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    Best of Luck SS, however I don't agree with the strategy of winning 3 bets to cash one bet? How would you be doing if you bet you bet your top 2 or even picks to win or even place if the odds warrant it? Not busting your balls, just wonder if you ever checked?
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    Flip the 5th and 6th place finishers and you picked the entire field cold .... good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HossSense View Post
    Best of Luck SS, however I don't agree with the strategy of winning 3 bets to cash one bet? How would you be doing if you bet you bet your top 2 or even picks to win or even place if the odds warrant it? Not busting your balls, just wonder if you ever checked?
    Loony bin what you talkin about explain quickly i ain't got all day i got all kinds
    of business to tend to...Basketball..football...Plus i work for a living...I ain't got time for puzzles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddlesore View Post
    Loony bin what you talkin about explain quickly i ain't got all day i got all kinds
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    Sorry SS, just noticed you were down over 4K, so tried to help is all. Won't happen again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddlesore View Post


    I understand but if the favorite wins i feel like dummy throwing him out.
    And i can't play all 3 cause if the Chalk does win i probably break even or lose money.
    I feel uncomfortable doing this...Anyway you're saying its not a sprint but its a marathon betting.
    Just keep playing the longer odds of the 3 dump the horse that's probably a chalk.
    I say 95% of the 3 there's gonna be chalk....You must have nerves of steel doing this.


    Anyway i got something in mind i'm gonna try out differently.....Until then
    The 95% is going to be high. In general, favs finish off the board about 25%. Granted, in the 6 and 7-horse fields you like to play it will be a tad lower. I could get an exact figure but the computer I use for that stuff is N/A at the moment.

    Also, if the chalk wins in a 6-horse, you shouldn't be worrying about not cashing a low-paying ticket. You didn't use to structure tickets keying on favorites. You use to structure bets to split your picks with non-fav combinations included. I would never key favs in exotics. Using them and keying them are big difference.
    If you're interested to know exactly how often favs run off in 6-horse fields, I could look that up tomorrow.
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    The chalk won 0 races at Parx yesterday and only 1 or 2? at MVR.
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    That's neither here nor there...The true question for the both of you guys is this.
    If both of you guys had the same ideals did either of you had a successful 2018 or
    losing one?...If you both lost in 2018 then you've failed cause at the end of a day or
    year in this case..lol That's the only thing that counts...If what your saying is true and you've
    won then power to ya...But if you've lost then you answered my question...I'm in here to win
    not to break even so this why i try a million different things....Somewhere out there i'm gonna
    find the answer or die trying...I put my numbers out in public but i don't see your numbers at the
    end of a day what you did...You guys give me advice but what did you guys do...lol
    I dunno how many times i screwed up keying on the wrong horse and the other 2 show up.....lol

    The question Gentlemen are you the master of your domain?


    Come this weekend i will try something else chipping away another piece of the puzzle until
    i finally get clarity once and for all whether this is a hopeless cause or light at the end of the tunnel.

    Yours truly SS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddlesore View Post



    That's neither here nor there...The true question for the both of you guys is this.
    If both of you guys had the same ideals did either of you had a successful 2018 or
    losing one?...If you both lost in 2018 then you've failed cause at the end of a day or
    year in this case..lol That's the only thing that counts...If what your saying is true and you've
    won then power to ya...But if you've lost then you answered my question...I'm in here to win
    not to break even so this why i try a million different things....Somewhere out there i'm gonna
    find the answer or die trying...I put my numbers out in public but i don't see your numbers at the
    end of a day what you did...You guys give me advice but what did you guys do...lol
    I dunno how many times i screwed up keying on the wrong horse and the other 2 show up.....lol

    The question Gentlemen are you the master of your domain?


    Come this weekend i will try something else chipping away another piece of the puzzle until
    i finally get clarity once and for all whether this is a hopeless cause or light at the end of the tunnel.

    Yours truly SS
    Unless you are a shark in tournament play or hit a big pick 6 it is an unbeatable game imo. Avg 20% Rake. At end of day most are just spinning their wheels. GL in your quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack1999 View Post
    Unless you are a shark in tournament play or hit a big pick 6 it is an unbeatable game imo. Avg 20% Rake. At end of day most are just spinning their wheels. GL in your quest.


    Yes Jack i think you are correct...I'm trying to change this perception tho...God willing.
    This is why i bet on games...You have a 50% chance of winning...Its cut and dry.
    You don't get those kind of odds in Horse Racing...Hahaha
    We do it cause we love the racing game.

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    While i'm still here i like to continue to rant before i go to work. The absurdity of this sport is
    mind boggling. Not only do you have to handle the handicapping end of it but also the pitfalls
    of a race to go exactly as planned...For example the horse gets bumped at the gate or hops in the air
    before the race has even started which finds the horse 10 lengths behind the pack. Or the dummy jockey
    who decides to run a race opposite what you thought he we do purposely maybe to dump his horse.
    Dumb Ass trainers who decide to run there horse back 14 days later when they should be given more time
    off to prepare physically for there next race. The cheating end of this sport which sometimes goes left unpunished.
    Has anybody ever heard of corrupt racing officials?. Oh i forgot this one...Jockeys who absolutely decide to destroy
    there horse like a death wish going for the lead from the outside when they can't possibly win by doing this and leaving
    there horse running on empty. Here's a thought DUCK behind the other speed horse inside of you so you won't
    DESTROY your horse. I know speed horses are suppose to get the lead or die trying but C'mon already have some
    sense. Sometimes the other horses inside won't have any of that so why don't you duck behind these horses and save
    some energy for later. I think you can hold your horse back but maybe i'm wrong on this subject. Speed horses can
    only run one way {Attack Mode}


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    Same problems in football and hoops! Dropped passes, bad passes, penalties, bad calls by refs, foul trouble, hot shooters, cold shooters etc. Bet 110 to win 100 is not so great. Gambling is gambling! I'd much rather wager a few shekels to win a lot, rather than wager a lot to win a little!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddlesore View Post



    That's neither here nor there...The true question for the both of you guys is this.
    If both of you guys had the same ideals did either of you had a successful 2018 or
    losing one?...If you both lost in 2018 then you've failed cause at the end of a day or
    year in this case..lol That's the only thing that counts...If what your saying is true and you've
    won then power to ya...But if you've lost then you answered my question...I'm in here to win
    not to break even so this why i try a million different things....Somewhere out there i'm gonna
    find the answer or die trying...I put my numbers out in public but i don't see your numbers at the
    end of a day what you did...You guys give me advice but what did you guys do...lol
    I dunno how many times i screwed up keying on the wrong horse and the other 2 show up.....lol

    The question Gentlemen are you the master of your domain?


    Come this weekend i will try something else chipping away another piece of the puzzle until
    i finally get clarity once and for all whether this is a hopeless cause or light at the end of the tunnel.

    Yours truly SS
    Actually it's here not there! I have 2 betting accounts, tournaments which I've NEVER put additional money into and an account for live racing which I haven't put money into in over a decade or more! I like to keep $500 in both accounts so when my balance exceeds $750 I make a withdrawal. Bottom line is YES, I do make money at this game. However, I never make a wager over $20 and do not play pie in the sky exotics, exacta's are my limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HossSense View Post
    Actually it's here not there! I have 2 betting accounts, tournaments which I've NEVER put additional money into and an account for live racing which I haven't put money into in over a decade or more! I like to keep $500 in both accounts so when my balance exceeds $750 I make a withdrawal. Bottom line is YES, I do make money at this game. However, I never make a wager over $20 and do not play pie in the sky exotics, exacta's are my limit.

    Good Luck
    Man Hoss that sounds ambitious to say the least. You sound like one of the few and proud. LOL. Maybe you and I in a contest Hoss similar to the one I did with BHP? Would like the challenge of going against a winner in this game. Let me know if you may be interested. I can do all grading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack1999 View Post
    Man Hoss that sounds ambitious to say the least. You sound like one of the few and proud. LOL. Maybe you and I in a contest Hoss similar to the one I did with BHP? Would like the challenge of going against a winner in this game. Let me know if you may be interested. I can do all grading.
    No thanks Jack, No win situation for me so I'll just stick with my accounts & free picks! You can sign up for some tourneys and maybe we meet there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HossSense View Post
    No thanks Jack, No win situation for me so I'll just stick with my accounts & free picks! You can sign up for some tourneys and maybe we meet there?
    OK Hoss Had a feeling you would decline. Not sure why a no win deal for you? Anyway I play on HT, so we do go against each other at times. Not doing too well lately. GL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddlesore View Post


    Yes Jack i think you are correct...I'm trying to change this perception tho...God willing.
    This is why i bet on games...You have a 50% chance of winning...Its cut and dry.
    You don't get those kind of odds in Horse Racing...Hahaha
    We do it cause we love the racing game.

    Once again yours truly SS
    The only thing I bet is horse racing. Nothing else. Not sports, not lotteries, not any casino games. Only horses.

    This game is not easy. No question. And you better be able to devote an incredible amount of time to it if you want an edge.

    I do not work. I am not retired. Been betting horses on a full time basis since 2008. Started playing decades ago.

    If there's one thing I know something about it is betting the ponies. I've said it many times on this board, "it is not about picking winners, it is about making money".

    This game is mathematical .... odds vs payout.

    Guessing the favorite hits the board 95% of the time is not how you make money. That is a fact. You better KNOW the odds you're up against.

    Don't guess, and don't place bets on some theoretical experiment you're hoping can magically turn a profit.

    I wrote a computer program many moons ago that allows me to simulate any betting method or system. My Bet Analyzer is very detailed and can generate results for any type betting system. If I get some brilliant idea, like keying the favorite across the board in 6-horse field trifectas. I can plug it in and see exactly how much money I can expect to LOSE.

    I empathize with your frustrations but don't think you guys are the only ones the set out on the same journey.

    Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Think outside the box if you want to develop an edge. AND AN EDGE IS REQUIRED ..... fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Factor View Post
    The only thing I bet is horse racing. Nothing else. Not sports, not lotteries, not any casino games. Only horses.

    This game is not easy. No question. And you better be able to devote an incredible amount of time to it if you want an edge.

    I do not work. I am not retired. Been betting horses on a full time basis since 2008. Started playing decades ago.

    If there's one thing I know something about it is betting the ponies. I've said it many times on this board, "it is not about picking winners, it is about making money".

    This game is mathematical .... odds vs payout.

    Guessing the favorite hits the board 95% of the time is not how you make money. That is a fact. You better KNOW the odds you're up against.

    Don't guess, and don't place bets on some theoretical experiment you're hoping can magically turn a profit.

    I wrote a computer program many moons ago that allows me to simulate any betting method or system. My Bet Analyzer is very detailed and can generate results for any type betting system. If I get some brilliant idea, like keying the favorite across the board in 6-horse field trifectas. I can plug it in and see exactly how much money I can expect to LOSE.

    I empathize with your frustrations but don't think you guys are the only ones the set out on the same journey.

    Einstein once said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

    Think outside the box if you want to develop an edge. AND AN EDGE IS REQUIRED ..... fact.
    You sound like you are a master computer programmer? I do not have that knowledge. You play Par-mutual for a living and beat this game? If true more power to you. How do you account for the high rake? And do you play the tourney sites? I think that is the best way to attack this game. GL Prof moving forward.
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    And no, I do not enjoy playing horses. That fire was extinguished long ago. I just do it. Feels like work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack1999 View Post
    You sound like you are a master computer programmer? I do not have that knowledge. You play Par-mutual for a living and beat this game? If true more power to you. How do you account for the high rake? And do you play the tourney sites? I think that is the best way to attack this game. GL Prof moving forward.
    Yes, computer programming is my forté. I do not play tourneys. Not interested unless I could verify behind any doubt they cannot be rigged. I was in one once were I had 9 winners out of ten and got beat by someone with 10 of 10. I had 2 double-digit shots in there as well. Theoretically, in a clean tourney, it would be easier to take on other cappers. But you still need an edge that is better than theirs.
    I posted about rake 2 years ago and prompted no discussion. Many people like to turn a blind eye to important topics.
    Rake is the measurement of how much better you must be than everyone else ...... accurate profit line trumps rake everytime.AND I MEAN ACCURATE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prof_Factor View Post
    Yes, computer programming is my forté. I do not play tourneys. Not interested unless I could verify behind any doubt they cannot be rigged. I was in one once were I had 9 winners out of ten and got beat by someone with 10 of 10. I had 2 double-digit shots in there as well. Theoretically, in a clean tourney, it would be easier to take on other cappers. But you still need an edge that is better than theirs.
    I posted about rake 2 years ago and prompted no discussion. Many people like to turn a blind eye to important topics.Raked is the measurement of how much better you must be than everyone else ...... accurate profit line trumps rake everytime.AND I MEAN ACCURATE.
    OK. Thx for the take. It makes sense that someone with your computer knowledge might be able to beat this game. AS for the tourney sites Horse tourneys is an excellent site where you can play Pick & Pray and see everyone's else picks after the first race of the contest breaks. In that type of game all picks must be in and no changing after the contest is locked. Pretty sure these contests are full proof not rigged. HT has games where top prize is 10-15K. You may want to take a look. GL.
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