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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    What I'm saying is what specifically is congress supposed to get done in relation to DACA?

    Just make it law through a more constitutional process?
    Yep. It was an executive order not a law. He is kicking back in their lap.
    You want to do sometime about immigrants? Pass a new law.
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    Can you imagine the housecleaning we will accomplish by the time 8 years is up? Progressive tears will be
    cheap enough to drink every day instead of special occasions.

    ''Sunday evening, Politico reported that POTUS Trump is to end DACA following a six month delay.
    This move could not be more genius.'

    'The political gamesmanship the President put on display relative to DACA is an example of a “masterstroke”.
    First off, it must be noted that DACA will be ending after a six month delay. Why the six month delay? Good
    question, this might be why: Republicans running for primaries during 2018 will HAVE to discuss DACA as it
    will be a major talking point in both the media and in debates.'

    "Republicans trying to win their primaries KNOW that the #MAGA base is strong and dedicated to “making America
    great again,” so these conservatives will have to prove their loyalty to the vision President Trump presented in 2016.

    The House and the Senate both will not have enough votes to execute any sort of motion to keep DACA around
    and ultimately it would end in a veto, which, again, they would not have enough votes to override.

    DACA will be ending in April and by then, most primaries will take place just a month after, meaning everyone
    is going to be talking about this, and any #NeverTrump conservatives attempting to run will be stuck between
    Trump and a hard place, so it will be a tough haul for someone like Senator Jeff Flake to pull a win off and
    meanwhile, the Democratic plan to run on issues related to economic policy have been utterly disrupted.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    Can't Trump just end the program himself, what does he want congress to do?

    Some type of grand bargain on immigration? Hasn't that already been soundly rejected? That's the main reason (policy wise atleast) he won.
    Deporting 12 million illegals is not plausible, it's not going to work and just trying to do such will deeply divide the country.

    But we can't create a path for legalization until the borders are secured, otherwise nothing is accomplished and we're dealing with the same bullshit 10 years from now, probably worse.

    So IMO, Trump is bringing it all to a head and trying to force Congress to address an issue they've been avoiding like the black plaque. Secure the boarder AND then address the 12 million illegals we have. Career politicians prefer to do nothing, complain, lie, take easy street and somehow get reelected by being all things to all people.

    One of the best things about Trump is he's not one of them.
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    The White House
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    For Immediate Release
    September 05, 2017





    President Donald J. Trump Restores Responsibility and the Rule of Law to Immigration


    “I believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible, as long as we focus on the following goals: To improve jobs and wages for Americans; to strengthen our nation's security; and to restore respect for our laws.” – President Donald J. Trump
    RESPONSIBLY ENDING UNLAWFUL IMMIGRATION POLICY: Today, the Trump Administration is rescinding the previous Administration’s memorandum creating the unlawful Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and has begun to end the program responsibly.

    • Attorney General Jeff Sessions sent a letter to the Department of Homeland Security explaining that DACA was not statutorily authorized and was therefore an unconstitutional exercise of discretion by the executive branch.
      • Attorney General Sessions found that DACA, given pending litigation, would likely face the same outcome as the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) program, which was enjoined by the courts.

    • The Trump Administration is taking responsible action to wind down DACA in an orderly and minimally disruptive manner.
      • If President Trump allowed DACA to go to court, it is likely that the court would abruptly enjoin the program.
        • If President Trump had refused to act, many States were prepared to pursue litigation to end DACA by court order.

      • Under the change announced today, current DACA recipients generally will not be impacted until after March 5, 2018, six months from now. That period of time gives Congress the opportunity to consider appropriate legislative solutions.

    • DHS’s enforcement priorities remain in place. However, absent a law enforcement interest—which is largely the standard that has been in place since the inception of the program—the Department will generally not take actions to remove active DACA recipients.
      • DACA recipients range from ages 15 to 36, with the overwhelming majority being of adult age.

    • Initial requests for Employment Authorization Documents under DACA properly filed and accepted through today will be processed.
      • Additional DACA initial applications filed after today will not be accepted.

    • Renewal applications for DACA Employment Authorization Documents properly filed and accepted by October 5, 2017, for people whose current Employment Authorization Documents expire between today and March 5, 2018, will be processed.
      • Any such requests filed after October 5, 2017 will not be accepted.

    • Currently approved applications for advance parole for DACA recipients will generally be honored, but new applications will not be approved.
      • All pending applications for advance parole by DACA recipients will be closed and associated fees will be refunded.

    RESTORING LAW AND ORDER TO OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM: The DACA program was never intended to be permanent—even President Obama admitted it was a temporary, extraordinary measure. And President Obama repeatedly recognized that such unilateral actions were in excess of the Executive’s appropriate role.

    • President Obama admitted publicly on at least a 22 occasions that creating a DACA-like program was beyond his authority. President Obama said:
      • In 2011, that “there are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through Executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.”
      • In 2010, that providing people in America illegally with legal status and ignoring the laws on the books “would be both unwise and unfair.”

    • President Obama admitted in 2012 that DACA, implemented in an election year, was “a temporary stopgap measure.”
    • Partly because of DACA, the United States saw a surge in illegal immigration by minors in 2013-2014, because they hoped to take advantage of the program.
      • President Obama knew this would be a problem, admitting in 2010 that a DACA-like policy “could lead to a surge in illegal immigration.”

    • President Trump refuses to allow criminal activity to dominate our immigration system, taking action to restore the law and protect all Americans.
      • One of President Trump’s first Executive orders informed sanctuary jurisdictions that failure to fully abide by Federal immigration laws would jeopardize access to certain Federal grant money.
        • As a result, Miami-Dade County reversed its years-long sanctuary policy.

      • The DOJ issued new charging guidelines in April to bring to an end the previous Administration’s catch-and-release policies by prioritizing criminal immigration enforcement.
      • Since President Trump’s inauguration, illegal immigration on the southwest border is down by 47 percent compared to the same period last year.
      • Illegal alien removals resulting from to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrests have increased by over 32 percent.
      • So far in Fiscal Year 2017, ICE has arrested at least 3,641 criminal gang members compared to 2,057 criminal gang members in all of Fiscal Year 2016.

    REFORMING IMMIGRATION TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN: DACA made it impossible for President Trump to pursue the reforms needed to restore fairness to our immigration system and protect American workers.

    • President Trump’s highest obligation is to uphold the laws of the United States. So long as the unlawful policies of the previous Administration remain—especially those that incentivize further illegal immigration—there is no realistic chance of achieving principled pro-worker immigration reform. His priorities include:
      • Controlling the Border: President Trump intends to secure the southwest border with a border wall and a robust law enforcement presence on the border.
      • Improving Vetting and Immigration Security: Our immigration system, including our asylum and refugee system, make the United States potentially exposed to terrorist and public safety threats. We need to improve vetting and set limits that allow for proper vetting.
      • Enforcing Our Laws: President Trump supports the swift removal of those who illegally enter the United States or violate the conditions of their visas.
      • Protecting Our Workers: President Trump is working to encourage companies to raise wages and recruit American workers. This means stopping the practice of hiring illegal workers who unlawfully deprive American workers of jobs and higher wages.
      • Establishing a Merit-Based System for Entry: President Trump supports efforts to prioritize immigrants based on skills and thereby prevent the displacement of American workers.





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    Statement from President Donald J. Trump


    As President, my highest duty is to defend the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America. At the same time, I do not favor punishing children, most of whom are now adults, for the actions of their parents. But we must also recognize that we are nation of opportunity because we are a nation of laws.
    The legislative branch, not the executive branch, writes these laws – this is the bedrock of our Constitutional system, which I took a solemn oath to preserve, protect, and defend.
    In June of 2012, President Obama bypassed Congress to give work permits, social security numbers, and federal benefits to approximately 800,000 illegal immigrants currently between the ages of 15 and 36. The typical recipients of this executive amnesty, known as DACA, are in their twenties. Legislation offering these same benefits had been introduced in Congress on numerous occasions and rejected each time.
    In referencing the idea of creating new immigration rules unilaterally, President Obama admitted that “I can’t just do these things by myself” – and yet that is exactly what he did, making an end-run around Congress and violating the core tenets that sustain our Republic.
    Officials from 10 States are suing over the program, requiring my Administration to make a decision regarding its legality. The Attorney General of the United States, the Attorneys General of many states, and virtually all other top legal experts have advised that the program is unlawful and unconstitutional and cannot be successfully defended in court.
    There can be no path to principled immigration reform if the executive branch is able to rewrite or nullify federal laws at will.
    The temporary implementation of DACA by the Obama Administration, after Congress repeatedly rejected this amnesty-first approach, also helped spur a humanitarian crisis – the massive surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America including, in some cases, young people who would become members of violent gangs throughout our country, such as MS-13.
    Only by the reliable enforcement of immigration law can we produce safe communities, a robust middle class, and economic fairness for all Americans.
    Therefore, in the best interests of our country, and in keeping with the obligations of my office, the Department of Homeland Security will begin an orderly transition and wind-down of DACA, one that provides minimum disruption. While new applications for work permits will not be accepted, all existing work permits will be honored until their date of expiration up to two full years from today. Furthermore, applications already in the pipeline will be processed, as will renewal applications for those facing near-term expiration. This is a gradual process, not a sudden phase out. Permits will not begin to expire for another six months, and will remain active for up to 24 months. Thus, in effect, I am not going to just cut DACA off, but rather provide a window of opportunity for Congress to finally act.
    Our enforcement priorities remain unchanged. We are focused on criminals, security threats, recent border-crossers, visa overstays, and repeat violators. I have advised the Department of Homeland Security that DACA recipients are not enforcement priorities unless they are criminals, are involved in criminal activity, or are members of a gang.
    The decades-long failure of Washington, D.C. to enforce federal immigration law has had both predictable and tragic consequences: lower wages and higher unemployment for American workers, substantial burdens on local schools and hospitals, the illicit entry of dangerous drugs and criminal cartels, and many billions of dollars a year in costs paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Yet few in Washington expressed any compassion for the millions of Americans victimized by this unfair system. Before we ask what is fair to illegal immigrants, we must also ask what is fair to American families, students, taxpayers, and jobseekers.
    Congress now has the opportunity to advance responsible immigration reform that puts American jobs and American security first. We are facing the symptom of a larger problem, illegal immigration, along with the many other chronic immigration problems Washington has left unsolved. We must reform our green card system, which now favors low-skilled immigration and puts immense strain on U.S. taxpayers. We must base future immigration on merit – we want those coming into the country to be able to support themselves financially, to contribute to our economy, and to love our country and the values it stands for. Under a merit-based system, citizens will enjoy higher employment, rising wages, and a stronger middle class. Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue have introduced the RAISE Act, which would establish this merit-based system and produce lasting gains for the American People.
    I look forward to working with Republicans and Democrats in Congress to finally address all of these issues in a manner that puts the hardworking citizens of our country first.
    As I’ve said before, we will resolve the DACA issue with heart and compassion – but through the lawful Democratic process – while at the same time ensuring that any immigration reform we adopt provides enduring benefits for the American citizens we were elected to serve. We must also have heart and compassion for unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans.
    Above all else, we must remember that young Americans have dreams too. Being in government means setting priorities. Our first and highest priority in advancing immigration reform must be to improve jobs, wages and security for American workers and their families.
    It is now time for Congress to act!



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    'This is about basic decency!' Obama lashes out at Trump for ending DACA program as he calls it a 'political' and 'cruel' decision – but urges Congress to preserve what he started





    Former President Barack Obama lashed out at President Donald Trump's decision to rescind his DACA executive action, labeling the move as 'cruel' in an immediate admonition of his predecessor following the move. Obama signed the order Trump moved to undo after Congress failed to enact immigration reform. He posted on Facebook that DREAMers are 'Americans in their hearts, in their minds.' He called Trump's decision 'cruel,' adding, 'It’s a political decision, and a moral question
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    'It is particularly cruel to offer young people the American Dream... then punish them for it': Mark Zuckerberg and Kristen Bell lead the celebrities slamming the Trump administration's 'winding down' of DACA

    Celebrities furiously reacted to the Trump administration's decision to wind down the DACA program.
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    Mark Zuckerberg took to Facebook to call on Congress to pass legislation that would allow those protected under DACA a chance at citizenship
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    Actress Kristen Bell called the decision to end DACA a fail that doesn't represent American values






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    Lin-Manuel Miranda and Judd Apatow weighed in on the administration's DACA decision






    'The Bad Man continues to do bad'






    Apatow rolled several Trump administration issues into one tweet
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    Mark Ruffalo and Chelsea Handler also took to Twitter with their reactions to DACA






    'A cowardly act'






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    Hundreds of students from Denver area schools marched out of classes on the first day of school in protest of DACA announcement

    Hundreds of high school students in Denver walked out of classes on Tuesday to protest against the Trump administration's announcement that it will rescind DACA.
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    Hundreds of high school students in Denver walked out of classes on Tuesday morning to protest against the Trump administration's announcement that it will rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program


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    The students were from several schools in the area and gathered together at a number of locations to protest against the President Donald Trump ending the program that currently affects 800,000 undocumented immigrants in the U.S.


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    Denver police officers helped to escort students at various intersections in the city to ensure safety and were on scene at the peaceful gatherings
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    Protests from supporters of the DACA program broke out of over the weekend and extended into Tuesday at the White House (above) and Trump Tower in New York City
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    'Disgraceful,' 'shameful,' 'despicable,' cruel' and 'bigoted': How Democrats reacted to Trump's 'wind-down' of DACA program as they promise to wage 'the civil rights fight of our generation'

    Democratic lawmakers reacted with fury to the announcement by Attorney General Jeff Sessions that the administration is rescinding the DACA program.
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    ‘Trump’s cowardice is on full display today,' wrote Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi after the DACA announcement
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    Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) blasted the decision to wind-down DACA on Tuesday
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    Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) was among Democrats who pounded President Trump for the DACA decision
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    House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) said in a statement he hoped Congress could reach a 'consensus' on the issue
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    'Please Go Away': Lisa Boothe on Obama Slamming DACA Decision

    Political commentator Lisa Boothe said former President Obama "had his chance" when it comes to fixing the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.
    President Obama is expected to speak out against President Trump's decision to pass the baton to Congress regarding the 800,000 individuals who came to the country illegally as children.
    "With all due respect to the former president, please go away. You had your chance," Boothe said on "Outnumbered" Tuesday.
    DACA has been criticized as unconstitutional. The former president called the program "temporary" in 2012, and requested Congress act to protect "Dreamers" legally.
    Obama "subjecting these individuals to the headwinds of politics and the changing administration" was "playing politics," Boothe said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    I read that article yesterday. Thought to myself, what's he going to do,
    throw a hissy fit? Anything he says will be pointless. He has taken the
    title of most insignificant ex-president away from Carter and we all know
    that was a hard thing to do.
    True to form, the community organizer lectured law-abiding Americans about " basic decency" and played the race card.

    What a disgusting POS!
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    Statement from Pres. Trump on Rescinding DACA Executive Amnesty




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    Tue, SEP 5th 2017 @ 1:09 pm EDT

    Pres. Trump issued the following statement today following Attorney General Jeff Sessions' announcement that the administration is rescinding Pres. Obama's unconstitutional DACA executive amnesty:
    As President, my highest duty is to defend the American people and the Constitution of the United States of America. At the same time, I do not favor punishing children, most of whom are now adults, for the actions of their parents. But we must also recognize that we are nation of opportunity because we are a nation of laws.
    The legislative branch, not the executive branch, writes these laws – this is the bedrock of our Constitutional system, which I took a solemn oath to preserve, protect, and defend.
    In June of 2012, President Obama bypassed Congress to give work permits, social security numbers, and federal benefits to approximately 800,000 illegal immigrants currently between the ages of 15 and 36. The typical recipients of this executive amnesty, known as DACA, are in their twenties. Legislation offering these same benefits had been introduced in Congress on numerous occasions and rejected each time.
    In referencing the idea of creating new immigration rules unilaterally, President Obama admitted that “I can’t just do these things by myself” – and yet that is exactly what he did, making an end-run around Congress and violating the core tenets that sustain our Republic.
    Officials from 10 States are suing over the program, requiring my Administration to make a decision regarding its legality. The Attorney General of the United States, the Attorneys General of many states, and virtually all other top legal experts have advised that the program is unlawful and unconstitutional and cannot be successfully defended in court.
    There can be no path to principled immigration reform if the executive branch is able to rewrite or nullify federal laws at will.
    The temporary implementation of DACA by the Obama Administration, after Congress repeatedly rejected this amnesty-first approach, also helped spur a humanitarian crisis – the massive surge of unaccompanied minors from Central America including, in some cases, young people who would become members of violent gangs throughout our country, such as MS-13.
    Only by the reliable enforcement of immigration law can we produce safe communities, a robust middle class, and economic fairness for all Americans.
    Therefore, in the best interests of our country, and in keeping with the obligations of my office, the Department of Homeland Security will begin an orderly transition and wind-down of DACA, one that provides minimum disruption. While new applications for work permits will not be accepted, all existing work permits will be honored until their date of expiration up to two full years from today. Furthermore, applications already in the pipeline will be processed, as will renewal applications for those facing near-term expiration. This is a gradual process, not a sudden phase out. Permits will not begin to expire for another six months, and will remain active for up to 24 months. Thus, in effect, I am not going to just cut DACA off, but rather provide a window of opportunity for Congress to finally act.
    Our enforcement priorities remain unchanged. We are focused on criminals, security threats, recent border-crossers, visa overstays, and repeat violators. I have advised the Department of Homeland Security that DACA recipients are not enforcement priorities unless they are criminals, are involved in criminal activity, or are members of a gang.
    The decades-long failure of Washington, D.C. to enforce federal immigration law has had both predictable and tragic consequences: lower wages and higher unemployment for American workers, substantial burdens on local schools and hospitals, the illicit entry of dangerous drugs and criminal cartels, and many billions of dollars a year in costs paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Yet few in Washington expressed any compassion for the millions of Americans victimized by this unfair system. Before we ask what is fair to illegal immigrants, we must also ask what is fair to American families, students, taxpayers, and jobseekers.
    Congress now has the opportunity to advance responsible immigration reform that puts American jobs and American security first. We are facing the symptom of a larger problem, illegal immigration, along with the many other chronic immigration problems Washington has left unsolved. We must reform our green card system, which now favors low-skilled immigration and puts immense strain on U.S. taxpayers. We must base future immigration on merit – we want those coming into the country to be able to support themselves financially, to contribute to our economy, and to love our country and the values it stands for. Under a merit-based system, citizens will enjoy higher employment, rising wages, and a stronger middle class. Senators Tom Cotton and David Perdue have introduced the RAISE Act, which would establish this merit-based system and produce lasting gains for the American People.
    I look forward to working with Republicans and Democrats in Congress to finally address all of these issues in a manner that puts the hardworking citizens of our country first.
    As I’ve said before, we will resolve the DACA issue with heart and compassion – but through the lawful Democratic process – while at the same time ensuring that any immigration reform we adopt provides enduring benefits for the American citizens we were elected to serve. We must also have heart and compassion for unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans.
    Above all else, we must remember that young Americans have dreams too. Being in government means setting priorities. Our first and highest priority in advancing immigration reform must be to improve jobs, wages and security for American workers and their families.
    It is now time for Congress to act!
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    Oh, so that's it!

    If you're an American "in your heart" - presto! - you're an American, rule of law be damned! Just cross the border and say the magic words ("I'm voting Democrat!") and the American taxpayer will feed, house, clothe and educate you and your family!

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