I'm starting to think some coaches are

United · Jan 17, 2018

screwing around on purpose so they can play starters longer. I mean no starter likes sitting on the bench just because they get big leads so everyone else can play. You have to keep them happy so they come to your school in the first place and then don't want to transfer out because of playing time. They want to raise their stats. And on the other hand what coaches call off the dogs and just run more set plays, because they want to work on things and want their starters and players 6-7-8 sitting on the bench a lot of the 2nd half. I mean you have to prepare for conf tournament and NCAA tournament and if your best players are always on the bench because your up and the game out of reach how are they going to get the experience of being in close games the last 5 to 7 minutes down the stretch and even more crucial the last 3 min utes of a game.

Makes it awful hard for us gamblers to cover spreads when you don't know what coach, player, or team, is doing this, and pretty sure most don't give a dam about who are money is on anyway.

what's your thoughts on this?

BuckitDude · Jan 17, 2018

Makes a lot of sense. I guess when you come across and scratch your head type of line the oddsmakers have Probably factored that in.crazy mind game.

$4nothing · Jan 17, 2018

Point shaving certainly not new.

1. 1994-95 Northwestern
2. 1978-79 Boston College
3. 1985 Tulane
4+ 1947 and 1950 Seven colleges, including Manhattan

Drugs, alcohol, "providing" women, money....play their part, probably even MOREso today.

United · Jan 17, 2018

No doubt that's always a chance on the Point Shaving.

But that's not what I'm talking about here. I mean coaches who are purposely controlling outcomes of games. Games that could have been won by dd's easily, (they know they are going to win)(so not pouring it on) but wanting to see more set plays and situations from the regulars so it helps them down the stretch come conf tournament time and NCAA time. All of a sudden they are not running transition, or their best players are resting more often in the first half so they don't get to far ahead early so they can be in the game in the 2nd half.

If we could figure only figure out what coaches and teams are fouling and pressing to the end even though the out come is over and what coaches even call of the dogs and even have their subs slowing it down, some subs try to score and they all get into it, and other coaches even have the reserves dribble it out to the end, which coaches, what teams, if we only knew the teams then that would be a extra tidbit of info to know,

LowTide · Jan 17, 2018

Maybe I am off base, but I feel like Jay Wright leaves his guys in and allows beatdowns to continue to the buzzer. Hate betting against Villanova for that reason.

DarkStar · Jan 17, 2018

Bet the games in Halfs & stay clear of Big spreads????(*8/9 & Up]

Au_H2O_III · Jan 17, 2018

United- Why would a coach screw around and keep the score close to keep their starters in as opposed to keeping the starters in and just running up the score to ensure a win. Not sure I follow the logic behind this.

United · Jan 17, 2018

Low Tide said:
Maybe I am off base, but I feel like Jay Wright leaves his guys in and allows beatdowns to continue to the buzzer. Hate betting against Villanova for that reason.

They have been a covering machine on the spreads.

I like Wichita St at home in conf games, really think they try to please their fans, and used to love IU under Crean

heynow · Jan 17, 2018

Low Tide said:
Maybe I am off base, but I feel like Jay Wright leaves his guys in and allows beatdowns to continue to the buzzer. Hate betting against Villanova for that reason.

Wright mostly uses a 7 man rotation when healthy. He has two contributing bench players out with broken hands. His starters see lots of minutes right now

United · Jan 17, 2018

Au_H2O_III said:
United- Why would a coach screw around and keep the score close to keep their starters in as opposed to keeping the starters in and just running up the score to ensure a win. Not sure I follow the logic behind this.

By close I mean when they get up DD's in the first half and then all of a sudden they are not transitioning or always going to their best scorers as if they need a basket. Other players getting some plays called, or they may go from their man to man def which was obviously working to play some zone. Working on things down the road that may help them.

EX: 15 point lead and you just know they could have stretched it out even more, all of a sudden they are changing their own momentum by subbing in and out and call special plays, coaches are using this as a learning experience and to work on future things, or different lineup changes, experimenting,

Some of these athletes (most) don't want to sit on the bench and watch the scrubs take their minutes. Coach doesn't have a whole lot of choice if his team is so far ahead to start the 2nd half and they pull away even more, he is forced to play the subs a lot more minutes, or really gets accused of running it up, they just know they are going to beat this team and it doesn't matter to them if they don't cover the 15 point game.

I'm thinking some of these coaches are satisfied with the the DD win between 12-18 and regulars and key subs getting the minutes instead of the scrubs.

tmader7 · Jan 17, 2018

U, I'm watching shitloads of ACC action and not one coach is pulling starters until around a minute left if the game is in hand. Of course this is probably the most competitive conference, so I can't speak for what's going on elsewhere, except I can tell you hands down, when to play against Vandy, LOL. Gonna need a winna from ya tonight.

~T~

United · Jan 17, 2018

I guess I have just seen so many games where teams get ahead comfortably, and you can almost just see it coming, all of a sudden they are no longer popping 3's or getting out and getting some easy baskets, they start using shot clock and then running a set play when the clock gets down to 10 or under. The next thing you know the lead is dwindling!

I know I can't be the only one that sees this

tmader7 · Jan 17, 2018

Well, and I pointed this out to my good friend from the "Southern" of the Carolinas last night, these teams stocked with "One and Done" players certainly present an issue to us gamblers. I could reel off a list of a half dozen schools in that position and you're right, the shit can hit the fan in the second half and the bet tanks. That's the problem with "immature" players, not battle tested mentally in a much larger venue. Big step up from high school to college. JM2CW.

~T~

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