Two casino shootings in the last three days in Las Vegas

JackStraw77 · Mar 17, 2019

Friday night a suspect held up the poker cage at the Bellagio at 9:45pm escaped through the valet. He tried to carjack a car and traded gunfire with police. One officer was shot. The bullet hit his bulletproof vest saving his life. The suspect was shot and later died in a hospital.

A few hours ago there was a shooting at the El Cortez. Four victims were shot. Not much information on this other than the suspect or suspects have been caught. Sounds gang related. No information on the victims but it didn't say that any of shots caused fatal injuries. Police say it's an isolated incident. Las Vegas has to do a better job preventing people from bringing guns into casinos.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-robber-bellagio-casino-trades-gunfire-police-las/story?id=61727817

https://www.fox5vegas.com/news/shoo...ticle_98bce522-48b0-11e9-bcd6-931c8453e9b5.ht

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

JackStraw77 said:
Las Vegas has to do a better job preventing people from bringing guns into casinos

What would you like them to do?

thekeyman · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
What would you like them to do?

These type of thugs don't need a reason to use a weapon this day and age,they just don't care and you will never stop it,..hell,they can't even control the schools from shootings

sharky99 · Mar 17, 2019

The strip has to be one of the worse places to commit a serious crime, large police presence in and out of uniform, cameras all over inside and outside can pan within inches of you, large call center monitoring cameras and peoples movements.

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

sharky99 said:
The strip has to be one of the worse places to commit a serious crime, large police presence in and out of uniform, cameras all over inside and outside can pan within inches of you, large call center monitoring cameras and peoples movements.

Definitely the dumbest area to try this. Again, I'd like to know what the OP would like them to do about it.

guitarjosh · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Definitely the dumbest area to try this. Again, I'd like to know what the OP would like them to do about it.

Check everyone who comes into the casino for weapons.

azbob · Mar 17, 2019

LV police are pretty pathetic. They gave up on even responding to minor traffice accidents a couple years ago so, when you drive around, no one pays any attention to "no right on red" signs or even red/yellow lights...no one gets stopped for that kind of stuff. We average about 1.5 people, per week, getting hit/killed by a car. The streets are lawless in terms of drivers and walkers.
The police showed their true colors during the Mandalay shooting. They were in the back pocket of the casinos who drove the narrative on releasing information. The local paper is still in a lawsuit asking for details regarding the investigation.
The local casinos would rather arm and man their own security instead of relying on the local cops.

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

guitarjosh said:
Check everyone who comes into the casino for weapons.

Brilliant. Yep, metal detectors, frisking, cavity checks for everyone. People will be beating down the door to vacation in Vegas. But why stop there. Let's just make a blanket policy for all hotels, churches, and wherever else a gun could appear (oh wait...that would be everywhere).

Hate to break it to you but I feel a hell of a lot safer being in an area with cameras, security everywhere, face recognition systems, etc. But cue the idiotic response of "but..but..but..they had a mass shooting". Yeah, lots of areas have had mass shootings much less safe than Vegas. Ultimately, your argument ends with gun control (another stupid and ineffective idea).

guitarjosh · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Brilliant. Yep, metal detectors, frisking, cavity checks for everyone. People will be beating down the door to vacation in Vegas. But why stop there. Let's just make a blanket policy for all hotels, churches, and wherever else a gun could appear (oh wait...that would be everywhere).

Hate to break it to you but I feel a hell of a lot safer being in an area with cameras, security everywhere, face recognition systems, etc. But cue the idiotic response of "but..but..but..they had a mass shooting". Yeah, lots of areas have had mass shootings much less safe than Vegas. Ultimately, your argument ends with gun control (another stupid and ineffective idea).

As opposed to suitcase bombs? Here's 50 pounds of explosives vs a truck:

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

guitarjosh said:
As opposed to suitcase bombs? Here's 50 pounds of explosives vs a truck:

Which means nothing. Your solution is basically to frisk everyone everywhere (an absolute logistics nightmare and not practical in any way), so a non-starter. Again, brilliant!

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Brilliant. Yep, metal detectors, frisking, cavity checks for everyone. People will be beating down the door to vacation in Vegas. But why stop there. Let's just make a blanket policy for all hotels, churches, and wherever else a gun could appear (oh wait...that would be everywhere).

Hate to break it to you but I feel a hell of a lot safer being in an area with cameras, security everywhere, face recognition systems, etc. But cue the idiotic response of "but..but..but..they had a mass shooting". Yeah, lots of areas have had mass shootings much less safe than Vegas. Ultimately, your argument ends with gun control (another stupid and ineffective idea).

Casinos and churches are about as soft as a target as you can find. Churches have been hit and they will continue to be hit.

Only a matter of time before someone does some serious damage on a casino floor. Sad times we live in. But reality is reality.

And no. Gun Control is not the answer. The US is flooded with guns. If someone wants to do damage with guns in the US, they will. Laws will never change that.

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

Desert Devil said:
Casinos and churches are about as soft as a target as you can find.

Compared to what? You honestly think most people's workplaces, schools, subways, or a supermarket wouldn't be softer than a casino? I beg to differ.

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Compared to what? You honestly think most people's workplaces, schools, subways, or a supermarket wouldn't be softer than a casino? I beg to differ.

High concentrations of people with zero security to enter a property. Churches and casinos are near the top of the list for sure.

Schools are getting harder and harder to just walk into without being stopped.

Supermarket? You might get 10 or so before everyone disperses. Maybe.

Churches and casinos you have a high concentration of people in a small area. And zero checks on metal when you enter.

They are soft targets. That's all I'm saying.

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

Desert Devil said:
High concentrations of people with zero security to enter a property. Churches and casinos are near the top of the list for sure.

Schools are getting harder and harder to just walk into without being stopped.

Supermarket? You might get 10 or so before everyone disperses. Maybe.

Churches and casinos you have a high concentration of people in a small area. And zero checks on metal when you enter.

They are soft targets. That's all I'm saying.

And there are much softer targets out there. I think you're being absurd. Sporting events, concerts, all sorts of major religious events, conferences, etc., etc. The list could go on and on. There are all sorts of places with little or no security. Given the choice, I'd take a casino any day over one of the aforementioned.

Let's stop being ridiculous here. The bottom line is there is no perfect solutions and making ambiguous statements like that of the OP solves nothing.

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Sporting events, concerts

And all of those have metal detectors and check bags before you enter. Casinos and churches do not. You can walk into a casino or church with no security whatsoever. That's my point.

Think before you post. Thanks.

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
I think you're being absurd.

You think I'm being absurd by saying churches and casinos are soft targets?

I think you are being retarded.

bodyforlife · Mar 17, 2019

Desert Devil said:
And all of those have metal detectors and check bags before you enter. Casinos and churches do not. You can walk into a casino or church with no security whatsoever. That's my point.

Think before you post. Thanks.

Uh no, all of them don't and as stated, there are much softer targets by far than casinos. Yeah, I think you're being foolish by thinking you have a valid argument. People take subways every day with virtually no security. There are massive amonuts of people in the financial districts and downtown in every metropolitan area in this country with much less security per square foot than a casino, and you have the audacity to call me retarded. Seriously, look in the mirror. This isn't even worth arguing about. You're wrong. Have a good night. I'm done with your nonsense now.

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Uh no

Uh, yeah. All big concerts and sporting events have security and/or metal detectors going in.

Think before you post.

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
there are much softer targets by far than casinos

Never said there wasn't. Just simply said that casinos are very soft targets.

Think before you post.

DesertDevil · Mar 17, 2019

bodyforlife said:
Yeah, I think you're being foolish by thinking you have a valid argument.

Ive only argued that casinos and churches are soft targets. And they are.

You been smoking some good weed tonight? Either that or you must be getting me confused with someone else.