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    So far, havent seen ONE benefit of NOT having a wall.... Just a few insults and name calling, while not giving a single benefit of not having a wall
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanfordSam View Post
    Illegals make up 3% of our population, yet commit a little over 37% of the homicides in this country

    WAKE UP PEOPLE. Something NEEDS to be done.
    Where did you find that statistic? Seems very high, I have never heard anything like this...
    If true, then, why haven't the Republicans stressed this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serbone View Post
    Where did you find that statistic? Seems very high, I have never heard anything like this...
    If true, then, why haven't the Republicans stressed this?
    don't know about the homicide rate specifically but they do make up 1/3 of the prison population vs just 3% of overall population
    https://cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federa...tes-Are-Aliens

    10.7M illegals vs 326M total population
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/u...ion-study.html

    REP don't stress this because they are horrible at playing offense. They allow DEMs to control the narrative and then are constantly defending those untruths. It's the same reason that Trump addresses the nation about securing our borders and instead of having a dozen high ranking GOP members pushing this program you only hear about the liberal retort.

    stats, facts, and data is great but when nobody knows about it you won't get policies to change. DEMs are controlling the narrative right now and Trump's on an island trying to defend his policy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serbone View Post
    Where did you find that statistic? Seems very high, I have never heard anything like this...
    If true, then, why haven't the Republicans stressed this?
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    don't know about the homicide rate specifically but they do make up 1/3 of the prison population vs just 3% of overall population
    https://cis.org/Huennekens/32-Federa...tes-Are-Aliens

    10.7M illegals vs 326M total population
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/u...ion-study.html

    REP don't stress this because they are horrible at playing offense. They allow DEMs to control the narrative and then are constantly defending those untruths. It's the same reason that Trump addresses the nation about securing our borders and instead of having a dozen high ranking GOP members pushing this program you only hear about the liberal retort.

    stats, facts, and data is great but when nobody knows about it you won't get policies to change. DEMs are controlling the narrative right now and Trump's on an island trying to defend his policy
    No shit? While in general Republicans are smarter than Democrats they are also
    notorious for fucking up a one car funeral. They are also masters at capitulation.

    Even when they had control of both houses they barely kept their head above water.

    If it weren't for Trump the Senate would have passed the latest spending bill.

    Still too many Rinos taking up spaces in Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    No shit? While in general Republicans are smarter than Democrats they are also
    notorious for fucking up a one car funeral. They are also masters at capitulation.

    Even when they had control of both houses they barely kept their head above water.

    If it weren't for Trump the Senate would have passed the latest spending bill.

    Still too many Rinos taking up spaces in Congress.
    Case in point.

    The 2018 omnibus provides just enough funds to build 33 miles of fencing on the Texas border
    but it also provides $500 million to help Jordan build a wall and defense line against jihad
    terrorists trying to cross its 287-mile border with Iraq and Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serbone View Post
    Where did you find that statistic? Seems very high, I have never heard anything like this...
    If true, then, why haven't the Republicans stressed this?
    It should say 17%
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    Oh no! Say it isn't so.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that she believes President Donald Trump
    staged the high drama at Wednesday’s meeting between party leaders over the partial government
    shutdown.

    Trump met with Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) for just a few minutes
    before walking out after the House speaker said her party would not agree to spend billions on
    a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    “Not only was the president unpresidential ― surprise, surprise ― yesterday in his behavior, I think the meeting was a setup so he could walk out,” Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill.

    Not to worry Nancy, Wababa has your six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave007inVegas View Post
    Oh no! Say it isn't so.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said Thursday that she believes President Donald Trump
    staged the high drama at Wednesday’s meeting between party leaders over the partial government
    shutdown.

    Trump met with Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) for just a few minutes
    before walking out after the House speaker said her party would not agree to spend billions on
    a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

    “Not only was the president unpresidential ― surprise, surprise ― yesterday in his behavior, I think the meeting was a setup so he could walk out,” Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill.

    Not to worry Nancy, Wababa has your six.
    so Nancy was a cvnt again with a microphone in her face - surprise, surprise ...
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    Tell me exactly what an illegal did to you or your family where it's turned your world upside down.

    I'm here in SoCal. Lived here for 47 years. Have a pretty big family and a huge network of friends and associates. Not one person I know has had their been mugged, assaulted, murdered, raped or ...look out, had their job taken from them.

    Exactly what are you pussy's crying about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3peet View Post
    Tell me exactly what an illegal did to you or your family where it's turned your world upside down.

    I'm here in SoCal. Lived here for 47 years. Have a pretty big family and a huge network of friends and associates. Not one person I know has had their been mugged, assaulted, murdered, raped or ...look out, had their job taken from them.

    Exactly what are you pussy's crying about?
    You're such a dumb fuck. So, being for a border wall means you're a pussy? We (Democrats voted for) spent 1/2 $Billion buying Jordan a fucking border wall last year you dumb fuck. The only reason these maggot lying scum Democrats are against it now, is because they think they can make political hay out of it, and you're too fucking stupid to see it.

    https://www.breitbart.com/immigratio...ll-jordanians/

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...n-open-border/

    Fact Check: Real Crisis, Real Victims — Human Costs of an Open Border

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    During the Democrat response to President Trump’s Oval Office address, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) accused the president of “manufacturing a crisis” at the United States-Mexico border.

    In a fact check by Breitbart News, Pelosi’s statement is incorrect. A review of the crime at the southern border, cartel warfare, drug epidemic, deaths from an open border, asylum fraud, and costs to American taxpayers reveal a startling crisis at the border.
    Some of that data was cited by Trump in his address, where he noted the American suffering at the hands of illegal aliens nationwide:
    In the last two years, [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] officers made 266,000 arrests of aliens with criminal records – including those charged or convicted of 100,000 assaults, 30,000 sex crimes and 4,000 violent killings. Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country, and thousands more lives will be lost if we don’t act right now. [Emphasis added]
    In the last year alone, ICE agents arrested more than 6,600 convicted murderers and convicted sex offenders who were in the United States illegally.
    Of that total, 4,975 of the illegal aliens arrested were convicted sex offenders. The other 1,641 illegal aliens had been convicted of homicide. Another 1,913 illegal aliens that were arrested by ICE had pending sex offense charges against them, while 387 illegal aliens had pending murder charges against them.
    For each one of these crimes, there are at least one or more American and legal immigrant victims.
    Trump also touched on the country’s vast drug epidemic that has crippled regions of the U.S., the vast majority of which has been the direct result of an open border:
    Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs – including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone – 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border. More Americans will die from drugs this year than were killed in the entire Vietnam War. [Emphasis added]
    Indeed, drug overdoses in 2017 killed an unprecedented 72,287 U.S. residents, nearly three times the number of individuals killed by global terrorism. Nearly 50,000 of those deadly overdoses were caused by either heroin or fentanyl.
    And it is not just Americans suffering at the hands of an open border. Mexican drug cartels have profited billions from America’s open border through the drug trade and human trafficking, increasing their power in Mexico.
    Since 2009, there have been more than 250,000 homicides in Mexico and at least 30,000 disappearances. In 2017, there were 26,573 murders, 1,275 kidnappings, and 5,357 extortion cases in Mexico, marking the bloodiest year in the country in 20 years, despite these figures not capturing the scope of the cartel violence occurring in Mexico.
    “The official figures, however, pale in comparison to reality since they do not account for the number of victims ‘disappeared’ by cartel gunmen–including those who were incinerated or buried in clandestine graves,” Breitbart News’ Cartel Chronicles co-founders Brandon Darby and Ildefonso Ortiz wrote in 2017.
    At the southern border, there are now about 2,100 illegal border crossings a year with experts projecting illegal immigration in Fiscal Year 2019 to hit the highest level in more than a decade, with 600,000 illegal border crossings expected.
    Migrant women suffer the most from the human trafficking at the border, as federal immigration officials say about 1-in-3 are sexually assaulted or raped during their efforts to reach the U.S.
    Last year in Texas area ranches, alone, at least 217 migrants were found dead after attempting to illegally cross into the country. Across the entire southern border, nearly 360 migrants died trying to cross illegally, an increase of 12 percent over the year before.
    Asylum loopholes in U.S. law have provided major incentives for illegal aliens and child migrants to try to cross the southern border. Of the nearly 400,000 illegal aliens who crossed between Ports of Entry at the border in Fiscal Year 2018, about 55,000 claimed “credible fear” to seek asylum in the U.S., an increase of 43 percent from the year before.
    Migrants claiming “credible fear” have an 88 percent chance of evading deportation, creating an overwhelming backlog in immigration courts. Meanwhile, less than 10 percentof “credible fear” migrants arriving at the border actually have legitimate asylum cases.
    The soaring illegal immigration crisis, of course, all comes at a massive cost to American taxpayers and U.S. workers. Every year, illegal aliens cost taxpayers at least $116 billion as the illegal population grows to anywhere between 11 to 22 million illegal aliens.
    For American workers, the fiscal burn of uncontrolled immigration has translated to stagnant and decreased wages. Research finds that every one percent increase in the immigrant composition of each U.S. occupation’s labor force reduces those Americans’ hourly wages by 0.4 percent. Every one percent increase in the immigrant workforce reduces Americans’ overall wages by almost one percent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serbone View Post
    Where did you find that statistic? Seems very high, I have never heard anything like this...
    If true, then, why haven't the Republicans stressed this?
    He simply made it up. Illegals make up more then 1/3 of all murders in this country...hahahahaha. Illegals actually commit less violent crime then US born citizens on average....That actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it...you know you are here illegally so you are on your best behavior because you cant risk being arrested and deported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodStool View Post
    He simply made it up. Illegals make up more then 1/3 of all murders in this country...hahahahaha. Illegals actually commit less violent crime then US born citizens on average....That actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it...you know you are here illegally so you are on your best behavior because you cant risk being arrested and deported.




    Non-Citizens Committed a Disproportionate Share of Federal Crimes, 2011-16

    21% of those convicted of non-immigration crimes were non-citizens — 2.5 times their share of the population


    https://cis.org/Camarota/NonCitizens...-Crimes-201116


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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodStool View Post
    He simply made it up. Illegals make up more then 1/3 of all murders in this country...hahahahaha. Illegals actually commit less violent crime then US born citizens on average....That actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it...you know you are here illegally so you are on your best behavior because you cant risk being arrested and deported.

    The 17% figure is accurate, and as someone mentioned they also make up nearly a third of those in our prisons.

    Commit fewer crimes than natural citizens? LOL.


    Let me guess....you also believe that blacks are systematically oppressed by the police, and that women are systematically oppressed in the workplace too?



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    Quote Originally Posted by 3peet View Post
    Tell me exactly what an illegal did to you or your family where it's turned your world upside down.

    I'm here in SoCal. Lived here for 47 years. Have a pretty big family and a huge network of friends and associates. Not one person I know has had their been mugged, assaulted, murdered, raped or ...look out, had their job taken from them.

    Exactly what are you pussy's crying about?
    lol

    the force is strong with this 1

    Open borders with a 3rd world country known for drug trade = bad idea
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    As much as Id like to say it is the yellow mansion is not Pelosi’s house....
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    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.





    Not sure reforming H1B program so we can have even more cheap labor/consumers for the oligarchs was on the America First platform but sure...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3peet View Post
    Tell me exactly what an illegal did to you or your family where it's turned your world upside down.

    Brother of Newman Corporal Ronil Singh appears with President Trump in visit to border



    The death of Newman Police Cpl. Ronil Singh again took center stage in the debate over President Donald Trump’s border wall Thursday, with Singh’s brother, Reggie, appearing with the president in a visit to Texas.

    Reggie Singh told the story of his brother, who emigrated from Fiji and pursued his lifelong dream of becoming a law enforcement officer. Ronil Singh was gunned down in the early morning hours of Dec. 26 during a traffic stop of a suspect drunken driver.

    “The way he was killed, what my family’s going through right now, I do not want any other family law enforcement person to go through that,” Reggie Singh said, seated at a table next to Trump during a roundtable discussion at a border patrol station in McAllen, Texas.
    Whatever it takes to minimize, put a stop to it my family fully supports it.”

    Corporal Ronil Singh, 33, of the Newman Police Department was shot and killed during a traffic stop on December 26 allegedly by an illegal immigrant
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump 39m39 minutes agoMore



    H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.





    Not sure reforming H1B program so we can have even more cheap labor/consumers for the oligarchs was on the America First platform but sure...
    we need more H1B's with an easier process, not less. I don't have to deal a lot with H1B's but the folks I know say it's a 5-6 month process to get these software engineers their visas at an average cost of 5k for expedited processing. totally ridiculous

    the wall and border security has absolutely nothing to do with H1B's that qualify for highly skilled jobs. I have no idea why Trump is even bringing this up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide View Post
    we need more H1B's with an easier process, not less. I don't have to deal a lot with H1B's but the folks I know say it's a 5-6 month process to get these software engineers their visas at an average cost of 5k for expedited processing. totally ridiculous

    the wall and border security has absolutely nothing to do with H1B's that qualify for highly skilled jobs. I have no idea why Trump is even bringing this up?
    It's just another way for corporations to distort the labor market so they don't have to pay American citizens a higher wage. And many of these H1B's come from poorer countries and are obviously willing to work much longer hours for less pay than Americans given where they grew up and the fact they don't want to go back there. People can say this is good, but is it? It's the same race to the bottom mass migration economics we've been practicing for 50 years and American middle class wages have barely gone up in that time.

    Also, if you look at where the H1B jobs are, it's not exactly what it is sold as. Most of the jobs are for mid-level positions rather than importing the best and the brightest to lead Googles AI division which is what most H1B advocates would have you believe, i.e "we need to bring talented and highly skilled people here"

    https://www.epi.org/publication/cong...u-s-workers-4/

    That's pretty good writeup that isn't too time consuming to read on the subject.




    Not saying it is the biggest issue of our time or anything but it's basically another globalist policy IMO.
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    answer me this i live in orange county , ca homeless bad here la everywhere. Where do you think theses people will live. No job , most dont speak english. Its terrible they live in poverty or under dictators. We need take care of our poor. Not foreigners. Think all polution that they will bring. Yes some might turn to crime to survive
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    Homeless people tend to commit more crimes

    Impoverished people tend to commit more crimes

    People who lived in a lawless society tend to commit more crimes

    People who coexist with criminals tend to commit more crimes



    It's not rocket science either, it's life. Now my biggest arguments for border security are about social and economic issues, but concerns about crime are real.

    We're either a nation of laws or we're not, and the only reason libtard nation opposes enforcing our laws is because they're appealing to ignorance as they create a new wedge issue for them to use to divide us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie99 View Post
    Homeless people tend to commit more crimes

    Impoverished people tend to commit more crimes

    People who lived in a lawless society tend to commit more crimes

    People who coexist with criminals tend to commit more crimes



    It's not rocket science either, it's life. Now my biggest arguments for border security are about social and economic issues, but concerns about crime are real.

    We're either a nation of laws or we're not,
    and the only reason libtard nation opposes enforcing our laws is because they're appealing to ignorance as they create a new wedge issue for them to use to divide us.
    We are both. We have laws but they don't apply to everyone.
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