So, if the economy was strong AND Obamacare is good for the country

Willie99 · Jul 30, 2017

Can anyone speculate why the party in charge and the some party that controls the narrative

lost 12 Senate seats
lost 63 House seats
lost the presidency
and lost a total of 1,050 seats at the federal and state levels?

how is that possible?

just wondering

Willie99 · Jul 30, 2017

If Ronald Reagan was popular for his economic success and he believed

business is the solution, government is the problem
he advocated lower taxes
he advocated fewer regulations

Is it possible Obama's 8 years of economic malaise was caused by his

believing business is the problem, government is the solution
advocating higher taxes
advocating more regulations

????????

Is it fair to suggest that polar opposite policies yielded polar opposite results?

Enfuego · Jul 31, 2017

And given all that control Willie, how's it working for us?

Willie99 · Jul 31, 2017

I just don't get it Enfuego, so many people are happy with and embrace failure.

Politics is akin to an athletic event for far too many people, always rooting for their favorite team as opposed to success vs failure. Or maybe their only source of data is talking heads and the 10 second sound bite.

I do realize a lot of people simply vote for their own special interest, which is what gives them in many cases, and that may be impossible to change once entitled mentalities set in. I guess that means the education comes into play too, we're rowing upstream against a strong current without a paddle

Willie99 · Jul 31, 2017

Willie99 · Jul 31, 2017

Enfuego said:
And given all that control Willie, how's it working for us?

Not sure we're your going here, "all what control". Three Republican Senators are voting with the Democrats, that's not "control" and that's not advancing a conservative agenda

Dave007inVegas · Jul 31, 2017

Willie99 said:
Can anyone speculate why the party in charge and the some party that controls the narrative

lost 12 Senate seats
lost 63 House seats
lost the presidency
and lost a total of 1,050 seats at the federal and state levels?

how is that possible?

just wondering

You're being silly, None of that happened. Don't believe me? Just ask Whoopi.

Enfuego · Jul 31, 2017

Willie99 said:
Not sure we're your going here, "all what control". Three Republican Senators are voting with the Democrats, that's not "control" and that's not advancing a conservative agenda

We have control of the senate yet can't get anything passed. That's all I mean.

Willie99 · Jul 31, 2017

It's obvious the Republicans don't really control the Senate, they have three members that often times caucus with the democrats and another member that espouses more Libertarian like policies so he votes against stuff he doesn't think goes far enough to undue the welfare state

Dave007inVegas · Jul 31, 2017

Willie99 said:
It's obvious the Republicans don't really control the Senate, they have three members that often times caucus with the democrats and another member that espouses more Libertarian like policies so he votes against stuff he doesn't think goes far enough to undue the welfare state

My friend you sound like a politician, they most certainly do control
the Senate. That's just another excuse in a long line of excuses that
the Republicans are so good at.

The problem I see in the Senate is Mitch McConnell is no Harry Reid.
Say what you want about Reid but he got results.

SheriffJoe · Jul 31, 2017

Dave007inVegas said:
My friend you sound like a politician, they most certainly do control
the Senate. That's just another excuse in a long line of excuses that
the Republicans are so good at.

The problem I see in the Senate is Mitch McConnell is no Harry Reid.
Say what you want about Reid but he got results.

Similarly, Pelosi was a much more effective Speaker than the alcoholic crybaby and Paul Ryno.

Dave007inVegas · Jul 31, 2017

Sheriff Joe said:
Similarly, Pelosi was a much more effective Speaker than the alcoholic crybaby and Paul Ryno.

No argument here.

TomGshotput · Jul 31, 2017

Sheriff Joe said:
Similarly, Pelosi was a much more effective Speaker than the alcoholic crybaby and Paul Ryno.

The only thing Democrats were effective at was destroying America -- and they only managed to do that from 2009-2016. Now with Trump the Republicans are effectively Making America Great Again

Willie99 · Jul 31, 2017

Dave007inVegas said:
My friend you sound like a politician, they most certainly do control
the Senate. That's just another excuse in a long line of excuses that
the Republicans are so good at.

The problem I see in the Senate is Mitch McConnell is no Harry Reid.
Say what you want about Reid but he got results.

Sheriff Joe said:
Similarly, Pelosi was a much more effective Speaker than the alcoholic crybaby and Paul Ryno.

the democratic party is a coalition of special interests, everyone supports other causes as long as their cause is taken care of

from teachers to unions to welfare to minorities to environmentalists to abortionists to the women's march to gay organizations to BLM to OWS to simple pork barrel projects, just take from somebody else and give to us

the Republicans simply don't have that type of march step unity

I also suspect Reid and Pelosi did a lot of arm twisting and buying of votes and it all gets ignored too, there no way 300 elected officials can agree on everything, yet they do

I also believe you guys greatly underestimated the leverage controlling the narrative gives a party

TomGshotput · Jul 31, 2017

Willie99 said:
I also believe you guys greatly underestimated the leverage controlling the narrative gives a party

We are all very grateful Trump gave us the narrative he did: Make America Great Again.

bodyforlife · Jul 31, 2017

Willie99 said:
the Republicans simply don't have that type of march step unity

Then they need to find it

Willie99 said:
I also suspect Reid and Pelosi did a lot of arm twisting and buying of votes and it all gets ignored too, there no way 300 elected officials can agree on everything, yet they do

I'm all for a little Twist and Shout

Willie99 said:
I also believe you guys greatly underestimated the leverage controlling the narrative gives a party

They controlled the narrative during this last election and Trump won. They controlled the narrative all throughout their losses of the House, Senate, and all the other Legislative seats they lost. At what point do the Republicans realize people are not voting on a narrative (and most realize the narrative is false)?

Seymour · Aug 1, 2017

The functioning or theatrics of the white house are probably pretty poor - of course that has absolutely zero bearing on anyone's life - what affects everyone is employment, wages, peace, etc., and in that aspect everything is going good and appears to be headed in a the right direction - if you love political correctness than things probably aren't going too well in ur opinion

bodyforlife · Aug 1, 2017

Seymour said:
The functioning or theatrics of the white house are probably pretty poor - of course that has absolutely zero bearing on anyone's life - what affects everyone is employment, wages, peace, etc., and in that aspect everything is going good and appears to be headed in a the right direction - if you love political correctness than things probably aren't going too well in ur opinion

Yeah, etc.

hno:

How convenient to lump everything else in "etc.". Uh, I'd say having to pay outrageous premiums for health care and getting nothing back in return greatly impacts peoples lives. I'd say tax policy greatly impacts peoples lives. So, yeah, what's going on right now is very relevant to most people. So nice of you to gloss over it.

Willie99 · Aug 1, 2017

Seymour said:
The functioning or theatrics of the white house are probably pretty poor - of course that has absolutely zero bearing on anyone's life - what affects everyone is employment, wages, peace, etc., and in that aspect everything is going good and appears to be headed in a the right direction - if you love political correctness than things probably aren't going too well in ur opinion

I concur, just undoing regulations and the talk of reducing taxes and the cost of doing business as improved consumer confidence and that helps a great deal. Jobs Obama told us "are NOT coming back" actually are coming back. Companies are moving to the states, returning to the states and investing in the states, with most of this stuff happening after the election.

Obama was an economic anchor, regulations and high taxes do not grow the economy, and that's not rocket science either. It's just common sense.

Willie99 · Aug 1, 2017

bodyforlife said:
Yeah, etc. hno:

How convenient to lump everything else in "etc.". Uh, I'd say having to pay outrageous premiums for health care and getting nothing back in return greatly impacts peoples lives. I'd say tax policy greatly impacts peoples lives. So, yeah, what's going on right now is very relevant to most people. So nice of you to gloss over it.

Most people are unhappy about healthcare, although by controlling the narrative the polling numbers showed people oppose recent proposals. I think that may be for a combination of reasons, including people not wanting the federal government involved in healthcare at all, and recent proposals don't go that far.

We're just over seven months in, we're midway through the first quarter

So, if the economy was strong AND Obamacare is good for the country

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