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New York Democratic congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez appeared on MSNBC Friday to address the Green New Deal with host Chris Hayes and discussed the dire world she's convinced lies ahead for Americans if climate change is not addressed.

“So this issue is not just about our climate. First and foremost we need to save ourselves. Period. There will be no future for the Bronx. There will be no livable future for generations coming, for any part of this country in a way that is better than the lot that we have today if we don't address this issue urgently and on the scale of the problem,” said Ocasio-Cortez.

The freshman congresswoman believes America has seen dire situations before and mobilized, but mostly in connection with conflict and war. "Historically speaking, we have mobilized our entire economy around war. But I thought to myself it doesn't have to be that way, especially when our greatest existential threat is climate change,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

“And so to get us out of this situation, to revamp our economy to create dignified jobs for working Americans, to guarantee health care and elevate our educational opportunities and attainment, we will have to mobilize our entire economy around saving ourselves and taking care of this planet.”

Ocasio-Cortez also addressed critics of the Green New Deal legislation she'd co-sponsored, after MSNBC played a montage of Republicans and pundits, including some on Fox News, criticizing her and talking about “cow farts” and accusing her of wanting to take away their “hamburgers.”

“I didn't expect them to make total fools of themselves,” Ocasio-Cortez said, saying she expected the criticism.

 

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They've been spewing this "we're doomed if we don't do something" nonsense for a hundred years. None of their past predictions came anywhere close to occurring, so now they're just upping the dire predictions looking for one thing and one thing only, a legislated right to an endless supply of our tax dollars. That's all this hoax is about. The Paris accord was a brazen, global attempt to rob US taxpayers, which is why Obama signed it and why Trump told the other nations to pound sand. Republicans continue to insist on free market solutions and we lead the world in emission reductions. Dingbat bartender O'Crazio can get back to us with the farting cows, no more airplanes, 'tear down and rebuild every single structure in the US' nonsense when we're #2. I'll wait.
 

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What's a climate denier?

person who thinks we're going to stop 2 billion years of climate change and 17,000 years of global warming by driving smaller cars or using windmills

If I need to elaborate, well then your that guy



Politicians, especially liberals, are always promising to fix something, and history tells us they only make it worse. They have the "fuck it up" touch

I doubt the bartender knows how to make a good rum and coke, she's that stupid.
 

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You guys are going to flip the fuck out when she runs for president and wins -- That is if Trump doesn't get us all killed before then.

AOC 2028?
 

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Show me an article for the 1920's that says "global warming! We're dooomed!!"

NY Times, Sunday January 23, 1926. I have found studies (using the same Internet you use) that date to the late 1890s that tell a big scary story of greenhouse gasses! But since you're a liberal that, due to stupidity and or sheer laziness, requires you to be spoonfed and not fulfilling your request will, most assuredly, result in you throwing the typical liberal infantile temper tantrum of "see, you have nothing," I have given you the newspaper, I have given you the exact date. If you're that interested, you will do the rest, if you're not, pound sand.
 

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What's a climate denier?

person who thinks we're going to stop 2 billion years of climate change and 17,000 years of global warming by driving smaller cars or using windmills

If I need to elaborate, well then your that guy



Politicians, especially liberals, are always promising to fix something, and history tells us they only make it worse. They have the "fuck it up" touch

I doubt the bartender knows how to make a good rum and coke, she's that stupid.

exactly, you ask that dingbat for a screwdriver and her reply is, "like the flat one or with the X-ee thing on it?"
 

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Surely on Monday they will come out and say April Fools and this chic will go back to working at Burger King
 

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NY Times, Sunday January 23, 1926. I have found studies (using the same Internet you use) that date to the late 1890s that tell a big scary story of greenhouse gasses! But since you're a liberal that, due to stupidity and or sheer laziness, requires you to be spoonfed and not fulfilling your request will, most assuredly, result in you throwing the typical liberal infantile temper tantrum of "see, you have nothing," I have given you the newspaper, I have given you the exact date. If you're that interested, you will do the rest, if you're not, pound sand.

And not a single link or source to an article -- All talk, no substance. Par for the trumptarded course on this site unfortunately.
 

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Show me an article for the 1920's that says "global warming! We're dooomed!!"

First calculations of human-induced climate change, 1896

In 1896 Svante Arrhenius calculated the effect of a doubling atmospheric carbon dioxide to be an increase in surface temperatures of 5–6 degrees Celsius.

T.C. Chamberlin
By the late 1890s, American scientist Samuel Pierpoint Langley along with Frank W. Very[21] had attempted to determine the surface temperature of the Moon by measuring infrared radiation leaving the Moon and reaching the Earth.[22] The angle of the Moon in the sky when a scientist took a measurement determined how much CO
2 and water vapor the Moon's radiation had to pass through to reach the Earth's surface, resulting in weaker measurements when the Moon was low in the sky. This result was unsurprising given that scientists had known about infrared radiation absorption for decades.

In 1896, Swedish scientist, Svante Arrhenius, used Langley's observations of increased infrared absorption where Moon rays pass through the atmosphere at a low angle, encountering more carbon dioxide (CO
2), to estimate an atmospheric cooling effect from a future decrease of CO
2. He realized that the cooler atmosphere would hold less water vapor (another greenhouse gas) and calculated the additional cooling effect. He also realized the cooling would increase snow and ice cover at high latitudes, making the planet reflect more sunlight and thus further cool down, as James Croll had hypothesized. Overall Arrhenius calculated that cutting CO
2 in half would suffice to produce an ice age. He further calculated that a doubling of atmospheric CO
2 would give a total warming of 5–6 degrees Celsius.

Further, Arrhenius' colleague Professor Arvid Högbom, who was quoted in length in Arrhenius' 1896 study On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Earth[23] had been attempting to quantify natural sources of emissions of CO
2 for purposes of understanding the global carbon cycle. Högbom found that estimated carbon production from industrial sources in the 1890s (mainly coal burning) was comparable with the natural sources.[24] Arrhenius saw that this human emission of carbon would eventually lead to warming. However, because of the relatively low rate of CO
2 production in 1896, Arrhenius thought the warming would take thousands of years, and he expected it would be beneficial to humanity.[24][25]

In 1899 Thomas Chrowder Chamberlin developed at length the idea that changes in climate could result from changes in the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide.[26] Chamberlin wrote in his 1899 book, An Attempt to Frame a Working Hypothesis of the Cause of Glacial Periods on an Atmospheric Basis:

Previous advocacy of an atmospheric hypothesis, — The general doctrine that the glacial periods may have been due to a change in the atmospheric content of carbon dioxide is not new. It was urged by Tyndall a half century ago and has been urged by others since. Recently it has been very effectively advocated by Dr. Arrhenius, who has taken a great step in advance of his predecessors in reducing his conclusions to definite quantitative terms deduced from observational data. [..] The functions of carbon dioxide. — By the investigations of Tyndall, Lecher and Pretner, Keller, Roentgen, and Arrhenius, it has been shown that the carbon dioxide and water vapor of the atmosphere have remarkable power of absorbing and temporarily retaining heat rays, while the oxygen, nitrogen, and argon of the atmosphere possess this power in a feeble degree only. It follows that the effect of the carbon dioxide and water vapor is to blanket the earth with a thermally absorbent envelope. [..] The general results assignable to a greatly increased or a greatly reduced quantity of atmospheric carbon dioxide and water may be summarized as follows:

a. An increase, by causing a larger absorption of the sun's radiant energy, raises the average temperature, while a reduction lowers it. The estimate of Dr. Arrhenius, based upon an elaborate mathematical discussion of the observations of Professor Langley, is that an increase of the carbon dioxide to the amount of two or three times the present content would elevate the average temperature 8° or 9° C. and would bring on a mild climate analogous to that which prevailed in the Middle Tertiary age. On the other hand, a reduction of the quantity of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere to an amount ranging from 55 to 62 per cent, of the present content, would reduce the average temperature 4 or 5 C, which would bring on a glaciation comparable to that of the Pleistocene period.
b. A second effect of increase and decrease in the amount of atmospheric carbon dioxide is the equalization, on the one hand, of surface temperatures, or their differentiation on the other. The temperature of the surface of the earth varies with latitude, altitude, the distribution of land and water, day and night, the seasons, and some other elements that may here be neglected. It is postulated that an increase in the thermal absorption of the atmosphere equalizes the temperature, and tends to eliminate the variations attendant on these contingencies. Conversely, a reduction of thermal atmospheric absorption tends to intensify all of these variations. A secondary effect of intensification of differences of temperature is an increase of atmospheric movements in the effort to restore equilibrium. Increased atmospheric movements, which are necessarily convectional, carry the warmer air to the surface of the atmosphere, and facilitate the discharge of the heat and thus intensify the primary effect. [..]
In the case of the outgoing rays, which are absorbed in much larger proportions than the incoming rays because they are more largely long-wave rays, the tables of Arrhenius show that the absorption is augmented by increase of carbonic acid in greater proportions in high latitudes than in low; for example, the increase of temperature for three times the present content of carbonic acid is 21.5 per cent, greater between 60° and 70° N. latitude than at the equator.

It now becomes necessary to assign agencies capable of removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere at a rate sufficiently above the normal rate of supply, at certain times, to produce glaciation; and on the other hand, capable of restoring it to the atmosphere at certain other times in sufficient amounts to produce mild climates.

When the temperature is rising after a glacial episode, dissociation is promoted, and the ocean gives forth its carbon dioxide at an increased rate, and thereby assists in accelerating the amelioration of climate.

A study of the life of the geological periods seems to indicate that there were very notable fluctuations in the total mass of living matter. To be sure there was a reciprocal relation between the life of the land and that of the sea, so that when the latter was extended upon the continental platforms and greatly augmented, the former was contracted, but notwithstanding this it seems clear that the sum of life activity fluctuated notably during the ages. It is believed that on the whole it was greatest at the periods of sea extension and mild climates, and least at the times of disruption and climatic intensification. This factor then acted antithetically to the carbonic acid freeing previously noted, and, so far as it went, tended to offset its effects.

In periods of sea extension and of land reduction (base-level periods in particular), the habitat of shallow water lime-secreting life is concurrently extended, giving to the agencies that set carbon dioxide free accelerated activity, which is further aided by the consequent rising temperature which reduces the absorptive power of the ocean and increases dissociation. At the same time, the area of the land being diminished, a low consumption of carbon dioxide both in original decomposition of the silicates and in the solution of the limestones and dolomites obtains.

Thus the reciprocating agencies again conjoin, but now to increase the carbon dioxide of the air. These are the great and essential factors. They are modified by several subordinate agencies already mentioned, but the quantitative effect of these is thought to be quite insufficient to prevent very notable fluctuations in the atmospheric constitution.

As a result, it is postulated that geological history has been accentuated by an alternation of climatic episodes embracing, on the one hand, periods of mild, equable, moist climate nearly uniform for the whole globe; and on the other, periods when there were extremes of aridity and precipitation, and of heat and cold; these last denoted by deposits of salt and gypsum, of subaerial conglomerates, of red sandstones and shales, of arkose deposits, and occasionally by glaciation in low latitudes.[27]

Paleoclimates and sunspots, early 1900s to 1950s
Arrhenius's calculations were disputed and subsumed into a larger debate over whether atmospheric changes had caused the ice ages. Experimental attempts to measure infrared absorption in the laboratory seemed to show little differences resulted from increasing CO
2 levels, and also found significant overlap between absorption by CO
2 and absorption by water vapor, all of which suggested that increasing carbon dioxide emissions would have little climatic effect. These early experiments were later found to be insufficiently accurate, given the instrumentation of the time. Many scientists also thought that the oceans would quickly absorb any excess carbon dioxide.[24]

Other theories of the causes of climate change fared no better. The principal advances were in observational paleoclimatology, as scientists in various fields of geology worked out methods to reveal ancient climates. Wilmot H. Bradley found that annual varves of clay laid down in lake beds showed climate cycles. An Arizona astronomer, Andrew Ellicott Douglass, saw strong indications of climate change in tree rings. Noting that the rings were thinner in dry years, he reported climate effects from solar variations, particularly in connection with the 17th-century dearth of sunspots (the Maunder Minimum) noticed previously by William Herschel and others. Other scientists, however, found good reason to doubt that tree rings could reveal anything beyond random regional variations. The value of tree rings for climate study was not solidly established until the 1960s.[28][29]

Through the 1930s the most persistent advocate of a solar-climate connection was astrophysicist Charles Greeley Abbot. By the early 1920s, he had concluded that the solar "constant" was misnamed: his observations showed large variations, which he connected with sunspots passing across the face of the Sun. He and a few others pursued the topic into the 1960s, convinced that sunspot variations were a main cause of climate change. Other scientists were skeptical.[28][29] Nevertheless, attempts to connect the solar cycle with climate cycles were popular in the 1920s and 1930s. Respected scientists announced correlations that they insisted were reliable enough to make predictions. Sooner or later, every prediction failed, and the subject fell into disrepute.[30]

Meanwhile, the Serbian engineer Milutin Milankovitch, building on James Croll's theory, improved the tedious calculations of the varying distances and angles of the Sun's radiation as the Sun and Moon gradually perturbed the Earth's orbit. Some observations of varves (layers seen in the mud covering the bottom of lakes) matched the prediction of a Milankovitch cycle lasting about 21,000 years. However, most geologists dismissed the astronomical theory. For they could not fit Milankovitch’s timing to the accepted sequence, which had only four ice ages, all of them much longer than 21,000 years.[31]

In 1938 a British engineer, Guy Stewart Callendar, attempted to revive Arrhenius's greenhouse-effect theory. Callendar presented evidence that both temperature and the CO
2 level in the atmosphere had been rising over the past half-century, and he argued that newer spectroscopic measurements showed that the gas was effective in absorbing infrared in the atmosphere. Nevertheless, most scientific opinion continued to dispute or ignore the theory.[32]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_climate_change_science
 

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Show me an article for the 1920's that says "global warming! We're dooomed!!"

There are many more examples of the media and scientists flip-flopping between warming and cooling scares.

Here is a quote from the New York Times reporting on fears of an approaching ice age.

“Geologists Think the World May be Frozen Up Again.”

That sentence appeared over 100 years ago in the February 24, 1895 edition of the New York Times.

Let me repeat. 1895, not 1995.

A front page article in the October 7, 1912 New York Times, just a few months after the Titanic struck an iceberg and sank, declared that a prominent professor “Warns Us of an Encroaching Ice Age.”

The very same day in 1912, the Los Angeles Times ran an article warning that the “Human race will have to fight for its existence against cold.” An August 10, 1923 Washington Post article declared: “Ice Age Coming Here.”

By the 1930’s, the media took a break from reporting on the coming ice age and instead switched gears to promoting global warming:

“America in Longest Warm Spell Since 1776; Temperature Line Records a 25-year Rise” stated an article in the New York Times on March 27, 1933. The media of yesteryear was also not above injecting large amounts of fear and alarmism into their climate articles.

An August 9, 1923 front page article in the Chicago Tribune declared:

“Scientist Says Arctic Ice Will Wipe Out Canada.” The article quoted a Yale University professor who predicted that large parts of Europe and Asia would be “wiped out” and Switzerland would be “entirely obliterated.”

A December 29, 1974 New York Times article on global cooling reported that climatologists believed “the facts of the present climate change are such that the most optimistic experts would assign near certainty to major crop failure in a decade.”

The article also warned that unless government officials reacted to the coming catastrophe, “mass deaths by starvation and probably in anarchy and violence” would result. In 1975, the New York Times reported that “A major cooling [was] widely considered to be inevitable.” These past predictions of doom have a familiar ring, don’t they? They sound strikingly similar to our modern media promotion of former Vice president’s brand of climate alarmism.

After more than a century of alternating between global cooling and warming, one would think that this media history would serve a cautionary tale for today’s voices in the media and scientific community who are promoting yet another round of eco-doom.

Much of the 100-year media history on climate change that I have documented here today can be found in a publication titled “Fire and Ice” from the Business and Media Institute. http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/2006/fireandice/fireandice_timeswarns.asp
 

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And not a single link or source to an article -- All talk, no substance. Par for the trumptarded course on this site unfortunately.

Yet it still exists, 93 years later. Whining like a pu$$y about it isn't going to help. A real man would've given me the author's name and the context by now. But you're not a real man, just a pu$$y liberal that cries whenever they aren't spoon fed. Par for the libtard course in this country unfortunately.
 

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What's a climate denier?

person who thinks we're going to stop 2 billion years of climate change and 17,000 years of global warming by driving smaller cars or using windmills

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Politicians, especially liberals, are always promising to fix something, and history tells us they only make it worse. They have the "fuck it up" touch

I doubt the bartender knows how to make a good rum and coke, she's that stupid.
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]True that. If they are good at anything it's finding a solution in search of a problem and
their solutions always cost tax payers a boat load of money.
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^^^^^^

That's why we don't want you taking any self ban bets, Trends.
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]Suppose Trends for some unimaginable reason lost that bet he could always pull a JD and
no one would blink an eye.
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It's so funny to watch the GOP freak the fuck out over AOC and try to discredit her only to be publicly roasted by her.

Fucking brilliant. She's like the democratic equivalent to Trump, only better educated, more articulate, and ideas that are popular with voters.
 

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