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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    Hilarious reading threads on who they picking at 11.
    Cant wait to watch the meltdown
    Im with ya on this one Chop you've been correct on this so far. But I believe they get their 32 back.

    Pats fans are getting reports like this from Mike Lombardi,

    FORMER PATRIOTS EXECUTIVE MICHAEL LOMBARDI THINKS MALCOLM BUTLER WILL PLAY 2017 WITH PATRIOTS
    http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/...with-patriots/

    Tom E Curran on comcast sports last night was espousing your position last night.
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    Pats will 9-7 or 8-8. You Pats fans are in for a long year. The next three years the Pats won't win 10 games in any year. Now this is going to be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john towers View Post
    Pats will 9-7 or 8-8. You Pats fans are in for a long year. The next three years the Pats won't win 10 games in any year. Now this is going to be fun.
    you're punch drunk, seriously

    you're just talking out your ass as if you actually know something, they've obviously beaten you up a ton of times

    since this is a gambling forum, let me suggest you start betting against something else
    "We're going to WIN so much, you're going to be sick of WINNING", What a refreshing change of pace.
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    Hey Chop, anything new on the Butler deal ? I know he has to go to NE to sign his tender before any trade can be done but is NO having any second thoughts on what this guy is asking for in a long term deal? Does NO even have the cap space to sign him to a huge long term deal?
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    it's a done deal, it's happens tomorrow, or the tomorrow after tomorrow
    "We're going to WIN so much, you're going to be sick of WINNING", What a refreshing change of pace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    I said Friday 3 days ago
    Its been done for a week actually
    All major news outlets failed to report on the deal being done yesterday.

    What gives? Is your source tmader7? My sources tell me Butler is conflicted about jumping from the best team in the NFL to one of the absolute worst.

    I know Butler will get dealt and likely to Saints but your info is about as good as your guarantee the Saints making the playoffs last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john towers View Post
    Pats will 9-7 or 8-8. You Pats fans are in for a long year. The next three years the Pats won't win 10 games in any year. Now this is going to be fun.
    Since you pretend to be so confident, put some money on it.
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    I think Chop is mostly right. I think Saints get Butler and I do think it was likely a part of the overall deal for Cooks. Only disagreement is that I think Pats get their #32 pick back.

    So overall trade would be:
    Saints get
    Malcolm Butler
    Pats 3rd round pick

    Pats get:
    Brandin Cooks
    Saints 4th round pick.

    At first glance, I think you could argue who won either way. I agree that CB is more valuable than WR but Pats are likely to choose getting something in return now for Butler as opposed to letting him walk next year and only maybe getting a compensatory pick.

    This is just my speculation from reading reports. No inside info obviously.

    It is pretty enlightening to read and start understanding the cap and the many ways some teams manage it so much more efficiently than others.
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    So overall trade would be:
    Saints get
    Malcolm Butler
    Pats 3rd round pick

    Pats get:
    Brandin Cooks
    Saints 4th round pick.

    So this sums up Chop's expectation perfectly.

    Agreeing with your assessment that a corner is worth more than a wide receiver, why would the Pats make that deal?

    Additionally, Butler is a proven stud of a corner. Made likely the best and most clutch Super Bowl play ever, has had All Pro years for two years since. Covers much bigger than his 5' 10" size, leaps like a jack-in-the-box, rarely misses his coverage, hits hard, and is a sure tackler. How many corners make tackles behind the line of scrimmage. Butler does. He is athletic, smart, and tough. And a good citizen. And a Patriot who knows what it takes to win. And the Patriots need him to anchor their defense in the passing league of 2017.

    Cooks? Not bad. Pretty good receiver. May turn into one of the great ones. May not. Has a reputation for sulking when not the primary receiver.

    First, the Patriots don't need him, regardless of how good he is. They had the second best offense in the NFL without him. Secondly, they sure don't need a me first attitude guy polluting the team. Why do they need to even risk that? They don't.

    So from a Patriot perspective, the deal as outlined above stinks. Saints get the better, proven player at a coveted position. Pats get a risk player at a position they already have well covered.

    So minimally, IF the deal for Butler gets done with the Saints the deal should look like this:

    Saints get
    Malcolm Butler
    Pats 3rd round pick
    Pats first round pick in slot #32

    Patriots get
    Brandon Cooks
    Saints 4th round pick
    Saints first round pick in slot #11

    That looks more fair to me if this deal must go through. But honestly, we already have Cooks. We'd would MUCH PREFER to also keep Butler, either by matching a Saints offer, or by keeping him for the 4 mill and address resigning him at this season's conclusion.

    PS I also have a theory as to why the Pats traded for Cooks, a guy we really don't need. But that's for another thread, another time.



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    Oh my!

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    if saints want butler, it would be for their pick, 11th overall. You decide if that trade happens.
    10:38 am - 19 mar 2017


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    Hey Chop, any updates on this situation out of NO?
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    Yes update.

    Saints and Pats have both agreed on draft pick compensation.
    And the saints have made a really healthy offer for butler.
    All the compensation has been worked out.

    It was originally agreed to be a 3rd round pick but it looks like the pats have worked us into the 44th PICK .

    As far what's holding all this up is butlers agent.

    apparently he has an idiot agent that is not well know and is trying
    yo make a name for himself.

    Basically holding out for Gilmore money.

    That is simply not going to happen.

    The saints are offering 11.5 million.

    if Butlers agent don't watch it he's going to cost his client millions .

    Butler and his agent have absolutely no leverage in this.

    This deal will be worked out at any moment as soon as butlers agent realizes he has no leverage.

    So saints will end up giving the 42nd
    and a small
    future consideration .

    Dont listen to Mike Lombardi .

    You not getting the 11th or 32nd pick

    The odds of that happening are exactly zero no matter how many false stories that are written by clueless people who have no idea what they talking about
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Patriot View Post
    Oh my!

    Dont get excited bro. 100% not happening .

    i would bet my entire net worth on that
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    Quote Originally Posted by big wang View Post
    All major news outlets failed to report on the deal being done yesterday.

    What gives? Is your source tmader7? My sources tell me Butler is conflicted about jumping from the best team in the NFL to one of the absolute worst.

    I know Butler will get dealt and likely to Saints but your info is about as good as your guarantee the Saints making the playoffs last year.

    My info is absolutely flawless and accurate .
    i was in here on post 3 of this thread telling everyone of a butler trade to the saints before it was even news.

    Just read the thread title.
    Pats get cooks keep Butler.

    Everything I said will come to pass unless this idiot agent cost his client millions of bucks .

    But ultimately the saints want butler and ultimately butler won't want to play for 3 mill so it's all gonna come to pass shortly .

    As far as your one of the worst teams in the NFL comment.

    Jist simply retarded.
    The saints are undisputed one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the NFL since 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post




    Jist simply retarded.
    The saints are undisputed one of the top 3 or 4 teams in the NFL since 2006.
    "absolute worst" Naw.

    But thinking they're one of the top 3 or 4 is just as crazy. 7-9 for each of the last three years. That's not even mediocre, never mind "best".

    Back to the subject, still hoping that Butler winds up back in New England. If you don't want to give up #11, you don't deserve him. He's worth a whole lot more than that. Butler is a proven stud. #11 would have to stretch to be as good and more than likely will never achieve a status close to Butler.

    Come on home, Malcolm. We value you here. A lot.
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    Chop will never change he is a 100% homer, just like back in the days the braves was the greatest team out each day, NOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelangelo View Post
    "absolute worst" Naw.

    But thinking they're one of the top 3 or 4 is just as crazy. 7-9 for each of the last three years. That's not even mediocre, never mind "best".

    Back to the subject, still hoping that Butler winds up back in New England. If you don't want to give up #11, you don't deserve him. He's worth a whole lot more than that. Butler is a proven stud. #11 would have to stretch to be as good and more than likely will never achieve a status close to Butler.

    Come on home, Malcolm. We value you here. A lot.

    Just look at the records since 2006.
    2 NFC championship games and 1 super bowl championship.

    How could that be considered one of the worst teams in the NFL ?

    I Bet there aren't more then 3 teams besides the saints that have done that since 2006
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    They not the worst but no way the best 3 or 4 since 2006
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michelangelo View Post
    "absolute worst" Naw.

    But thinking they're one of the top 3 or 4 is just as crazy. 7-9 for each of the last three years. That's not even mediocre, never mind "best".

    Back to the subject, still hoping that Butler winds up back in New England. If you don't want to give up #11, you don't deserve him. He's worth a whole lot more than that. Butler is a proven stud. #11 would have to stretch to be as good and more than likely will never achieve a status close to Butler.

    Come on home, Malcolm. We value you here. A lot.

    You not getting 11 I promise .
    And no apparently you don't value him.
    Otherwise you would have payed him instead of Gilmore.

    If you guys can't play him more then 3.7 you don't deserve him.

    I think he will appreciate the 11.5 a little more then the 3.7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    Just look at the records since 2006.
    2 NFC championship games and 1 super bowl championship.

    How could that be considered one of the worst teams in the NFL ?

    I Bet there aren't more then 3 teams besides the saints that have done that since 2006
    Certainly not one of the worst, but Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Ravens, Broncos, Giants, Packers and Seahawks off the top of my head have have all done the above or better in that timeframe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    Just look at the records since 2006.
    2 NFC championship games and 1 super bowl championship.

    How could that be considered one of the worst teams in the NFL ?

    I Bet there aren't more then 3 teams besides the saints that have done that since 2006
    The pats, packers, sea hawks , Giants , Broncos , Ravens , steelers And the Colts have all done it since 06. Top 3 lol
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    http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery...ed-32-1-010417

    Here you go .
    In the last 10
    years the saints are ranked 7th in wins.
    And 3 of the 6 teams with more wins have 0 Super Bowls.
    That most certainly qualifies the saints as a top 3 or 4 team since 2006
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/gallery...ed-32-1-010417

    Here you go .
    In the last 10
    years the saints are ranked 7th in wins.
    And 3 of the 6 teams with more wins have 0 Super Bowls.
    That most certainly qualifies the saints as a top 3 or 4 team since 2006
    Which teams haven't won a Super Bowl that have more wins since 06?
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    guys he is a homer 100% and that make imo a bad capper, if you bet with your heart, well you know the rest.the saints are a 1 and done team won 1 superbowl and imo it will be a damn long time before they will ever be close to winning the 2nd one, just like the braves they have 1 world series and it will be a long time for the 2nd one.chop never change homer
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