Riddle me this Gentleman....Health Plan question

bodyforlife · Mar 23, 2017

So one of the ideas that is being bandied about is the notion that we could charge a 10% sales tax and that would cover health care for everyone (yeah, I call BS but figured some of you guys might be aware of some of the pros and cons of this).

I am well aware of the idiots that think Single Payer is a cure all, but fail to look at larger scale countries like the UK, Germany, and France where it's citizens pay 50-70% of their pay in income taxes and VAT (they simply try to cherry pick with Canada and other small scale countries that are nowhere near the size of the U.S.).

Clearly if this was workable and the 90% of Americans that get their healthcare from their employers or the government no longer had to pay for a workplace insurance plan, it would save money (we currently pay roughly $5k a year for medical/dental/vision).

So what have you heard about this fairy tale?

Seymour · Mar 23, 2017

I don't know but I'm so fucken angry right now with the Republican House - we were promised repeal of Obamacare and now we have a fringe few greedy ultra conservatives threatening to vote against the repeal because the replacement is "Omamacare Lite" - you can't get everything in life - repeal it now - that's better than nothing and push for better replacement down the road - but by all means get it the fuck out of here ASAP - I'm one of those people that are funding Obamacare with the 4% tax they threw on people when they told the American people that Obamacare was not a tax - and I can't be mad at Trump because he is trying

THawk+ · Mar 23, 2017

Seymour, if you have read the bill from Ryan it is as bad or worse then Obamacare.

I don't understand why you are not mad at Trump for aligning with Ryan and going back on his campaign promise of repeal because this is not a repeal but it continues Obamacare....

the ones holding the line against this bill are the good ones, Trump should be heavily chastised for going with this piece of garbage from Ryan.

Trump is going back on his word to the American people and needs to be called out, he is on the wrong side of this one.

Him aligning with Ryan is the problem he is going back on his word. Do your research on this bill, it keeps all the bad parts and the fees/taxes put on people while helping the insurance and drug companies, not the American people

SgtLanquel · Mar 23, 2017

good post, THAWK

I am puzzled why Donnie has not simply submitted his personal detailed Repeal plan since he insisted throughout last year that "I have a much better plan that will make everyone very, very happy"

Seymour · Mar 23, 2017

T Hawk said:
Seymour, if you have read the bill from Ryan it is as bad or worse then Obamacare.

I don't understand why you are not mad at Trump for aligning with Ryan and going back on his campaign promise of repeal because this is not a repeal but it continues Obamacare....

the ones holding the line against this bill are the good ones, Trump should be heavily chastised for going with this piece of garbage from Ryan.

Trump is going back on his word to the American people and needs to be called out, he is on the wrong side of this one.

Him aligning with Ryan is the problem he is going back on his word. Do your research on this bill, it keeps all the bad parts and the fees/taxes put on people while helping the insurance and drug companies, not the American people

It get's rid of the 3.8% tax on families making over 250K - many years my income comes from long term capital gains - under Bush this rate was 15% - Obama raised it to 20% - then he threw on the 3.8% if your over 250K - the difference between paying 15% and 24% is a huge increase to me

So for me - this repeal is a huge win - trust me - I want what you want - but I fear nothing may happen and if the Dems took back the Senate or the House we would do nothing in the future - start here and remodel it - but it has to go

Seymour · Mar 23, 2017

Sgt Lanquel said:
good post, THAWK

I am puzzled why Donnie has not simply submitted his personal detailed Repeal plan since he insisted throughout last year that "I have a much better plan that will make everyone very, very happy"

His opinion counts slightly more than mine or urs - all he gets to do is put the 3rd stamp on it

Willie99 · Mar 23, 2017

it's going to happen Seymour, it's a process, and I'm OK with that

nobody wants cluster II, can't be like the democrats were, have to act like adults, have to pass responsible legislation

Willie99 · Mar 23, 2017

BFL, not familiar with the issues you raised in the OP

But we don't need more money, we need more freedom, more choice, more competition, fewer regulations, a growing economy, curtail end of life costs and reduce the practice of defensive medicine

Each and every medical standard established by the medical profession, not brain dead career politicians that can't balance their own checkbook

Seymour · Mar 23, 2017

I'm literally watching the news like it was election night

SgtLanquel · Mar 23, 2017

Removing legal obstacles to assisted suicide a prominent need. Though available currently in five states it seems unlikely a GOP-driven reform plan will take this into account nationally

THawk+ · Mar 23, 2017

All I know is Trump making a huge, huge mistake aligning with that snake Paul Ryan.
He's Trump's enemy and this plan does nothing that Trump promised when he was campaigning.
I do not see enough changes being made to make this thing what Trump promised.

Too many subsidies. Too many penalties. Too many things for big pharma and insurance companies
I see no competition. I see penalties still in place. I see subsidies. I see no freedom of choice. I see no competition.
I see premiums being as high or higher. I see deductibles being just as high. I see nothing good coming from this bill.
It's what Ryan and most of the sell out politicians want as they are all supported by big pharma and insurance companies.

Right now Trump looks like a typical lying politician. If he spits the bit on health care I am done with him!!!

I will not back a liar!!! This bill is a total sell out to the American people!!!

If you think there will be changes after this piece of crap passes, if it passes you are crazy!

TomGshotput · Mar 24, 2017

Now that we have repealed Obamacare and replaced it with Trumpcare, our health care is far cheaper and far better. Obviously the Liberals are going to whine about losing their handouts that they are so used to stealing from tax payers, but the rest of us are enjoying everything that is Making America Great Again. Including our healthcare system.

GasMan · Mar 24, 2017

Where is Herman Cain when you need him? Anyone remember his 9/9/9 plan?

Than miraculously, 4 or 5 women came forward claiming he raped them or assaulted them. Shockingly enough, they were all Democrats and some had worked for Democratic campaigns.

I wonder what they were paid. Sick fuck Dems.

bodyforlife · Mar 24, 2017

Willie99 said:
BFL, not familiar with the issues you raised in the OP

But we don't need more money, we need more freedom, more choice, more competition, fewer regulations, a growing economy, curtail end of life costs and reduce the practice of defensive medicine

Each and every medical standard established by the medical profession, not brain dead career politicians that can't balance their own checkbook

Thanks for actually staying focused and answering the question Willie. I was merely curious as to the numbers to substantiate this as it appears to be a pipe dream that this would be all it would take to give an absolute minimum amount of care to all citizens. I always like to see numbers in black and white (much easier to call out the BS that way). With that said, I don't disagree with anything you said.

Dave007inVegas · Mar 24, 2017

I haven't paid close attention to the bill mainly because it
doesn't affect me. A couple of things caught my attention.

Subsidies and Ryan.

By giving subsidies you diminish the need for competition which
is how you drive down costs. I also haven't heard anything about
buying across State lines thus once again stifling competition.

Which brings me to Ryan. I'm not surprised the bill appears to be
a half ass effort. Ryan has always been a go along to get along
politician. When the going gets tough he always folds.

Trump I'm afraid is going to find that governing is not as easy as running
a business. He won't be able to fire those that are incompetent.

Seymour · Mar 24, 2017

THawk, when this bill does not get out of the House - Obamacare will be the law of the land - like - as in - FOREVER - and this is what u wanted?

SheriffJoe · Mar 24, 2017

Statism never works no matter which party is doing it.

Stop "engineering" healthcare and open it up to the free marketplace. Period. WTF is so hard for these people to understand????

Paul Ryan is such a disgrace. Can't one of the Kenyan's spies plant some kiddie porn on his computer so we can be done with this clown once and for all?

MantisToboggan · Mar 24, 2017

Dave007inVegas said:
I also haven't heard anything about
buying across State lines thus once again stifling competition.

I always thought this sounded like a solid solution as well, but after doing some research on it, it's not a very good solution.

PatsFan1283 · Mar 24, 2017

The HFC members would be doing Trump/Ryan a huge favor by voting this thing down. It's just reshuffling the deck of government run healthcare. That is why all these "compromises" won't work, because the compromises are just effecting healthcare policy at the margins rather than massive overhaul of the broken system.

I dunno if it will happen but it would be a victory if Ryan just resigned. He wrote this bill without any help from the HFC or the senators who were opposed like Rand, Lee, Cruz and figured he would just piggyback on Trump's bully pulpit to get it passed. Every conservative think tank has panned it.

If you shove garbage like this through all you are doing is signing the US up for single payer in 4-8-12 years.

Dave007inVegas · Mar 24, 2017

Mantis Toboggan said:
I always thought this sounded like a solid solution as well, but after doing some research on it, it's not a very good solution.

Your opinion has no foundation without an explanation.

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