Using math to show how DEMOCRATS are responsible for the shutdown, and its purely political to NOT give Trump a "Win"

NFLTrends · Jan 17, 2019

Annual budget for 2019 is $4.4trillion.... Trump wants $5.7 billion for part of the wall.

Thats just 0.01% of the budget.

To simplify it.....

Someones annual Salary is $44.000...... And a wall contractor is saying he can help secure your home with a 30 foot wall for only $57 this year

purely political

Michelangelo · Jan 17, 2019

Nothing like breaking big numbers and big problems down so the layman can understand them. Good job, NFL.

I expected to see more of this and more graphics from Trump.

He's really not the salesman I expected. A great salesman is generally a great teacher.

But I still love the guy.

SheriffJoe · Jan 18, 2019

I think Democrats have given up on the "math"/cost argument and are going with the "immorality" talking point. This is especially true for the nutjob wing of the party, AOC, Beto, Mooslims Tlaib & Omar etc.

Willie99 · Jan 19, 2019

Wedge wedge wedge wedge
resist resist resist
divide divide divide divide
lie lie lie lie, as they have the audacity to complain about lying

They can't win with an honest debate, they don't bother trying

It's genetics

PoundFoolish · Jan 19, 2019

NFLTrends said:
Annual budget for 2019 is $4.4trillion.... Trump wants $5.7 billion for part of the wall.

Thats just 0.01% of the budget.

To simplify it.....

Someones annual Salary is $44.000...... And a wall contractor is saying he can help secure your home with a 30 foot wall for only $57 this year

purely political

I want to use this but not sure it is accurate. Is it 0,01% because on 44,000 would'nt that be $4.40?

rolltide · Jan 19, 2019

obv the libs aren't going to use numbers to back their case. they must stick to code words like immoral, undignified, and racist which means absolutely nothing. much like the "people cannot be illegal" catch phrase.

i remember the good 'ol days where stats and facts always defeated rhetoric. those days are long gone in the click-bait world of politics and journalism

Serbone · Jan 19, 2019

GOP is not trying to win. They are not helping Trump with this. A few, for show, say a few lil things.

They should be driving these points, with credible backup data:

$ 5.7B for a wall, but it costs us > $ 150B a year to support illegals, food stamps, healthcare, housing, education... do the math, finance 101.

AND the millions of doses of fentanyl and other hard drugs coming across the border are killing people, including minors.

AND thousands of violent crimes are committed by illegals, some released and do it again.

GOP should develop identical talking points and get that message out over and over and over, same figures, same catchy language.

But they do not.

They just say innocuous BS like "we need better border security"... means very little to most voters.

REDEYE · Jan 19, 2019

Serbone said:
GOP is not trying to win. They are not helping Trump with this. A few, for show, say a few lil things.

They should be driving these points, with credible backup data:

$ 5.7B for a wall, but it costs us > $ 150B a year to support illegals, food stamps, healthcare, housing, education... do the math, finance 101.

AND the millions of doses of fentanyl and other hard drugs coming across the border are killing people, including minors.

AND thousands of violent crimes are committed by illegals, some released and do it again.

GOP should develop identical talking points and get that message out over and over and over, same figures, same catchy language.

But they do not.

They just say innocuous BS like "we need better border security"... means very little to most voters.

couldn't agree more...

Serbone · Jan 19, 2019

RED EYE said:
couldn't agree more...

It is impossible that the GOP does not know this.

They see the Dems do it with issues with military precision. Top notch marketing. All the time.

So all this time and the GOP cannot put together a sharp clear program to present these three issues.

Trump blew it, again, today.

"$5.7 billion????
It will SAVE us money!
We spent $150 billion / yr providing free health care, food stamps, education, law enforcement & prison costs for illegal immigrants. Do you want to get to $300 billion? Your TAXES will go up even higher!"

theDonger · Jan 20, 2019

Why wasn't this issue a priority the last 2 years when the Republican party held all 3 branches of government?

Didn't the democrats offer Trump $25 billion for a wall in exchange for DACA reform and Trump shot it down?

rolltide · Jan 20, 2019

theDonger said:
Why wasn't this issue a priority the last 2 years when the Republican party held all 3 branches of government?

Didn't the democrats offer Trump $25 billion for a wall in exchange for DACA reform and Trump shot it down?

1) you honestly believe this hasn't been a priority item? they've been discussing it since mid-2017 with numbers and negotiation for well over 14 months including the $25B incomplete proposal from a year ago. how is that not making it a priority issue?

- i agree that Trump missed his chance to get this in place once the midterms hit but you can't suggest it has only been a discussion since mid-Nov 2018
2) the Dem bill was exact same money $25B as the Republican bill but pulled two of the four primary laws from it (ending visa lottery, limit chain immigration). That Dem bill was shot down by senate so they put another bill for $25B up for discussion which AGAIN did not address ending the visa lottery nor did it limit chain immigration so it again had no chance of passing. It was also $25B over 10 years, not $25B allocated immediately, and only including 700 miles of fence not the entire border. So, it was a gesture proposal that never had a chance of passing so that you Dems can sit here in Jan 2019 and blame Trump.

so yeah you can say the GOP or Trump (even though he never had a bill to veto) had an offer on the table but it didn't include 2 of the 4 major pillars of the program, did not allocate the money immediately, and covered 1/3 of the miles required to secure the southern border and was far more focused on hiring border agents and not erecting a fence/wall. now we're all focused on ONE pillar, the wall, at drastically reduced numbers

Serbone · Jan 20, 2019

theDonger said:
Why wasn't this issue a priority the last 2 years when the Republican party held all 3 branches of government?

Didn't the democrats offer Trump $25 billion for a wall in exchange for DACA reform and Trump shot it down?

The GOP is not really supporting Trump's agenda.

Willie99 · Jan 20, 2019

theDonger said:
Why wasn't this issue a priority the last 2 years when the Republican party held all 3 branches of government?

Didn't the democrats offer Trump $25 billion for a wall in exchange for DACA reform and Trump shot it down?

it passed the house, they didn't have a super majority in the Senate and that's what's holding it up, even today

Trump offered the Dems DACA and a path to citizenship, last summer and yesterday, the Dems rejected it because they don't want to hand Trump a victory (those brilliant compassionate people that they are) AND they want a wedge issue for 2020. They're going to run against Trump saying he repealed the executive offer because he's racist, and never mention the fact that he's been offering a permanent solution. They'll get away with it too, because the democratic media will sell the democratic narrative, it's what they do

Dave007inVegas · Jan 20, 2019

Does it really matter what both sides are proposing? I don't think Trump will budge nor
will Pelosi/Schumer. So how will this effect voters? It won't. Trump voters will still
vote for him as long as he doesn't cave. It'll be a wash.

theDonger · Jan 21, 2019

rolltide said:
so yeah you can say the GOP or Trump (even though he never had a bill to veto) had an offer on the table but it didn't include 2 of the 4 major pillars of the program, did not allocate the money immediately, and covered 1/3 of the miles required to secure the southern border and was far more focused on hiring border agents and not erecting a fence/wall. now we're all focused on ONE pillar, the wall, at drastically reduced numbers

Immigration has been a priority: Muslim ban, ICE arrests/deportations are two that immediately come to mind. However, you never really heard much about a wall other than Mexico was going to pay for it. At least I didn't, but I don't follow this stuff as closely as others.

Trump, with a GOP controlled congress, had 2 years to get this done but there were other priorities: repealing Obamacare, Muslim ban, trade with China, etc. You know, Obama had a Dem controlled congress and didn't get everything he wanted either -- that's politics.

I personally think this is a odd choice of an issue to die on a hill for. A wall? Has no one seen "BLOW" with Johnny Depp where they were flying drugs into the United States? Or the giant train-sized underground tunnels from Mexico that exit to some abandoned building the New Mexico?

I just feel like that are smarter options that make more sense than just saying "Build a wall!" I think the issue more complex than that and criminals are smarter than that.

You show me a 50ft wall and I'll show you my 51ft ladder. If physical barriers need to be updated or added in parts -- fine, do it. I am more interested in the details of the other pillars you mentioned and smart solutions. Too many ways to get around the wall -- seems like waste of resources.

theDonger · Jan 21, 2019

Willie99 said:
it passed the house, they didn't have a super majority in the Senate and that's what's holding it up, even today

Trump offered the Dems DACA and a path to citizenship, last summer and yesterday, the Dems rejected it because they don't want to hand Trump a victory (those brilliant compassionate people that they are) AND they want a wedge issue for 2020. They're going to run against Trump saying he repealed the executive offer because he's racist, and never mention the fact that he's been offering a permanent solution. They'll get away with it too, because the democratic media will sell the democratic narrative, it's what they do

The Senate change the rules for a super-majority in order to vote on Neil Gorsich (sp?). They could have changed the rules to vote on the wall if they truly wanted to.

The House just passed the same bill that passed the Senate 100-0 back in December. Currently, Mitch McConnell won't bring that bill to a vote.

100 - 0

sinkhole · Jan 21, 2019

theDonger said:
Trump, with a GOP controlled congress, had 2 years to get this done but there were other priorities: repealing Obamacare, Muslim ban, trade with China, etc. You know, Obama had a Dem controlled congress and didn't get everything he wanted either -- that's politics.

You show me a 50ft wall and I'll show you my 51ft ladder. If physical barriers need to be updated or added in parts -- fine, do it. I am more interested in the details of the other pillars you mentioned and smart solutions. Too many ways to get around the wall -- seems like waste of resources.

I keep hearing and seeing that Trump had control of the house and senate.
That statement is not true.
To have control a president needs 60 seats in the senate.
Trump has never had control.

Obama had the majority in the house and 60 senators for a couple of years,
and still got little done. That shows us that the democrat legislators just
want to obstruct, no matter who is in charge.

There's nothing like the status quo.

Lastly, most people can't get over a high wall, even with a bigger ladder.

theDonger · Jan 21, 2019

sinkhole said:
I keep hearing and seeing that Trump had control of the house and senate.
That statement is not true.
To have control a president needs 60 seats in the senate.
Trump has never had control.

Obama had the majority in the house and 60 senators for a couple of years,
and still got little done. That shows us that the democrat legislators just
want to obstruct, no matter who is in charge.

There's nothing like the status quo.

Lastly, most people can't get over a high wall, even with a bigger ladder.

Trump did not have control of the house and senate -- The republican party did. The house majority leaders was Paul Ryan and Senate maj leader was McConnell. They passed a repeal of Obama care and tax cuts with those majorities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress

Democrats controlled both chambers on congress for Obama's first 2 years of his presidency, but did not have 60 votes in the senate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

I don't know how you draw a conclusion that "democrat legislators just want to obstruct" they got plenty done including a (watered-down) campaign promise of health-care reform. The takeaway from Obama's first 2 years should be that even with both chambers of congress controlled by Dems, Obama didn't get everything he wanted. That's politics!

I'm all for tougher immigration laws and having a discussion on the best way to accomplish those goals. But, to me, a wall is stupid when its so easy to get over, around, or under a wall -- tactics that are already being employed by the cartel and migrants.

My understanding on the situation is that border crossings are down and that a majority of illegal immigrants are people who are overstaying temporary VISAs. If that is true, then our money/efforts should be focused on VISA system or whatever mechanism is creating the most harm to the country.

rolltide · Jan 21, 2019

theDonger said:
Trump did not have control of the house and senate -- The republican party did. The house majority leaders was Paul Ryan and Senate maj leader was McConnell. They passed a repeal of Obama care and tax cuts with those majorities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/115th_United_States_Congress

Democrats controlled both chambers on congress for Obama's first 2 years of his presidency, but did not have 60 votes in the senate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

donger i think you're confused about how many votes it takes in the senate to pass a bill. it's 60 out of 100 and GOP only had a 51-49 edge in membership last year. yes 51/100 is a majority but it's a meaningless majority when it comes to the Senate

Obama's first two years in office had not only control of both House and Senate but his Senate majority included 59 reliable Democratic votes just one shy of filibuster-proof control. It's a lot easier to swing 1 vote your way than it is 9 votes

51 vs 49
59 vs 41 (57 dems + Sanders + Lieberman)

that is a massive difference!

sinkhole · Jan 21, 2019

Obama had a filibuster proof majority for only 4 months.

"Did President Obama have “total control” of Congress? Yes, for 4 entire months.
And it was during that very small time window that Obamacare was passed in the Senate with 60 all-Democratic votes."

https://www.ohio.com/akron/pages/when-obama-had-total-control-of-congress

I believe that Trump is in over his head as president, but I still support him.

When he ran for office he did not understand that the Washington DC swamp was endless, and that it included most creatures from all political parties.

The wall is not meant to completely solve the illegal immigration problem at our southern border, it will just make it more manageable.

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