Pennsylvania Badly Needs A Sports Betting Intervention

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Everyone has a Chad in their friend group.

Chad, always one to impress with how he met one of Drake’s security personnel at the club last night, albeit met with a tinge of skepticism from the group.

Always continuing to one-up stories by making his case with ridiculous claims of now having an in for a party with Drake, now met with eye rolls and scoffs.

Pennsylvania is the Chad for legalized sports betting.

Always one to impress
At one time, the Keystone State was considered one of the odds-on favorites to first introduce regulated single-game wagering outside of Nevada.

While New Jersey was carrying the load in the US Supreme Court case, Pennsylvania lawmakers in October 2017 passed a gaming expansion bill that included legalizing PA sports betting. On May 14, SCOTUS ruled in New Jersey’s favor, striking down the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act to clear the way for regulated wagering.

Now, more than a month later, like a mourner at a wake, PA is on the outside looking in. Although really, Pennsylvania might as well be in the casket. And with the rope in the study, it was the state’s lawmakers that put it there.

It was that group that decided to get all Ottoman Empire on a still-unborn industry by proposing a head-spinning 36 percent tax – 34 percent to the state, 2 percent to local coffers – on gross sports betting revenue. Yes, that is in fact gross. That rate is on top of an up-front $10 million fee just for properties to obtain a sports betting license.

Always making a case
If casino and sportsbook operators were hesitant with just the tax rate – which would stand as the highest rate in any jurisdiction in the world – they’re folding their cards at $10 million before even seeing the flop.

Hollywood Casino spokesman Eric Schippers told Penn Live in May that Pennsylvania “has strangled the goose on this one.”

The state has done more than that, as it has plucked the feathers and started preheating the Traeger – all while trying to call the bluff of potential licensees.

“I think they will all participate and would be shocked if they didn’t,” Pennsylvania Rep. Robert Matzie told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette earlier this month. “In sports-crazy Pittsburgh and sports-crazy Philadelphia, you’re going to see it bring a lot more people into the casino, watching the big-screen TVs, and when they get those people in the door to bet they’ll also hopefully drop money at the tables or in the slots.”

Always standing steadfast, driving himself out of the group
The state has not wavered from its proposed regulations, which the PA Gaming Control Board published last month. Pennsylvania, though, is welcoming public comments on said regulations.

And in a twist, it has been one of the very sports leagues that took New Jersey to court over PASPA, one of the same leagues that were laughed and shouted out of the room when meeting with Jersey lawmakers for possible integrity fees, that are speaking out on the state’s rates and fees. (For perspective, neighboring New Jersey will tax in-person revenue at 8.5 percent at casinos and racetracks, online casino revenue at 13 percent and online track revenue at 14.25 percent; Nevada has a 5-percent tax rate.)

In a letter from the NFL: “Finally, we would like to share our concerns that the statutory operator licensing fees of $10 million and the 34 percent tax rate on gaming revenue may render legal market participants unable to effectively compete with those in the illegal market.”

Granted, many of the other leagues and teams chimed in for integrity fees, more universal regulation or for outright prohibition of sports betting. Still, when the NFL – sitting on its throne while the Jeff Rosses of the world roast it – provides some insight into PA’s ridiculousness, that should be cause for concern.

Nothing is set in stone just yet for Pennsylvania sports betting. In fact, it does not appear anything will be until later this year or even into 2019.

Chad is not one to tell your group of friends that he has been wrong. But perhaps an intervention from that group – the leagues, casinos, track operators, and sportsbooks – can set Chad straight.
 

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If Pa lawmakers don't change the fees & tax rare, they will miss out on huge tax revenue on football.season & all that money that would come from Maryland.......this has become a complete joke for Pa. 3 weeks & nobody has filed for a license fee, they should get the point, or maybe not, they're politicians that have no brains
 

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Exactly what I expected from a bankrupt state run by idiots face)(*^%

Morons are prob worried they will lose all their lotto n keno money to sports gambling.


organize a march on Harrisburg :103631605
 

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Exactly what I expected from a bankrupt state run by idiots face)(*^%

Morons are prob worried they will lose all their lotto n keno money to sports gambling.


organize a march on Harrisburg :103631605

Yeah, its been 3 weeks & nobody has stepped forward a the ridiculous license fee & tax rate........to be honest, I hope casinos don't buy the license fee & stay away from sports betting until the lawmakers finally understand the stupid decisions they made on the fee & tax rate. Maybe then they will lower them down.
 

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rganize a march on Harrisburg? Politicians will join the march and rally with the people. Then they'll go and vote against lowering fee/tax and vote themselves a raise and...….. Da people will re-elect.

Looking forward to Rx Hilton challenge.


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Pa. takes in $200K in first month of legalized fantasy sports betting


Pennsylvania took in just under $200,000 in tax revenue for the month of May according to the very first tax report issued for fantasy sports contests under the state’s gaming expansion bill.

Under gaming expansion, websites like DraftKings, FanDuel and Yahoo Fantasy Sports, which host fantasy sports betting contests online, needed to register with Pennsylvania if it took bets from anyone in the state.

The state then collects 15 percent in tax revenue from those bets.

Doug Harbach, spokesman for the Pennsylvania Gaming Commission, said these companies were in operation before the gaming expansion, but no taxes were collected.

Several states had banned the websites from within their borders, but Pennsylvania was not one of them.

Fantasy sports betting involves the bettors choosing real athletes to create their own virtual team and then collecting points based on how each well each of those players performs during a game or over the course of the sport’s season. Entry fees and winnings vary by game.

While it is the first tax revenue the state has received under the new gaming expansions, the $199,755.94 the state will receive from the $1,331,706.34 in fantasy sports bets placed in Pennsylvania is not a large amount.

Harbach, said however, that the state hadn’t made a prediction of how much tax revenue it would receive from the games.

“We didn’t really know at what level Pennsylvania players were betting at,” he said, noting that prior to May no taxes were collected at all.

A total of 10 websites are registered to accept fantasy sports bets in Pennsylvania, however, two did not report any revenue for May, likely due to the seasonal nature of the sports they take bets on.

Fantasy sports betting is the first of six gaming expansion initiatives being implemented in Pennsylvania, others include adding Keno to lottery outlets and online lottery games.
 

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A 15% tax rate on fantasy sports but 36% on sports betting??? A bunch of morons in Pa are running the show.......they are leaving a of of money on the table with their stupidity.
 

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TCG, mind me asking why you're so invested in this? obviously you would not have been around here for 12 years if you're struggling with getting your bets down so why do you care so much about being able to bet sports in a casino? i also find it humorous that this state is so bass-ackwards but this law will never get me to drive over to Rivers Casino or The Meadows to get a bet down when I can do it in about 5 seconds online
 

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TCG, mind me asking why you're so invested in this? obviously you would not have been around here for 12 years if you're struggling with getting your bets down so why do you care so much about being able to bet sports in a casino? i also find it humorous that this state is so bass-ackwards but this law will never get me to drive over to Rivers Casino or The Meadows to get a bet down when I can do it in about 5 seconds online


I will still play with.my local guys......but having a local casino where you can lay money at the window & collect right after the game or at end of the day cant be beat. They're supposed to have a mobile app which will be very convenient as well.

One local guy I have to go over a certain limit/swing to collect or pay.

Also, it would be nice to hang out at the sports book on an NFL Sunday now & then with a bunch of friends & enjoy the games......we use to back in the late 90's at the OTB when they had the NFL ticket, a bunch of us use to go in there & eat & bet the games with the local & enjoy the games. OTB stopped that over 15 years ago.

Also, you have to jump thru hoops to send money down offshore, & you can only collect a certain amount each time (I don't do bitcoin)......if offshore would be legal thru banking, etc......I would go thru bookmaker & pinnacle & not think twice about local casinos.
 

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West Virginia A Big Favorite To Have Legal Sports Betting Before Neighboring Pennsylvania


Pennsylvania regulators need to get on the ball.

Whenever the Keystone State finally goes live with legal sports betting, it will be trying to catch up with not one, not two, but three neighboring states.

This was confirmed on Wednesday, when West Virginia — a state doing everything it can to siphon off gaming revenues from parts of PA — announced that the state’s Lottery Commission had approved the proposed sports betting regulations, setting the stage for a launch prior to the first NFL games. Casinos and racetracks in both Delaware and New Jersey have both already begun taking bets.

What’s in the WV regulations?
The West Virginia regulations contained, among other things, the following:

Three skins per casino

Skins must conspicuously display the name of the casino under which they hold a license on both their website and mobile app

No in-person registration required for online betting

Temporary facilities can take bets for up to 90 days


As per the law that legalized sports betting in WV, casinos will pay $100,000 up front for a sports betting license and be subject to a 10% tax on gross gaming revenue.


And with that, West Virginia expects to have sports betting up and running within the next couple months.

An unforced error by PA
It didn’t have to go down this way for Pennsylvania. While it was always likely New Jersey and Delaware would be the first to go live once the Supreme Court opened the door for sports betting outside of Nevada, West Virginia was never in that same boat.

The Mountain State has five casinos, three of which are within easy driving distance of Pennsylvania. And they will be gunning hard for Pennsylvanians in the early months, particularly in the increasingly likely scenario that Pennsylvania is not ready to go in the fall, when football starts.

But Pennsylvania, which passed its law several months before West Virginia, has failed to make progress at the same rate as its neighbor to the south.

Politicians and regulators can only blame themselves.

Will they even pay?
Herein lies the problem. It’s just too expensive.

A $10 million license fee — and approximate 41% tax rate on gross revenue — will cause some venues to swipe left on the endeavor altogether. It’s not a matter of if, but how many.

And this speaks to some greater concerns about the gambling law passed last Fall.

The addition of satellite casinos, which already brought in more than $125 million for the state, must be looked at as a success. And so far the online lottery looks promising.

But enthusiasm is tepid at best about online poker and casinos. Given more than two months have passed since the door opened for interactive gaming license applications, and to our knowledge not a single application has been processed, it feels like time to start worrying.

And that brings us back to sports betting.

Temporary regulations were approved on May 30, and the following day the application process was opened. But as of June 4, there had been no movement, and if there’s been any since, it’s still under the radar.

Could we be looking at a situation similar to online casinos, where months pass without a single application coming in? Given the up-front costs, it’s hard to blame casinos for taking some time to weigh the pros and cons.

Will WV be able to take advantage?
West Virginia sports books will be operating under much more desirable conditions than their Pennsylvania counterparts, and may be able to take advantage of that to gain an edge on numerous potential customers who live close to the interstate border. If Pennsylvania casinos are unable to offer the same betting odds as West Virginia, many Pennsylvanians will likely make that trek.

WV sports books should be open by sometime in August, giving them what will almost certainly be a multi-month advantage over PA. That, coupled with the structural advantages in the state’s law, could help bring in a considerable number of customers who might otherwise have stayed in their home state.

Maybe Pennsylvania will get it together and fast track their regulatory process, but if I had to bet, I’d say there will be plenty of Pennsylvania plates in the parking lots of Mountaineer, Hollywood, and Wheeling Island when Week 1 of NFL season comes around.
 

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I knew PA would *bleep* this up. I could see the danger signals flashing left and right; the seeds of disaster attempting to sprout. What a bunch of chuckle heads. They are broke, yet they insist on turning away "free" money.
 

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I knew PA would *bleep* this up. I could see the danger signals flashing left and right; the seeds of disaster attempting to sprout. What a bunch of chuckle heads. They are broke, yet they insist on turning away "free" money.

Yeah, Pa lawmakers really screwed this up.......if we don't get it up & running by Sept, it won't happen IMO until Nov or Dec.


Here's a quote:

"Under the temporary regulations, PennsylvanIa casinos with licenses can conduct sports betting at any of the 12 casinos as well as via sports betting apps. The regulations also allow wagering at off-track betting facilities in the state."


If Pa had normal license fees & tax rates like NJ & Delaware & other states, every casino would buy up a license, the OTB's would as well as would the mini casinos.

A lot of bettors from Maryland would travel to Pa to bet because MD won't get legal betting for at least 2 years.

Let's not forget all the tax revenue they would bring in from online wagering which always brings in a higher tax rate.

Pa sure messed this up pretty bad.......& its all due to greediness & stupidity.
 

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Yeah, Pa lawmakers really screwed this up.......if we don't get it up & running by Sept, it won't happen IMO until Nov or Dec.


Here's a quote:

"Under the temporary regulations, PennsylvanIa casinos with licenses can conduct sports betting at any of the 12 casinos as well as via sports betting apps. The regulations also allow wagering at off-track betting facilities in the state."


If Pa had normal license fees & tax rates like NJ & Delaware & other states, every casino would buy up a license, the OTB's would as well as would the mini casinos.

A lot of bettors from Maryland would travel to Pa to bet because MD won't get legal betting for at least 2 years.

Let's not forget all the tax revenue they would bring in from online wagering which always brings in a higher tax rate.

Pa sure messed this up pretty bad.......& its all due to greediness & stupidity.

I've heard 2019 at the earliest for PA. Time will tell...and time is running out.
 

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I work part time at an OTB in Allentown for Pocono downs. Just heard they are on board for sports betting. I guess they would split the $10 million buy in with our OTB. Our OTB would do a ton of business for sports betting. We have a great location. Just what I heard from my boss, if anything else comes up I will let you guys know.
 

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I work part time at an OTB in Allentown for Pocono downs. Just heard they are on board for sports betting. I guess they would split the $10 million buy in with our OTB. Our OTB would do a ton of business for sports betting. We have a great location. Just what I heard from my boss, if anything else comes up I will let you guys know.

Good stuff, thanks for the info, keep us updated.
 

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