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    Just curious sinced its been claimed many times, but I cant find any history on the switch... Did it happen before the civil war? Right before the civil rights in the 1960's? The beginning of WW2 when Democrats in power put Japanese Americans in camps?
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    Found this video while doing research... smart lady https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_a7dQXilCo
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    they lie to claim the high ground, to control the narrative, to win the fake wedge battle of good vs evil that they rely upon, because they can never win the battle of ideas
    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter". Winston Churchill "A rising tide raises all boats". JFK
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    There was no party switch, however Roosevelt and the New Deal was the catalyst for the rift in the Democratic Party causing many to oppose his "liberal" big government policies. 1936 also marked the first time that a Democrat received a majority of black votes. It's believed that the promises of the New Deal and the job programs that came with it led many to vote against their party affiliations
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    I hate when people say the parties switched because it's not completely accurate and oversimplifies things. However, there was definitely a gradual change in party platforms over time for a multitude of reasons.

    Some info here:

    https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

    http://factmyth.com/factoids/democra...hed-platforms/
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    I think the democratic party has moved further left (so have the Republicans BTW) and I'm sure that moved people away from them

    I think a politician like JFK would be considered a right wing extremist today

    Lower taxes, unshackle American enterprise (an issue even then), "a rising tide raises all boats" (known as trickle down today), "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country", strong on national defense,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSUSpartans View Post
    I hate when people say the parties switched because it's not completely accurate and oversimplifies things. However, there was definitely a gradual change in party platforms over time for a multitude of reasons.

    Some info here:

    https://www.livescience.com/34241-de...platforms.html

    http://factmyth.com/factoids/democra...hed-platforms/


    That isn't what the Left today claims.

    They claim all the old racist dimocraps ran to the Republican Party while former Republicans decided to become dims, particularly in the South. Now, why did this supposedly happen? I have no idea, other than to create some stupid narrative that is convenient for them. It's not like their supporters are intuitive enough to actually look into when this took place and research facts.

    Putting aside the dozens of questions and inconsistencies normal thinkers would have about this...if some kind of big switch did take place, wouldn't it make sense that we could find something as elementary as, say, a date of the event? Errrr, I guess not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDeuce View Post
    That isn't what the Left today claims.

    They claim all the old racist dimocraps ran to the Republican Party while former Republicans decided to become dims, particularly in the South. Now, why did this supposedly happen? I have no idea, other than to create some stupid narrative that is convenient for them. It's not like their supporters are intuitive enough to actually look into when this took place and research facts.

    Putting aside the dozens of questions and inconsistencies normal thinkers would have about this...if some kind of big switch did take place, wouldn't it make sense that we could find something as elementary as, say, a date of the event? Errrr, I guess not.
    Like I said there was no one big switch. There was however a gradual change of both party platforms and demographics. Depends on where you start but we could be talking a period anywhere from 50 to 100 years.

    I know you are playing devil's advocate, but it is untruthful to say 1) one big switch occurred 2) also deny that any change happened.
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    Last part got cut off. And by change I mean a swapping of some ideologies, particularly the role of the federal government
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    It's not so much the Democratic message (although it is phony) that I don't like
    it's their messengers that purvey it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDeuce View Post
    That isn't what the Left today claims.

    They claim all the old racist dimocraps ran to the Republican Party while former Republicans decided to become dims, particularly in the South. Now, why did this supposedly happen? I have no idea, other than to create some stupid narrative that is convenient for them. It's not like their supporters are intuitive enough to actually look into when this took place and research facts.

    Putting aside the dozens of questions and inconsistencies normal thinkers would have about this...if some kind of big switch did take place, wouldn't it make sense that we could find something as elementary as, say, a date of the event? Errrr, I guess not.
    This has nothing to do with some formal switch of old democrats and republicans that are now dead. You claim that right wing radical groups aren't right wing. They are and they typically live in Red states. Since you didn't respond to my other post, I will post their platforms from their websites and you tell me which party they mirror.


    From the Nazi website:

    - We must have an America in which our cultural, social, business and political life is free of alien, Jewish influence; an America in which White people are the sole masters of our own destiny.

    - We demand that only those of Aryan blood be allowed to become citizens of the state. Citizenship - and the rights which go along with it - will be conferred only on those Aryans who prove themselves worthy of it.

    - We demand a foreign policy based solely on the long-term interests of the Aryan Race. In order to effectively pursue such a policy, we demand the creation of a powerful military force capable of defending the Aryan Republic against all aggressors.

    - We must have a government which is not only a guarantor of public order and safety and which preserves the right of White citizens to keep and to bear arms, which is the ancient hallmark of a truly free people, but we must have government which maintains an eternal vigilance against the enemies, both internal and external, of a White America. Every tendency towards degeneracy and subversion, every threat to our racial integrity, every form of organized crime and vice, every element which threatens public terror or chaos must be weeded out and utterly destroyed.

    - We demand that the state take an active part in the spiritual life of the racial community. Our people must be turned away from the present path of materialism, cynicism, and egoism and become inspired by racial idealism and a rebirth of traditional Aryan spiritual values.



    KKK Platform:

    Enemies from within are destroying the United States of America. An unholy coalition of anti-White, anti-Christian liberals, socialists, feminists, homosexuals, jews and militant blacks have managed to seize control of our government and mass media. This gang of criminals and degenerates has declared war on the hard working, tax paying, White citizens. White Americans have become second class citizens in the country our ancestors built from nothing. The liberal dictatorship seeks to disarm us and leave us at the mercy of savage rapist and murders. Bands of bloodthirsty criminals prowl our streets. They rape, rob and murder with impunity. As our women and children are butchered by these subhumans our Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to keep and bear arms are all being taken away. All the mighty pillars of American democracy are being torn down by the left wing tyrants. The American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan plan to change things for the better. We shall liberate our nation from these savage criminals and restore law and order to America.

    • TRADITIONAL VALUES: The liberal government and its media encourage our young children to behave like primitive savages. Homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuals, sado-masochism, and every other type of vile perversion is applauded by the scum that control our country. The American Knights demand a return to sanity. We call for a restoration of Christian values to all walks of life.

    • CRIME: America is the most violent nation on the face of the earth. Major cities like New York, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta and Philadelphia have been all but over run by hordes of savage criminals. The liberal government papers these subhuman and attempts to disarm law-abiding citizens. The American Knights demand that our cities be liberated from these barbarians. We shall remove the killers and rapists from our streets and execute those that deserve it.

    • ABORTION: Thousands of innocent children are slaughtered each day at Baby killing centers all over the country. The government has made abortion a convenient form of birth control. The American Knights will outlaw this barbaric, satanic practice and punish the sadistic doctors who are guilty of these crimes against humanity.

    • GUN CONTROL: The so-called gun control bills enacted by the government are nothing but anti-self defense laws designed to disarm law abiding White citizens. The Klan will completely restore the right of all law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms.

    • THE MEDIA: All three of our television networks are controlled by jews. Most of our daily newspapers, magazines and book publishing companies are owned by jew tycoons. The Klan will smash this jewish monopoly of our mass media. We will restore the right of free speech and open debate of political issues.

    • EDUCATION: America's public schools, colleges and universities have been turned into political indoctrination centers run by deprived liberals, communist and jews in our public. WHITE teachers and students are raped and robbed by niggers and other savages on a daily basis. The Klan will remove the criminals from the classrooms and put them behind bars where they belong. Forced bussing will be outlawed. Prayer will be returned to our schools. All teachers who continue to promote anti-American doctrine will be removed and replaced by decent American patriots.

    • HOMOSEXUALITY: The Klan will take away all the special rights and privileges granted to homosexuals by the liberal dictatorship over the last few years. Homosexuals will no longer be permitted to adopt children or “marry” each other. Gay bars, gay nightclubs, and gay bathhouses will be shut down.

    • IMMIGRATION: Millions of Third World bandits enter our country illegally every year. The Republicans and Democrats do nothing to halt this massive invasion. America is being transformed into a new Mexico. The American Knights call for an end to this madness. We shall halt all immigration from non-White nations and use the U.S. Army to restore integrity to our borders.

    • THE NEGRO PROBLEM: The Klan is strongly opposed to the insane policies that discriminate against White people in favor of unqualified and lazy niggers. We shall abolish affirmative action and minority quota systems. All unqualified blacks will be removed from positions of power and influence in our government. The Klan will launch a massive campaign to liberate our cities from the black gangs that presently terrorize them.

    • THE ECONOMY: Jewish bankers and shylocks control the American economy with an iron hand. The American Knights will remove these users from power and restore a Constitutional money system. Taxes will be lowered, the corrupt Federal system will be smashed, and the foreign buying up of our nation will be halted. The Klan will place trained economist in charge of our economy and punish the jew tycoons who have brought America to the brink of financial disaster.

    • FOREIGN POLICY: The Klan favors a strong foreign policy that closely guards American interests around the world. The Klan will encourage all other White nations to throw off the yoke of zionist/liberal occupation. All aid to worthless third World nations like Israel will be cut off. The foreign policy of the Klan led United States will be: AMERICA FIRST, LAST AND ALWAYS!


    Racist, right-wing nut-jobs.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSUSpartans View Post
    Like I said there was no one big switch. There was however a gradual change of both party platforms and demographics. Depends on where you start but we could be talking a period anywhere from 50 to 100 years.

    I know you are playing devil's advocate, but it is untruthful to say 1) one big switch occurred 2) also deny that any change happened.
    J douche already knows that it occurred over a period of time. He is attempting to deny that right wing radical groups aren't right wing. Now that the racist in chief has been elected, it's cool to be and support these groups and the groups that oppose are the violent ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    From the Nazi website
    Yeah, you conveniently left out a great deal of what actual Nazis stood for when it comes to government control...you only left in the racial element. I wonder why, but ok. So now I'd like you to show me where DJT's platform mirrors this...specifically, where on his website does he claim to want to annihilate a specific race of people?




    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    KKK platform
    Yeah, those dimocraps sure had a hateful platform, didn't they? Still do, in fact.

    If the "far right" somehow adopted this platform...then show me examples of elected Repulicans promoting segregation, examples of of elected Repiblicans having ties to the KKK, and show me the lengthy list of elected dimocraps who immediately switched party affiliations and began promoting civil rights legislation. I'm sure this all happened, right?

    Youre an utter buffoon who has no idea how hilariously idiotic you're making yourself look.
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    Everything with this obsessed mental midget is about the evil white man!

    Leftism is the ideology of authoritarianism masquerading as ignorant idealism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    Everything with this obsessed mental midget is about the evil white man!

    Odd, isn't it?

    Dimocraps love to claim conservatives who talk about gays the most are actually are closeted fags themselves.

    So by that logic, what does it say about losers like Pavian who literally obsess over racism every second of every day (that isn't devoted to guzzling firewater)?

    Whenever I meet a new person, I find their race to usually be the least interesting thing about them. Not dimocraps...they're the ones who look at skin color and immediately conclude those saps are too helpless to achieve anything without the helping hand of big government.
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    I have no doubt this race-obsessed moron is the most racist poster here. As you say, he's projecting.

    Everyone here has unanimously condemned Ku Klux Democrats but the troll continues to beat this dead horse.

    He was already banned once for incessantly calling other posters racists, will it happen again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    I have no doubt this race-obsessed moron is the most racist poster here. As you say, he's projecting.

    Everyone here has unanimously condemned Ku Klux Democrats but the troll continues to beat this dead horse.

    He was already banned once for incessantly calling other posters racists, will it happen again?

    That was the final tell.
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    You guys really are idiots. And I love when your bullshit is exposed, how you all deflect. If it weren't so sad it would be comical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    You guys really are idiots. And I love when your bullshit is exposed, how you all deflect. If it weren't so sad it would be comical.

    What exactly do you believe you have "exposed" here? You skipped out on answering some very basic questions...you fat, alcoholic whale.

    I can hardly wait to hear this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NFLTrends View Post
    Just curious sinced its been claimed many times, but I cant find any history on the switch... Did it happen before the civil war? Right before the civil rights in the 1960's? The beginning of WW2 when Democrats in power put Japanese Americans in camps?
    The.North was mostly republican and the south Democrat. That has changed.. So what happened? Did their stances flip flop?
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    Still wondering when the republican north and the democratic south decided to flip flop on policy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Still wondering when the republican north and the democratic south decided to flip flop on policy?
    When did the switch happen? Any dates or time frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    The.North was mostly republican and the south Democrat. That has changed.. So what happened? Did their stances flip flop?

    I don't know, did they?

    Let's take a look at the Electoral map of 1976, for example. Should have been enough time for this big switch to kick in, correct? If so, how do you explain this?




    Gee...looks to me like Jimmy Carter (a dimocrap) swept the entire south, including every single former confederate state (sans Virginia).

    Is your next step to claim the big switch happened in the 1980s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDeuce View Post
    I don't know, did they?

    Let's take a look at the Electoral map of 1976, for example. Should have been enough time for this big switch to kick in, correct? If so, how do you explain this?




    Gee...looks to me like Jimmy Carter (a dimocrap) swept the entire south, including every single former confederate state (sans Virginia).

    Is your next step to claim the big switch happened in the 1980s?
    Haha, the entire country "switched" during the 1980s, and what a decade it was!

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