Yep they can sure cut into the profits made on win/place bets. I'm trying to cut back on playing them. So far I have 4 #1 picks and 2 #2 picks win. Usually I be playing dds or exs but so far I only played 2 and hit both for $32.40 and $38.40. In fact in race 9 had the top 4 finishers cold. Would have missed the rest and lost a lot of profit.