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    Washington is a paper champion Washington < Ohio State < Top Tier teams of the SEC ( Bama, Georgia )

    You have auburn who beat both Georgia in the regular season. Early in the season is all about raw talent although because teams have not practiced all that much even wit those heavy returning starters. Auburn recruits better than Washington and you will see this early on. Plan on betting 2nd Half Auburn as well as these beefy line on both sides will wear down Washington.

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    Don't sleep on Washington my friend.

    Probably a playoff elimination game for both teams.
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    I agree on this being a pseudo-elimination game for both teams. I totally disagree that Auburn recruits better than Washington. Recruiting numbers mean nothing until these players actually play in a college game. Udub has a top 5 offensive line. They are big, experienced, and physical. They also have a Top 5 defensive secondary (ranked #1) and a coaching staff (ranked #4) far superior to Auburn's staff. Washington also has 3 players on various lst string All American Teams. Auburn has none. Auburn also lost their last two games of last season, both of which were played in Atlanta. Washington will make it 3 losses in a row for Auburn in Atlanta. Washington +3 is the play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pooh View Post
    I agree on this being a pseudo-elimination game for both teams. I totally disagree that Auburn recruits better than Washington. Recruiting numbers mean nothing until these players actually play in a college game. Udub has a top 5 offensive line. They are big, experienced, and physical. They also have a Top 5 defensive secondary (ranked #1) and a coaching staff (ranked #4) far superior to Auburn's staff. Washington also has 3 players on various lst string All American Teams. Auburn has none. Auburn also lost their last two games of last season, both of which were played in Atlanta. Washington will make it 3 losses in a row for Auburn in Atlanta. Washington +3 is the play.
    Recruiting #s mean nothing, you are so wrong, just quit with some of these ridiculous post
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    Someone doesn't follow UW Football.
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    Gonna lay off this one but even though I think Browning is overrated I think he will have some success against Auburn's pass defense.
    Gun to my head I would take U Dub, maybe a 21 20 type of game
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    you said it "washington is a paper champion". until they prove otherwise its tough to put money on them. all the recruits and talent in the world doesnt mean they can put it together.
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    Like W in this spot first game of season...if it's later in the year then different story.
    Great coach with great team almost intact... Auburn not so much especially on the OL which Auburn offense predicated on with the running game. This is a huge factor in first game vs a top 5 team
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeePee View Post
    Like W in this spot first game of season...if it's later in the year then different story.
    Great coach with great team almost intact... Auburn not so much especially on the OL which Auburn offense predicated on with the running game. This is a huge factor in first game vs a top 5 team
    Auburn also lost their O-line coach to Texas. Many considered Herb Hand the best line coach in the SEC. He will definitely
    be missed early in the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pathologist View Post
    Recruiting #s mean nothing, you are so wrong, just quit with some of these ridiculous post
    If you read the ENTIRE sentence, you will see that I am absolutely correct. I said that "recruiting numbers mean nothing until these players ACTUALLY PLAY IN A GAME". That is an indisputable, unquestionable fact. All the "star" rankings are is someones opinion about how the kid played in High School. A recruit is not worth a thing if he spends his carreer sitting on the bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pooh View Post
    If you read the ENTIRE sentence, you will see that I am absolutely correct. I said that "recruiting numbers mean nothing until these players ACTUALLY PLAY IN A GAME". That is an indisputable, unquestionable fact. All the "star" rankings are is someones opinion about how the kid played in High School. A recruit is not worth a thing if he spends his carreer sitting on the bench.
    Go back and research teams with top recruiting classes the last 10 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by pathologist View Post
    Go back and research teams with top recruiting classes the last 10 years
    why are you wasting your time and energy? morons are morons are morons. don't try to change them or teach them....just put 'em on ignore
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    Recruits you say,well they will be introduced to college football right into a playing a title contender in Washington.Washington don't have to replace people as they have 17 starters back.The game is also being played at a neutral site so home field is not a factor even though the game is closer to Auburn.Washington will relish the roll of (underdog)and will be totally ready for anything Auburn will throw at them,....i'll take the 3 points on opening week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Pooh View Post
    Udub has a top 5 offensive line. They are big, experienced, and physical.
    You obviously believe in the old adage - post it enough and it becomes true.

    Washington has some talent on their O-line but they have little quality depth behind the starters. They are also moving kids around to new positions. If you would have done a little homework before posting, you would know who starts the first game is very iffy at this time.

    Adams (LT) and McGary (RT) are by far their best two linemen. Adams is one of the best in the country. But unfortunately for him, he is coming off an acl injury. If reports coming out of Seattle are true he has not resumed practicing yet and his return for the Auburn game is questionable. If he does not return or is less than 100 percent, Washington's advantage on the OL takes a huge hit. It also means they will most likely move their LG (Wattenberg) to LT or start a redshirt freshman at the position (Henry Bainivalua). Wattenberg was moved out last year after Adams was injured but Bainivalua has been receiving most of the snaps there during camp. Neither of these kids have the talent or experience to replace Adams.

    Then there is Nick Harris. You probably remember him from the bama game. He was the right guard who was abused over and over and over again. He is being moved to center this year. Hopefully he is a better center than guard or his nightmare has just begun.

    Who replaces Harris at right guard is up in the air. It will be either Bainivalua if he is not moved to LT or Henry Roberts. Roberts has been a major disappointment up to now and Bainivalua (as mentioned previously) is a redshirt frosh. Can’t imagine either of these guys holding their own against one of the best D-lines in the country.

    Bottom line, if Adams is 100 percent and Wattenberg remains at LG, Washington will have 3 solid OL starters returning from last years team. Only new starters will be center and RG.

    Everything changes however if Adams does not play and Wattenberg is forced outside. Washington will end up starting a backup LT, a backup LG, a new center and new RG. McGary will be the only returning starter who started at his position last year. The experience factor you keep harping on goes right out the door along with any advantage Washington has across the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skins85 View Post
    you said it "washington is a paper champion". until they prove otherwise its tough to put money on them. all the recruits and talent in the world doesnt mean they can put it together.
    Not many teams do when they face a Nick Saban led Alabama. Guess what though, UW held their own in the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide View Post
    why are you wasting your time and energy? morons are morons are morons. don't try to change them or teach them....just put 'em on ignore
    I think what Pooh said is logical. I don't care much for recruiting class rankings until they prove it on the field.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadLast View Post
    You obviously believe in the old adage - post it enough and it becomes true.

    Washington has some talent on their O-line but they have little quality depth behind the starters. They are also moving kids around to new positions. If you would have done a little homework before posting, you would know who starts the first game is very iffy at this time.

    Adams (LT) and McGary (RT) are by far their best two linemen. Adams is one of the best in the country. But unfortunately for him, he is coming off an acl injury. If reports coming out of Seattle are true he has not resumed practicing yet and his return for the Auburn game is questionable. If he does not return or is less than 100 percent, Washington's advantage on the OL takes a huge hit. It also means they will most likely move their LG (Wattenberg) to LT or start a redshirt freshman at the position (Henry Bainivalua). Wattenberg was moved out last year after Adams was injured but Bainivalua has been receiving most of the snaps there during camp. Neither of these kids have the talent or experience to replace Adams.

    Then there is Nick Harris. You probably remember him from the bama game. He was the right guard who was abused over and over and over again. He is being moved to center this year. Hopefully he is a better center than guard or his nightmare has just begun.

    Who replaces Harris at right guard is up in the air. It will be either Bainivalua if he is not moved to LT or Henry Roberts. Roberts has been a major disappointment up to now and Bainivalua (as mentioned previously) is a redshirt frosh. Can’t imagine either of these guys holding their own against one of the best D-lines in the country.

    Bottom line, if Adams is 100 percent and Wattenberg remains at LG, Washington will have 3 solid OL starters returning from last years team. Only new starters will be center and RG.

    Everything changes however if Adams does not play and Wattenberg is forced outside. Washington will end up starting a backup LT, a backup LG, a new center and new RG. McGary will be the only returning starter who started at his position last year. The experience factor you keep harping on goes right out the door along with any advantage Washington has across the front.
    When evaluating who's going to cover a game, I've never heard of a person evaluating the second string offensive line.

    That's odd to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cloverleaf View Post
    Auburn also lost their O-line coach to Texas. Many considered Herb Hand the best line coach in the SEC. He will definitely
    be missed early in the season.
    Clover, you are right about Hand’s reputation as an O-line coach, but I have no idea why that is. He failed miserably at his last two stops - Penn State and AU. Auburn’s O-line was very average last year despite being one of the most experienced units in the country and Penn State gave up over 3 sacks per game Hand’s final two seasons (ranked 122 and 111).

    Malzahn’s relationship with Hand go back to their coaching days at Tulsa. Look up BFF in the dictionary and their picture will be there. Despite their friendship and despite Malzahn’s loyalty (to a fault), Hand was told to pound sand and find employment elsewhere. That would not have happened if he was doing a good job.

    Bringing Grimes back was not a sexy hire - he can’t recruit a lick. He is, however, a damn good position coach. Despite AU’s lack of talent this year, look for them to improve fundamentally and be more physical than the previous two years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfuego View Post
    When evaluating who's going to cover a game, I've never heard of a person evaluating the second string offensive line.

    That's odd to me.
    Who was evaluating the second string line? I commented on who would replace the starter if he was to miss the game and what outcome that had on the unit as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadLast View Post
    Who was evaluating the second string line? I commented on who would replace the starter if he was to miss the game and what outcome that had on the unit as a whole.
    Commenting on who would replace a starter is evaluating the second string.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfuego View Post
    Commenting on who would replace a starter is evaluating the second string.
    When I handicap a game I look at the kids who are going to play (or in this case, could play). If that is evaluating the second team, I'm guilty.
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    This game could go either way I think. Washington is coming up but I'm not sure if they can handle a decent SEC team. Then on the other hand you have Auburn known to have 5 or 6 losses a season. Last season was an anomaly with 4. And now 0-2 in bowl games.
    I see a close game but hard to call an out right winner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadLast View Post
    Clover, you are right about Hand’s reputation as an O-line coach, but I have no idea why that is. He failed miserably at his last two stops - Penn State and AU. Auburn’s O-line was very average last year despite being one of the most experienced units in the country and Penn State gave up over 3 sacks per game Hand’s final two seasons (ranked 122 and 111).

    Malzahn’s relationship with Hand go back to their coaching days at Tulsa. Look up BFF in the dictionary and their picture will be there. Despite their friendship and despite Malzahn’s loyalty (to a fault), Hand was told to pound sand and find employment elsewhere. That would not have happened if he was doing a good job.

    Bringing Grimes back was not a sexy hire - he can’t recruit a lick. He is, however, a damn good position coach. Despite AU’s lack of talent this year, look for them to improve fundamentally and be more physical than the previous two years.
    Hand will be missed at Auburn. His two year, $420,000 a year contract was up in January. He was offered
    a contract extension with raise but turned it down to move to Texas where he is co-offensive coordinator and
    line coach with a significant raise. When Auburn tried to resign Hand, Malzahn said, "Herb is one of the best
    offensive line coaches in college football." Auburn replaces him with Grimes who coached at powerhouse UConn
    last year. If you don't think this is a drop off/downgrade for the O-Line, then you are badly uninformed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadLast View Post
    When I handicap a game I look at the kids who are going to play (or in this case, could play). If that is evaluating the second team, I'm guilty.
    Smart man,especially in a game like this one,she’s TOUGH!
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    Auburn opens it up second half and pulls away
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