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    I would say the chances of banning abortions are about the same as banning guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    I would say the chances of banning abortions are about the same as banning guns.
    Agreed. Never going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    We all know Pence is a religious whack job- and if any of you truly believed in "constitutional rights" you would understand his religious views have no business in the federal government.

    And I love how you "anti-choice conservatives" only believe in small government and personal liberty when it is your personal, subjective, and contestable views of freedom that get to carry the day. Such hypocrisy.

    If you really favored private decision-making and personal freedom, then you should favor pro-choice every time.
    when does a baby have constitutional rights? and why?



    on a sidebar

    is it worse to kill something that should be alive or to argue something should live rather than be killed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    I would say the chances of banning abortions are about the same as banning guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis Toboggan View Post
    Agreed. Never going to happen.

    certainly not "in our life"

    science (and compassion) would have to advance to levels we can't comprehend just yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    Here you go idiot......

    Recent research from the Pew Research Center indicates that 69 percent of Americans  or 7 in 10  say Roe v. Wade should not be completely overturned. This represents a 6-point increase in the number of individuals who expressed this sentiment just a few years ago.
    Uh, overturn Roe != "pro choice"

    I presented a poll specifically asking about the term pro-choice.

    It is hilarious watching someone with your IQ pretend they are clever.
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    1. Religion has no business in government- needs to be separation of church and state just like our founding gun-barring forefathers intended.
    2. You can't pick and choose which personal freedoms you support or don't. Just like free speech. I don't agree with the white supremacists gathering and spewing their hatred, but under the constitution the have the right to do it.
    3. Republicans continue to infringe on many personal freedoms.
    4. Pence is a religious whack job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    1. Religion has no business in government- needs to be separation of church and state just like our founding gun-barring forefathers intended.
    2. You can't pick and choose which personal freedoms you support or don't. Just like free speech. I don't agree with the white supremacists gathering and spewing their hatred, but under the constitution the have the right to do it.
    3. Republicans continue to infringe on many personal freedoms.
    4. Pence is a religious whack job.
    The idea that killing babies should be legal because of "a separation of church and state" is a total non-sequitur. If you had half a brain you wouldn't
    be parroting such inanity.

    The founding fathers didn't intend a separation of church and state, that is a lie pushed by the liberal lying left. As a matter of fact, most early state constitutions
    *required* government employees to sign a document stating that they were Christians.


    For example, Delaware constitution:

    Delaware's constitution is typical of the understanding of the authors of the federal constitutions 1st amendment meant as to what constitutes the establishment of religion by the state. In Article 22 a common sense oath is required to affirm an office holder in the state is at least a nominal Christian. The people of Delaware had real world experience in the characters and nature of men. In founding their state they preferred to take their chances among professing Christians in offices of trust verses those who reject Christ and the moral demands he makes of people. Article 29 demonstrates the mindset of the day in the new nation that the oaths in Article 22 isn't establishing a religion. In acknowledging that they regard the scriptures as of divine origin to the exclusion of all of the religions of the world. In other words they considered those religions false. That's only one side of the coin. The other side of that coin is the recognition of the frailties of men and their propensities toward sin. Therefore they understood that neither the citizens nor especially the state possessed the wherewithal to determine the truth as laid out in those scriptures for their neighbor. In todays mindset this constitutes the establishment of one religion over the other, but not in theirs. The establishment of one religion over another to them was a vehicle of evil men to separate the ruled from personnel interaction with their creator and to weed out and destroy the propagators of real religion. This does nothing of the sort but instead recognizes the real world limits of human government and the dangers of immoral men wielding it's power. Does this constitution imply that people not endeavoring to follow Christ are more likely to be immoral and wicked. Absolutely! Does it force Christianity on the public? No, the means to bring the public to true faith belonged not to human government to to those called of God and their churches. Besides the public already considered themselves to be Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    1. Religion has no business in government- needs to be separation of church and state just like our founding gun-barring forefathers intended.
    2. You can't pick and choose which personal freedoms you support or don't. Just like free speech. I don't agree with the white supremacists gathering and spewing their hatred, but under the constitution the have the right to do it.
    3. Republicans continue to infringe on many personal freedoms.
    4. Pence is a religious whack job.
    1. Religion has no business in anything. It's a private matter for
    those who choose to participate.
    2. Sure you can. By definition that's what freedom is all about.
    3. Of course they do. Just out of curiosity, which many personal freedoms
    would those be?
    4. Pence is a religious man. Until he starts speaking in tongues and
    sacrificing virgins I won't call him a whack job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post

    The founding fathers didn't intend a separation of church and state, that is a lie pushed by the liberal lying left.
    Killing babies is tpical lying right bullshit.

    On to your other lie: On January 1, 1802, President Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, who had requested clarification about the meaning of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Jefferson described the Establishment Clause of First Amendment by writing, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    Killing babies is tpical lying right bullshit.

    On to your other lie: On January 1, 1802, President Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, who had requested clarification about the meaning of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Jefferson described the Establishment Clause of First Amendment by writing, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
    You made a general statement about our forefathers. You were lying... Actually you're just painfully ignorant. And, then you google and find a statement in a letter Jefferson wrote in 1802, talking about
    NOT ALLOWING THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE A SPECIFIC RELIGION ON THE PEOPLE, and that's what
    you're clinging to.

    Ignorant hack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    Killing babies is tpical lying right bullshit.

    On to your other lie: On January 1, 1802, President Thomas Jefferson wrote a letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, who had requested clarification about the meaning of the First Amendment to the Constitution. Jefferson described the Establishment Clause of First Amendment by writing, “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state.”
    Read what the letter was actually about you stupid political hack.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptis...urch_and_state
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    Go get em FZ......Sweep the leg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post
    you stupid political hack.
    Says the one who doesn't support personal freedoms. 2nd time you been exposed in this area fucking fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    1. Religion has no business in government- needs to be separation of church and state just like our founding gun-barring forefathers intended.
    2. You can't pick and choose which personal freedoms you support or don't. Just like free speech. I don't agree with the white supremacists gathering and spewing their hatred, but under the constitution the have the right to do it.
    3. Republicans continue to infringe on many personal freedoms.
    4. Pence is a religious whack job.
    Number 2 is just an asinine statement. If someone believes abortion is murder, of course they have the right to not support abortion. The right to murder someone is not a "personal freedom".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    Says the one who doesn't support personal freedoms. 2nd time you been exposed in this area fucking fraud.
    The personal freedom to kill someone? Man, you libtards are really stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis Toboggan View Post
    Number 2 is just an asinine statement. If someone believes abortion is murder, of course they have the right to not support abortion. The right to murder someone is not a "personal freedom".
    Exactly. People with an IQ above 12 understand this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post
    Exactly. People with an IQ above 12 understand this.
    Ya, the debate he should be engaging in is whether abortion is murder or not. If it is murder then abortion is not a personal freedom. If abortion is not murder then, yes, it would be a personal freedom. Pretty simple.

    That said, the abortion/murder debate is one of the worst and I have no interest in going there. It's one of the least productive uses of time around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    Says the one who doesn't support personal freedoms. 2nd time you been exposed in this area fucking fraud.
    Quote Originally Posted by BZ View Post
    I will refrain from childish name calling as I am a man- not an adolescent. You are epitomizing exactly what rolltide exposed down here.

    ....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis Toboggan View Post
    Ya, the debate he should be engaging in is whether abortion is murder or not. If it is murder then abortion is not a personal freedom. If abortion is not murder then, yes, it would be a personal freedom. Pretty simple.

    That said, the abortion/murder debate is one of the worst and I have no interest in going there. It's one of the least productive uses of time around.
    I don't even think it needs to be whether abortion is murder, I think it just needs to be: does an unborn baby have rights? Clearly the answer is yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post
    I don't even think it needs to be whether abortion is murder, I think it just needs to be: does an unborn baby have rights? Clearly the answer is yes.
    Ya, sure, that's another way to look at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post
    The personal freedom to kill someone? Man, you libtards are really stupid.
    You got it correct this time. Before you called him ignorant.

    He can obviously read although he appears to not understand what he's reading.

    He can obviously write although he can't form a coherent sentence.

    Ignorant? no. Stupid? yes. Libtard? absolutely!
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