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    FLASHBACK 2014: Paul Ryan Says DACA “Blatantly Unconstitutional” – Now He Wants to Keep It

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    In a 2014 interview with conservative Sean Hannity before he became Speaker of the House Paul Ryan said Obama’s Dreamer Act was unconstitutional.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...ow-wants-keep/

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    Are you kidding me??????

    With this idiot in charge, who needs an opposition party??

    Paul Lyin' Ryan has to go!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaKid View Post
    This should have ended a long time ago
    The DACA was passed into law just four years ago, chubby.
    donnie trump is just another Nixon.....well that is if Nixon had 8th grade literacy and was 100 lbs overweight
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Huh? Thats the way the country was founded
    heh....ckid not one of our more educated posters w regard to US history
    donnie trump is just another Nixon.....well that is if Nixon had 8th grade literacy and was 100 lbs overweight
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    give us a SIP, chubby.....you're way overdue
    donnie trump is just another Nixon.....well that is if Nixon had 8th grade literacy and was 100 lbs overweight
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    End illegal DACA.

    Restore the rule of law.

    Secure the border.

    Remove ALL Illegal Aliens.

    End voter fraud - any state without proper voter ID laws doesn't get counted in the electoral college.

    MAGA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    End illegal DACA.

    Restore the rule of law.

    Secure the border.

    Remove ALL Illegal Aliens.

    End voter fraud - any state without proper voter ID laws doesn't get counted in the electoral college.

    MAGA!
    You have a busy list there. Best to you continuing to see those dreams come true from your home in Canada!
    donnie trump is just another Nixon.....well that is if Nixon had 8th grade literacy and was 100 lbs overweight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Lanquel View Post
    You have a busy list there. Best to you continuing to see those dreams come true from your home in Canada!
    Pass the bong, Steve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    Pass the bong, Steve.

    You'll need to leave your home in Canada and legally cross into the USA so we can meet and I can get you properly stoned. I suggest a future meeting in Colorado. I will promise to pick you up at airport in a manly- gas guzzling SUV
    donnie trump is just another Nixon.....well that is if Nixon had 8th grade literacy and was 100 lbs overweight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Lanquel View Post
    You'll need to leave your home in Canada and legally cross into the USA so we can meet and I can get you properly stoned. I suggest a future meeting in Colorado. I will promise to pick you up at airport in a manly- gas guzzling SUV
    A rental, of course
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    Quote Originally Posted by mplastered View Post
    A rental, of course
    well yeah.....(might even be a Hybrid....but if Joe is baked his sanctimony will be smoothed out)
    donnie trump is just another Nixon.....well that is if Nixon had 8th grade literacy and was 100 lbs overweight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    End illegal DACA.

    Restore the rule of law.

    Secure the border.

    Remove ALL Illegal Aliens.

    End voter fraud - any state without proper voter ID laws doesn't get counted in the electoral college.

    MAGA!
    Those are six of the many great accomplishments for president Trump
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    The Big 0 on DACA

    "this is not a path to citizenship"
    "this is not a permanent solution"
    "this is a temporary fix"

    Well, it's time to stop playing games, it's time to stop lying, it's time to stop living on easy street, it's time to stop creating wedge issues because you can't win on policy, it's time for career politicians to do their job

    Come up with a permanent solution, write a law that addresses this issue and ultimately gives people a path to citizenship. It's time to act like educated adults, and to stop acting like career politicians.

    It's time to grow up people, and sniff a fucking clue
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie99 View Post
    The Big 0 on DACA

    "this is not a path to citizenship"
    "this is not a permanent solution"
    "this is a temporary fix"

    Well, it's time to stop playing games, it's time to stop lying, it's time to stop living on easy street, it's time to stop creating wedge issues because you can't win on policy, it's time for career politicians to do their job

    Come up with a permanent solution, write a law that addresses this issue and ultimately gives people a path to citizenship. It's time to act like educated adults, and to stop acting like career politicians.

    It's time to grow up people, and sniff a fucking clue
    So what you are advocating is that Congress do it's job?
    What are you, crazy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingPurple View Post
    Oh come on every fucking American who has children is spending other people's money. Maybe they should pass a bill about that? Why should I pay more in taxes because you have children? Fuck that. So yeah I get screwed everyday by almost every American here so I'm not worried about these 800,000 people
    Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense, BP.

    You don't like one govt program pulling money out of your pocket, so go ahead and create another!

    Seriously....WTF is wrong with you liberals? DACA is illegal!

    It's called THE RULE OF LAW....NOT the rule of EMOTION.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    So what you are advocating is that Congress do it's job?
    What are you, crazy?
    With RINOs like this this, who needs an opposition party?

    Smart move by Trump forcing these swamp creatures to face the music on DACA going into the primaries.

    Time to clean House...and the Senate!
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    Once President Trump ends ANOTHER illegal Hussein program, the Kenyan will speak out.

    Oh goody! I can hardly wait!

    Nothing unites the right more than hearing that clueless buffoon and his "that's not who we are!" condescending tone scolding law- abiding Americans.

    "Dreamers"

    As if hard-working Americans aren't dreamers?

    I can just hear the arrogant piece of shit.... "It's the right thing to do!!!"

    Take your third world Kenyan Muslim values and shove them up your ass!
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    14 Things the MSM Won’t Tell You About DACA


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    by JOHN NOLTE5 Sep 2017277

    Whenever a Republican wants to move forward — you know, pass some legislation or even enforce the law as already written, they always, always, ALWAYS have to run through a mainstream media propaganda gauntlet dedicated to the status quo, loyal only to the Democrat cause and by extension opposed to anything resembling progress.

    Obamacare is an objective disaster; nonetheless, the media fights tooth and nail to save it. Our tax code is a backwards, prosperity-stifling haven for corporatist special interests; nonetheless, the media will do everything in its power to ensure not a single word is altered.


    Then there is illegal immigration, which, like abortion, the MSM treats as its own personal sacrament. Flooding America, primarily Red States, with illegal Democrats who also serve the interests of a Big Business Complex desperate to keep wages low and unions non-existent, there is nothing our corrupt media will not do to keep that illegal flood flooding.


    And so, as President Trump prepares to keep one of his biggest promises and end President Barry’s un-constitutional Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) amnesty program, all we are seeing from our establishment media is the usual-usual propaganda: flat-out lies, half truths, the ignoring of vital pieces of information and points of view, and most of all, emotional blackmail.


    Man alive, the emotional blackmail.


    If your only understanding of this complicated issue comes from the MSM, of course you are outraged over the fact that Trump is about order an army of jackbooted ICE agents to kick in daycare center doors, snatch up all the “brown children,” and then hurl the angelic toddlers (with actual rings of gold hovering over their heads) into cattle cars headed south.


    Hopefully the list below will offer some clarity and context. The first point, I think, is the most important.


    This Is Only the Fault of the Parents

    My wife was born in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico, and came to America as a small child. But she was brought here by her parents legally and remained here legally until she obtained her citizenship, something she prizes above most everything else. This is how immigration is supposed to work. If you ask my wife about DACA, she blames the parents of these children who, unlike her own parents, broke the law and put their children in this situation.


    If your parents don’t pay the rent, is it the landlord’s fault when you are evicted, or is it the fault of your parents?


    If your parents sneak you into Disneyland without paying, is it Disney’s fault when you are booted out, or is it the fault of your parents?


    If your parents sneak you into a country illegally, is it the country’s fault when you get deported, or is it the fault of your parents?


    Blaming America or Trump or anyone other than the parents for any of this, is a ruse, a con, a rhetorical trick.


    DACA Recipients Are Illegal Aliens

    This simple fact has been so downplayed and memory-holed, it just needed to be spoken out loud.


    DACA Is a Massive Amnesty Program

    Although the DREAMers are in the country illegally, DACA allows some 800,000 to stay in the country legally without any kind of penalty. Qualified DREAMers are not only given a two-year deferment from deportation, they are eligible for a work permit, which means they can legally take a job in America.

    DACA Recipients Are Not the Children

    DACA is eligible only to those aged 15-32.


    A very large percentage of DACA recipients are adults, not children or even minors.

    DACA Recipients Take Jobs Americans WILL Do

    The idea that illegal aliens take jobs Americans won’t do is, of course, a lie. Plenty of Americans, most especially young Americans, would love the opportunity to work on a construction site or some other manual labor job. Moreover, if the wages were better, plenty of American would be willing to work in the fields. An untold number of young Americans who live in farm communities already do. But when you flood the country with illegal and/or foreign workers this — by design — suppresses wages to a point where only those willing to be exploited are willing to do this work for almost no money.


    Nevertheless, even this lie does not apply to DREAMers, many of whom have a high school diploma or a GED, and a work permit. These are not field workers, these are hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens competing for the same jobs against the 4 million young Americans who enter the workforce every year.

    Some DACA Recipients are Criminals

    Over 5 years, between 2013 and 2017, a total of 2,139 DACA recipients lost their amnesty benefits “due to criminality or gang affiliated concerns.”

    The DACA screening process is in reality a joke, a rubber stamp.


    DACA Is Not a Law, It Is the Violation of Law

    President Obama’s DACA program is not a law or even a policy. Rather, it is a brazen violation of the immigration law as written and passed by the American people’s representatives in congress.


    People in the country illegally are supposed to be deported and repatriated into their own country. That is the law here in America. That is the law in every country in the world, including Mexico.


    Most DACA Recipients are Not Overachievers

    It seems as though every time we see a DACA recipient in the media, he or she is the next Albert Einstein, someone on the verge of curing cancer and poverty.


    The reality is actually quite different:


    “The [DACA] eligibility bar was set very low, explicitly allowing people with multiple misdemeanor and certain felony convictions to be approved. Only a handful of the applicants were ever interviewed, and only rarely was the information on the application ever verified,” said Jessica M. Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies….


    “[T]his statistic undercuts the image of DACA that has been spread by the pro-illegal alien groups and the news media, that the DACA recipients are mostly college kids. This is not true. We don’t know much about the population, but one of the few credible studies that has been done, by a scholar at Harvard University, found that at most are more than 22 years old, and only about 20 percent graduated from or attended a four-year college. A significant share never went beyond high school. This is not really all that surprising, since over 72 percent come from a family at or below poverty level and accessing some public assistance.”


    While there are some true-life scholars in the DACA program, these are not a representative sample:


    For example, one-third of the people in the study sample who are older than age 25 hold four-year college bachelors’ degrees or better. In contrast, an August 2013 report by the pro-amnesty Migration Policy Institute showed that only 7.5 percent of the 800,000 DACA-qualified illegals who were 18 or older had four-year college degrees or better. An August 2017 study by the MPI showed only 5 percent of 832,000 DACA illegals who were older than 18 had four-year college qualifications.


    Also, the 7.5 percent graduation rate reported by the new study is roughly one-quarter the 33 percent of native-born Americans with four-year degrees.


    DACA Is Wildly Unfair to Americans, Most Especially Young Americans Just Starting Out

    You followed the rules. Your parents obeyed the law. You are one of the 4 million Americans ready to enter the workforce every year, eager to begin your own life, to pursue the American dream, but you have to compete against hundreds of thousands of line-jumpers for the same entry-level job.


    Moreover, this flood of labor depresses your wages.


    DACA Was Already Litigated and Debated in 2016

    The American people have already had the DACA debate. Hillary Clinton promised to expand DACA. Trump promised to end DACA.

    Trump won.


    DACA Encourages More Illegal Immigrants

    Although DACA does not officially grant amnesty to the children of illegal immigrants who have arrived after 2007, the message is still clear: America does not have the will to enforce its own immigration laws. Of course that message works as a magnet for illegals. If you recall…


    Obama declared his DACA amnesty in 2012. Central Americans saw the announcement, read the details — and roughly 400,000 people headed north during the next four years.


    Moreover, making that trek is dangerous, especially from South America. People die of exposure and are exploited, sometimes sexually, by the Coyotes they hire to lead them here.


    Illegal immigration is a lose-lose for everyone but Democrats who desire the votes and business owners who do not want to pay a legal resident a fair market wage.


    In Most States, DACA Recipients are Eligible for Welfare Benefits

    AZCentral:


    Once DACA applicants are approved and receive a temporary employment authorization card, they can apply for a Social Security Number. Under this number, they can report wages and pay taxes.


    DACA beneficiaries cannot receive federal benefits such as welfare and food stamps. Some states allow for state-funded benefits, but Arizona specifically prohibits it.


    Unless It Is Stopped, DACA Will Never Stop Growing

    Every year, more and more illegal aliens become eligible for DACA’s illegal and unconstitutional amnesty program.


    Obama’s deputies low-balled his election-campaign giveaway by initially predicting it would only reach about 560,000 younger illegals who were supposedly brought into the United States by their parents before they turned 16.


    But the amnesty has already provided almost 900,000 work-permits and Social Security cards to illegals who say they are aged 36 or less. More than 92 percent of the applicants got their DACA approvals, with a rejection rate of only 7 percent. The amnesty is expected to rise above 1.9 million people as additional younger illegals become adults and try to enroll in Obama’s giveaway.


    DACA Ignores Some Criminal Behavior

    Center for Immigration Studies:


    DACA applies to individuals up to age 31 (as of June 2012, so 35 now) — hardly children; consequently, many Dreamers have long-since terminated their studies and most have committed multiple felonies in order to get jobs — Social Security fraud, forgery, perjury on I-9 forms, falsification of green cards and drivers’ licenses, identity theft, etc. Dreamers continue to commit these job-related crimes right up to the day their DACA status is approved and they obtain work permits and their own genuine Social Security numbers.


    In addition, many illegal aliens qualifying for DACA status have previously been arrested and convicted of multiple misdemeanors and some have previously been or continue to be associated with violent gangs, as evidenced by a report in the Seattle Times that states that over 1,500 Dreamers have had their DACA status revoked since 2012 due to their involvement with criminal gangs.

    On the true merits, the DACA debate is a loser for the Left and their media — which is why the 14 facts above must remain largely unspoken.

    http://www.breitbart.com/immigration...ont-tell-daca/
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    I'm totally SHOCKED the traitorous fake news gaystream media would LIE about DACA: the Obamacare of illegal immigration, but without Congressional approval!

    "Dreamers!"

    "It's the right thing to do!"

    Nothing like preying on people's emotions in order to create ILLEGAL programs and piss on the Constitution, something Democrats seem to have down to a fine art.

    Where the fuck have Congressional Republicans been since 2014 challenging this illegal horseshit?

    Small wonder Trump won leaving 16 other RINOs in his dust.
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    Can't Trump just end the program himself, what does he want congress to do?

    Some type of grand bargain on immigration? Hasn't that already been soundly rejected? That's the main reason (policy wise atleast) he won.
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    Liberal heads exploding all over again in 3...2....
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    The horror of ending DACA! Kinda like ripping unborn babies out of the womb!! Oh. Wait. That's what the LEFT does....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    Can't Trump just end the program himself, what does he want congress to do?

    Some type of grand bargain on immigration? Hasn't that already been soundly rejected? That's the main reason (policy wise atleast) he won.

    Yes, he just did end it...sort of.

    He put it back in the hands of congress, whose job it is to actually get things like this done. The POTUS does not have the authority to invent or implement his own immigration laws.

    If nothing happens after six months, I believe DACA is dead and overwith (someone correct me if I'm wrong). We will see how much of a priority this is for congress.
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    What I'm saying is what specifically is congress supposed to get done in relation to DACA?

    Just make it law through a more constitutional process?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    Once President Trump ends ANOTHER illegal Hussein program, the Kenyan will speak out.

    Oh goody! I can hardly wait!

    Nothing unites the right more than hearing that clueless buffoon and his "that's not who we are!" condescending tone scolding law- abiding Americans.

    "Dreamers"

    As if hard-working Americans aren't dreamers?

    I can just hear the arrogant piece of shit.... "It's the right thing to do!!!"

    Take your third world Kenyan Muslim values and shove them up your ass!
    I read that article yesterday. Thought to myself, what's he going to do,
    throw a hissy fit? Anything he says will be pointless. He has taken the
    title of most insignificant ex-president away from Carter and we all know
    that was a hard thing to do.
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