Baseball rule question

GoBlue34 · Apr 23, 2018

I was watching a game before my son's game and there were 2 outs in the bottom of the last inning with a runner on 3rd, tie game. The batter struck out, catcher dropped the ball and threw out the slow runner at 1st and the first baseman touched 1st, didn't tag the runner so force out for 3rd out. However the runner from third ran home because of the past ball and the ump ruled that the runner from 3rd touched home BEFORE the out happened at 1st and the home team won.

To me, that's a force out at 1st so inning over, no run scored and the game should have continued. Agree or am I wrong?

NFLTrends · Apr 23, 2018

GoBlue34 said:
I was watching a game before my son's game and there were 2 outs in the bottom of the last inning with a runner on 3rd, tie game. The batter struck out, catcher dropped the ball and threw out the slow runner at 1st and the first baseman touched 1st, didn't tag the runner so force out for 3rd out. However the runner from third ran home because of the past ball and the ump ruled that the runner from 3rd touched home BEFORE the out happened at 1st and the home team won.

To me, that's a force out at 1st so inning over, no run scored and the game should have continued. Agree or am I wrong?

Runner scored before the force out, I believe the ump was right. Still was only 2 outs when runner scored

niltes · Apr 23, 2018

I always thought any force out took precedence over a scoring play

NFLTrends · Apr 23, 2018

niltes said:
I always thought any force out took precedence over a scoring play

Think thats why runner needs to tag on fly outs.... ground balls I think are fair game

slapshot · Apr 23, 2018

niltes said:
I always thought any force out took precedence over a scoring play

no run batter has to reach 1st

NFLTrends · Apr 23, 2018

slapshot said:
no run batter has to reach 1st

And that could possibly be the right answer!

Thinking about it now, if there was a runner on first and third, and both tried to steal, and the runner on third made it home before the tag out at second, then the run would score.

Slap is more than likely right!

Willie99 · Apr 23, 2018

Run doesn't count

I've seen some weird rulings in youth sports, especially when parents are umpiring

packer2012 · Apr 23, 2018

"Force out" has no bearing on this. The fact the batter runner was out having never made first base is the key. If he (batter/runner) attained first and over ran or turn to second.... Then the timing of the tag coming back would matter. No run!

Enfuego · Apr 23, 2018

If the same runner was on third base and the batter grounded out to the SS and the runner from 3rd crossed home before the out, does the run count?

Of course it doesn't.

Willie99 · Apr 23, 2018

a force out at any base would take the run off the boards

PatsFan1283 · Apr 23, 2018

Surprised no one brought up the fact the ump probably just wanted to go home.

Doubt he's getting paid extra for a 17 inning affair.

Willie99 · Apr 23, 2018

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made.
(1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base;
(2) by any runner being forced out; or
(3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

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