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High cost of launching sports betting in certain states could keep companies away

A.J. PEREZ | USA TODAY SPORTS | 20 hours ago

The U.S. Supreme Court has overturned a federal prohibition on sports betting as unconstitutional under the 10th Amendment. New Jersey, the state originating the case, will be the first state to legalize sports gambling, Richard Wolf reports.
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One New Jersey racetrack set Memorial Day as the target date to accept the state’s first bets in the wake of Monday’s Supreme Court ruling that cleared the way for sports gambling nationwide.


The estimated $150 billion per year illegal sports gambling industry, however, isn’t going away anytime soon. One need only look to Pennsylvania – one of a handful of states that passed legislation in anticipation of the decision to overturn the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act (PASPA) – to see a major reason why.

Starting sports books in certain states could be an expensive venture.
Starting sports books in certain states could be an expensive venture.
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“There is a huge black market that pays zero tax,” Greg Carlin, CEO of Rush Street Gaming, whose company operates two casinos in Pennsylvania, told USA TODAY Sports. “If legal sports betting is going to be a regulated and successful business, the tax rates can’t be so high that it makes it impossible to compete with the black market.”

Pennsylvania is seeking a $10 million licensing fee, along with a state tax of 34% on gaming revenue. By comparison, Nevada – the only state before Monday that had legalized, state-sanctioned betting – pays 6.75% to the state. All states must pay a federal excise tax, which equates to about another 5%.


It’s a sticker price that has given multiple companies pause, including two that operate gambling establishments in the state: Rush Street (Rivers Casino in Pittsburgh and Sugar House Casino in Philadelphia) and Penn National Gaming (Hollywood Casino in Grantville).

“We haven’t made a final determination on whether to pursue sports betting in Pennsylvania,” Jeff Morris, vice president of public affairs and government relations at Penn National Gaming, said in an email to USA TODAY Sports. “In addition to the high application and annual licensing fees, the challenge will be trying to make the 34% tax rate work – this would be the highest tax rate in the world on sports betting. For comparison, West Virginia recently passed a sports betting law at a 10% tax rate, which is the range most states are considering.”

New Jersey is expected to tax gaming revenue between 8%-10%, and Mississippi, another state that could launch sports gambling in the coming week, will have a tax of 8%.

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Carlin said Rush Street Gaming “hasn’t made a decision” to launch sports betting under the current terms, although he didn’t rule out jumping into the market to keep a competitive advantage if others decide to pounce.

“There could be circumstances that we would get in, even if it means we aren’t going to make any money and possibly lose money,” Carlin said. “We are still assessing costs and making projections. We want to see the regulations are completed.”

Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board spokesperson Doug Harbach said that likely won’t happen until next month, at the earliest. Harbach said the agency has had conversations with potential sports gaming operators, although it’s too soon to conclude how many – or if any – will agree to the current fee and tax rates.


Sports law attorney David S. Weinstein told USA TODAY Sports that some gambling companies openly questioning whether to open locations in states with high tax rates could just be "lobbying."

"This is free money for the states," said Weinstein, former assistant U.S. Attorney and a partner at Hinshaw & Culbertson. "Before Monday, they got no revenue from sports gambling. If nobody wants to come in and pay the tax rates the legislators set, they could say, 'Fine. You don't want to pay it. We will just run it ourselves.'"

While sports gaming is seen as the next frontier for many states to boost their coffers, those within the industry frequently point out that it’s a low-margin business.


The American Gaming Association, the lobbying arm for casinos, estimates that sports books in Nevada make about 5% after taxes and expenses. Some sports books – like William Hill, which operates more than 100 locations in the state – are more profitable, according to a study by Deutsche Bank released in March.

William Hill will run what is expected to be the first sports book to open in the post-PASPA era at the Monmouth Park Racetrack in Oceanport, N.J.

The company was founded by its namesake in Britain more than 80 years ago when sports betting was illegal in the UK, and the gaming giant came to the U.S. in 2012 waiting for what occurred in Washington on Monday.


“I think that was one of the reasons they bought my business,” said Joe Asher, who became CEO of William Hill U.S. after the acquisition of his Nevada gaming operation (Lucky’s Race & Sports Books) and two others six years ago.

“The idea was to buy these three sports books, combine them and make it into profitable business that would position itself to take advantage of the market when sports betting became legal in the U.S., whether that was 2013, 2015, 2018 or 2025. We didn’t know when it was going to happen, but we knew one day it would happen.”

Along with taxes, another complicating factor is a 1% integrity fee the sports leagues are seeking in many states. That would come out of the “handle,” the total amount taken in by a sports book for a bet -- not on the revenues generated. No state has so far passed legislation that would include such a fee, although bills under consideration in Illinois, Kansas, Indiana and New York do include it.

“I’ve been trying to get the word out because 1% seems like a nice, small number,” Asher said. “Really, that 1% would equate to about 20% of the revenues.”

The end result could be that states seeking higher taxes and agreeing to integrity fees could end up with the same tax revenue on sports gambling as they had before the Supreme Court ruled: None.
 

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I hope they do all of this the RIGHT way...I know for myself if regular lines are more than -110, I will continue with my offshore outs.
 

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There's no way any casino in Pa should pay $10 million for a license & 34% tax rate.......but we all know Penn National gaming, etc....want to get into sports betting & they don't want the state govt running it.

If the state runs sports betting themselves, how will they do it? Where will people bet?

I'm assuming like lottery, keno or virtual sports betting?
 

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There's no way any casino in Pa should pay $10 million for a license & 34% tax rate.......but we all know Penn National gaming, etc....want to get into sports betting & they don't want the state govt running it.

If the state runs sports betting themselves, how will they do it? Where will people bet?

I'm assuming like lottery, keno or virtual sports betting?

If they make it where you can put in straight bets in where the lottery is accepted, that would be awesome.
 

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Why anyone would pay even one dollar in any fees is beyond me. It's assumed a market is just going to show once the ok is in.

No state can prove it can deliver at least 10 million in bets at any time including football season.

This will be a miserable failure for many.

All Nevada has to do is sit tight and let the market come to it. They will be paying us the 1 percent not the leagues if they want this to work one inch.
 

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Why anyone would pay even one dollar in any fees is beyond me. It's assumed a market is just going to show once the ok is in.

No state can prove it can deliver at least 10 million in bets at any time including football season.

This will be a miserable failure for many.

All Nevada has to do is sit tight and let the market come to it. They will be paying us the 1 percent not the leagues if they want this to work one inch.

Things are going to get ugly on many fronts over the next 12 months.
 
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There's no way any casino in Pa should pay $10 million for a license & 34% tax rate.......but we all know Penn National gaming, etc....want to get into sports betting & they don't want the state govt running it.

If the state runs sports betting themselves, how will they do it? Where will people bet?

I'm assuming like lottery, keno or virtual sports betting?

It looks like to me in Pa, with a $10million fee, they're going to make certain only the casinos can offer sports betting...no mom and pop restaurants for sure..Crazy!
 

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It looks like to me in Pa, with a $10million fee, they're going to make certain only the casinos can offer sports betting...no mom and pop restaurants for sure..Crazy!


Yeah, but 34% tax rate is stupid expensive......the casinos will break even or lose money........that's not happening. The moron that came up with that tax rate should be fired. The casinos would probably pay $10 million for a license fee, which by the way is the most expensive in the world, but so is the 34% tax rate. If the rate was like 8%, then think the $10 million might be paid.
 

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Things are going to get ugly on many fronts over the next 12 months.

Agree. Down here Pam Bondi will be bathing in a tubful of gold. All I'm planning to do is make a few short trips from Tampa to Biloxi in about 3 months. They will be ready and at the post there and nice beaches too. After that just let things shake out. BTW, how you doin' old friend?
 

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