think we had two innings where we got more than 10 out of him. Started getting better contact end of the 6th but was just hit at people. Real interested in G5.

We got ahead on some counts against Hill, but his safety pitch is the curve. We get ahead on Urias and he's throwing the fastball...I'm talking myself into taking some Cubs -111. Told myself I wasn't betting on them, but I think it's the time. If they lose, might as well be doubly miserable.
 

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Told myself I wasn't betting on them, but I think it's the time. If they lose, might as well be doubly miserable.

True. IMO at least. I'm kind of a Degenerate Gambler though so....a bit biased, not real objective, on such a question.

Your Posts potray you as a sane person, a "right thinker" with a strong and positive mind so you can handle that double dose of Misery

you won't be alone in that risk and hopefully no misery comes. :toast:

I do feel personally like people are over-reacting to what, as HC pointed out, is a 2-game sample with one of those games vs. a guy who is among the very greatest pitchers this game has seen.
 
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I agree, we need to milk some at bats early. We were trying to attach Kershaw and the SOB only had like 60 pitches in the 6th. Get some runners on against Urias and really attack 2nd/3rd time through order.

And I will say the bats have been less than great the whole playoffs. Nearly half our runs were brought from timely hitting from pitchers in the Giants series. It was timely hitting, but not consistent...but it's the playoffs. Pitchers tend to dominate. One big hit can get everything moving in the right direction though.

Kershaw got to a lot of 0-2 and 1-2 counts with the cubs only swinging once. His pitch count was so low because no walks, very few 3 ball counts, and no base runners/hits. It wasn't because they were attacking, they were absolutely not swinging first pitch.
 

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Lol...yeah well if I wasn't in the degenerate camp, I'd be getting some paperwork off my desk and not interacting with all of you at the moment.
 

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