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    Got the news about Tmader late yesterday afternoon. Over the years there have been several deaths
    here that hit me hard. Shrink, Panther, DDD, and now Tmader. This is a tough industry. If you do this
    professionally and or if you work in it in some capacity (sportsbook, forum, service, consultant, etc) it
    takes a toll on you. You start to age in what might be like dog years. You can find yourself becoming an
    introvert and living in a bubble. Relationships and friendships can be tough to maintain when you are
    entrenched in this industry.

    This is a very fair weather industry. There is no grey area. Probaly 95% of the people we will come across
    will be our best friend during the good times. Anyone who does this for a living, and or works at a sportsbook,
    forum, service, consultant, etc knows exactly what I'm talking about. If you ever seen the movie Goodfellas,
    there is the iconic "F*ck You....Pay Me" scene that describes most of the 95% of our fake friends in this industry.

    But every now and again you meet someone in that rare 5% in this industry and or hobby of ours. Someone who
    is a true friend. Someone who is genuine, doesn't just want something from you, and who you can actually trust.
    For me Tmader was one of those rare people in this industry.

    I first met him on here several years ago. I had mentioned in a post and also on some guys radio show at that time
    that I had been around the gaming industry since the age of 12. He was pretty intrigued by that. He sent me a PM
    asking a few questions about what that was like, etc. I replied back to him, that his avatar (a kid sitting on the toliet
    taking a dump while reading the sports page) was the worst avatar in the forum. That I thought it was even worse than
    Mobdeeper's. Not quite the response to his PM that he thought he would get. But he was so eccentric and outside of the
    box, and quirky in a super cool way that we became instant friends.

    I think just about every one of Tmader's friends (myself included) have had either a good arguement with him or a full
    fledged dust up at least once during the friendship. He could be as stubborn as he could be loyal at times. And he would
    have your back at all times. And he would also call you out if he felt you were in the wrong. We had our only dust up about
    a year into our friendship. Me and him each had forum friends that were feuding at the time. We exchanged F-bombs and
    did not speak to one another for nearly four or five months. Then one day out of the blue he sent me a PM asking how I was
    doing and more importantly how my mother who had a heart attack months earlier was doing. He used a saying that he would use quite often "lets just agree to disagree" he felt life moved by too fast to sweat the small things.

    I think sometimes people did not know what to make of him. Was he some eccentric guy, was he an internet character, etc.
    Years ago I shot him a PM out of the blue with the header "Question????" In the message I wrote, "I've been meaning to ask
    you this for a few years now, but do you really ride a bike 26 f*cking miles a day?" He thought that was the funniest thing he
    had ever been asked. He claimed he did and I never asked him about any of the other stuff.

    The Parlay thread. He absolutely loved that. Tmader was all about camraderie and making that thread all inclusive. I know
    for a fact that he really cared for all you guys that participated in that thread over the years. He wanted to win those more
    for the guys contributing, than he did for himself. A couple years back he asked me if I would get involved with the parlay
    thread for a few weeks. He wanted to do an invite/select team with a few of his guys and me and a couple of my guys.
    He wanted me to "Coach" his select/invite team a couple days a week for a few weeks. That was when I really learned what
    a truly good guy Tmader was.

    He would shoot me PM messages with just about every guy who had ever participated in those threads. He would mention
    every persons strength, something good about them, etc. When I look back at that time reading those, it reminds me of what
    a truly great guy he was, how much he cared for all you guys that participated in his threads, and how much he loved the
    camraderie. He did not do smaller parlays because he did not understand the odds. He did those larger parlays so he could
    include as many of you as possible.

    A lot of fond memories from that time that I can look back at now and smile and have a good laugh. I could write ten pages
    of stuff that would have you rolling on the floor laughing from my few weeks of being a part of that. Some of the PM messages back and forth during that time were comedy gold with Tmader. I think some of the guys that were on his "all-star" team
    during that project can attest to how fun Tmader was behind the scenes.

    I know a lot of friends want to honor him and his memory with doing some parlays and some stuff like that. For me as one
    of his friends, I want to honor his memory going forward in a different way. He was all about camraderie and being inclusive.
    He saw the best in every forum member, even if the drove him crazy or got under his skin, he still was about beating the book.

    When I return to posting in the forums, I'm going to honor his memory and my friendship I had with him by doing some things.
    I'm going to be more about the camraderie like Tmader was, and F*ck all the dumb, petty, and silly forum bull shit type of stuff.

    If I can't do something to help someone, I'm certainly not going to do something to hurt someone. That might be a good thing for many of us to consider doing to honor his memory and make these forums better going forward.

    For anyone who I have maybe ever offended, been a jerk to, lost contact with, or not been a better forum friend to, I am going
    to apologize and extend my hand in friendship and offer a clean slate going forward. And on the flip side I'm going to forgive and
    let go of any stupid silly shit. Life is too short. We all were reminded of that over the last couple of days.

    Tmader I will miss you friend.

    Coach Kevy
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    Just A Sharp Guy With A Lot Of Knowledge Posting Some Plays And Enjoying The Camraderie
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    Well said. We all will miss him. He's up in heaven telling his wonderful stories.
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    Thanks for posting that Kevy.
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    Good gosh Kevy, when did you turn into a such a little mushy pussy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevy View Post
    Got the news about Tmader late yesterday afternoon. Over the years there have been several deaths
    here that hit me hard. Shrink, Panther, DDD, and now Tmader. This is a tough industry. If you do this
    professionally and or if you work in it in some capacity (sportsbook, forum, service, consultant, etc) it
    takes a toll on you. You start to age in what might be like dog years. You can find yourself becoming an
    introvert and living in a bubble. Relationships and friendships can be tough to maintain when you are
    entrenched in this industry.

    This is a very fair weather industry. There is no grey area. Probaly 95% of the people we will come across
    will be our best friend during the good times. Anyone who does this for a living, and or works at a sportsbook,
    forum, service, consultant, etc knows exactly what I'm talking about. If you ever seen the movie Goodfellas,
    there is the iconic "F*ck You....Pay Me" scene that describes most of the 95% of our fake friends in this industry.

    But every now and again you meet someone in that rare 5% in this industry and or hobby of ours. Someone who
    is a true friend. Someone who is genuine, doesn't just want something from you, and who you can actually trust.
    For me Tmader was one of those rare people in this industry.

    I first met him on here several years ago. I had mentioned in a post and also on some guys radio show at that time
    that I had been around the gaming industry since the age of 12. He was pretty intrigued by that. He sent me a PM
    asking a few questions about what that was like, etc. I replied back to him, that his avatar (a kid sitting on the toliet
    taking a dump while reading the sports page) was the worst avatar in the forum. That I thought it was even worse than
    Mobdeeper's. Not quite the response to his PM that he thought he would get. But he was so eccentric and outside of the
    box, and quirky in a super cool way that we became instant friends.

    I think just about every one of Tmader's friends (myself included) have had either a good arguement with him or a full
    fledged dust up at least once during the friendship. He could be as stubborn as he could be loyal at times. And he would
    have your back at all times. And he would also call you out if he felt you were in the wrong. We had our only dust up about
    a year into our friendship. Me and him each had forum friends that were feuding at the time. We exchanged F-bombs and
    did not speak to one another for nearly four or five months. Then one day out of the blue he sent me a PM asking how I was
    doing and more importantly how my mother who had a heart attack months earlier was doing. He used a saying that he would use quite often "lets just agree to disagree" he felt life moved by too fast to sweat the small things.

    I think sometimes people did not know what to make of him. Was he some eccentric guy, was he an internet character, etc.
    Years ago I shot him a PM out of the blue with the header "Question????" In the message I wrote, "I've been meaning to ask
    you this for a few years now, but do you really ride a bike 26 f*cking miles a day?" He thought that was the funniest thing he
    had ever been asked. He claimed he did and I never asked him about any of the other stuff.

    The Parlay thread. He absolutely loved that. Tmader was all about camraderie and making that thread all inclusive. I know
    for a fact that he really cared for all you guys that participated in that thread over the years. He wanted to win those more
    for the guys contributing, than he did for himself. A couple years back he asked me if I would get involved with the parlay
    thread for a few weeks. He wanted to do an invite/select team with a few of his guys and me and a couple of my guys.
    He wanted me to "Coach" his select/invite team a couple days a week for a few weeks. That was when I really learned what
    a truly good guy Tmader was.

    He would shoot me PM messages with just about every guy who had ever participated in those threads. He would mention
    every persons strength, something good about them, etc. When I look back at that time reading those, it reminds me of what
    a truly great guy he was, how much he cared for all you guys that participated in his threads, and how much he loved the
    camraderie. He did not do smaller parlays because he did not understand the odds. He did those larger parlays so he could
    include as many of you as possible.

    A lot of fond memories from that time that I can look back at now and smile and have a good laugh. I could write ten pages
    of stuff that would have you rolling on the floor laughing from my few weeks of being a part of that. Some of the PM messages back and forth during that time were comedy gold with Tmader. I think some of the guys that were on his "all-star" team
    during that project can attest to how fun Tmader was behind the scenes.

    I know a lot of friends want to honor him and his memory with doing some parlays and some stuff like that. For me as one
    of his friends, I want to honor his memory going forward in a different way. He was all about camraderie and being inclusive.
    He saw the best in every forum member, even if the drove him crazy or got under his skin, he still was about beating the book.

    When I return to posting in the forums, I'm going to honor his memory and my friendship I had with him by doing some things.
    I'm going to be more about the camraderie like Tmader was, and F*ck all the dumb, petty, and silly forum bull shit type of stuff.

    If I can't do something to help someone, I'm certainly not going to do something to hurt someone. That might be a good thing for many of us to consider doing to honor his memory and make these forums better going forward.

    For anyone who I have maybe ever offended, been a jerk to, lost contact with, or not been a better forum friend to, I am going
    to apologize and extend my hand in friendship and offer a clean slate going forward. And on the flip side I'm going to forgive and
    let go of any stupid silly shit. Life is too short. We all were reminded of that over the last couple of days.

    Tmader I will miss you friend.

    Coach Kevy

    Well said bro .... really sorry you lost a close friend ...

    Let's hope all of us in here can try to be in that 5 % category on a more consistent basis ....

    Per

    But every now and again you meet someone in that rare 5% in this industry and or hobby of ours. Someone who
    is a true friend. Someone who is genuine, doesn't just want something from you, and who you can actually trust.
    For me Tmader was one of those rare people in this industry.




    The forum can be a better place for all ....

    Peace bro !!
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    Kevy…….well written...….thank you …...indy
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    Thank you for posting. Very well written and heart felt. Tremendous way to honor Tmader. Exemplifies the true spirit of friendship.
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    Nicely said Kevy, i have never been one to post much though i have been around along time. I have never understood why ppl bitch about guys who take the time to post their plays in order to try and help others that might be having a bad run. May we learn from Tmader and get along
    and may the lord let him rest by his side
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    Holy shit!!!! Ugh just awful. Great write up Kevy. My condolences
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    Spot on Kevy! Very wise words.
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    oh man, didnt know!

    RIP Tmader!!!
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    He seemed like a genuine dude. I remember him tailing a few of my future plays and thanking me profusely because he put so much on them.

    I wasn't sure whether to believe him half the time or not with some of his stories.

    RIP T, rest easy
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    Kevy , love your memory of Tmader7. When Timmy Rules let us know about his passing, The usual nameless 3 people came in & stir up pot. God let the man die in peace.I wish people be nice & respectful . Anyway thanks for the nice writeup , i know it camefrom the heart. Looking forward see you come back to forumn some day. Dont let trolls in here bother you. They do me sometimes , thatís why i havenít posted few days. Thanks again for that great tribute to tmader7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baronman View Post
    Kevy , love your memory of Tmader7. When Timmy Rules let us know about his passing, The usual nameless 3 people came in & stir up pot. God let the man die in peace.I wish people be nice & respectful . Anyway thanks for the nice writeup , i know it camefrom the heart. Looking forward see you come back to forumn some day. Dont let trolls in here bother you. They do me sometimes , thatís why i havenít posted few days. Thanks again for that great tribute to tmader7.
    Baron seige varkey stir up pot. Why you call yourself out?
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    Very nice post.
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    Kevy

    Well said in so many ways. He was truly a mensch, as are you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevy View Post
    He used a saying that he would use quite often "lets just agree to disagree" he felt life moved by too fast to sweat the small things.



    That was when I really learned what a truly good guy Tmader was.


    Coach Kevy
    Those are very wise words and a great philosophy to live by, I try to follow that advice, even if I don't always succeed at it.


    I can't honestly say I had much, if any, interaction with him, but any life lost too young is a tragedy, and I'm sorry for the loss of your friend.
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    Beautifully thought out and written Kevy, amazing the effect he had on so many forum members here. One of the few guys I always looked out for in his comments, whichever direction they were going. Thanks and Once you posted it I recalled he always referred to you as COACH. Thanks Man.
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    Great words Kevy.

    I was honored tmader7 including some of my picks in the parlays (including the almost winning 10-1-1 parlay). He was definitely a cool guy and I like they way he lived life.

    That said as mainly a lurker, I enjoy a lot of forum reads and am glad to see the decisions you are making moving forward. That's the quickest way to a stress free life...doing all the things you say that you are going to apply. I hope that many others do that in their lives and you will be so much happier.

    I personally live by the motto"give everything, expect nothing". Have I been screwed by people in the past? Absolutely. On the flip side, Ive been blessed enough to make a positive effect on many people in the communities around me. My daily goal I always set out to make someone smile, it's the cheapest gift you can give and I truly believe that it makes a big difference.

    RIP Tmader7. Thoughts and prayers to his family and friends.
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    I always got a kick out of Tmader! He was a character, but also a very nice guy. I believe every word you said about him Kevy.

    RIP ~T~

    (I had to search everywhere on my keyboard for that little squiggly line lol, never used it before!)
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    amen kevy,,,,yea pats had to find it myself, asked him about that before,, gonna miss him,, too young,,, be well all,, and bol to all
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