Amash FISA limitation bill flames out, SWAMP alive and well

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I know Trump lovers don't like Justin Amash but he's one of the few folks in DC that actually practices what he preaches. I was excited about his bipartisan bill getting voted on this week but, as usual, nobody in DC ever wants to do the right thing

https://reason.com/2019/06/19/house-votes-down-amashs-attempt-to-stop-warrantless-fisa-surveillance/


in short, the House just rubber-stamped ongoing taxpayer-funded domestic surveillance. The same dem-controlled House that claims to be never-Trumpers had a chance to significantly limit warrantless surveillance and overwhelmingly decided not to....

and, GOPers that have spent the past 2 years whining about Obama's limitless control of the FISA process could have just ended that practice...:neenee:

long live the swamp!

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[FONT=&quot]Privacy advocates and civil liberties defenders are expressing outrage after the Democratic-controlled U.S. House of Representatives on Tuesday night voted down a bipartisan amendment designed to end, as one group put it, the U.S. government's "most egregious mass surveillance practices" first revealed by National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In a final vote of 253-175, it was 126 Democrats who joined with 127 Republicans to vote against an amendment introduced by Rep Justin Amash (R-Mich.) and Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) that would have closed loopholes in Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that critics charge has allowed the NSA to abuse warrantless surveillance capabilities and target the emails, text messages, and internet activity of U.S. citizens and residents. See the full roll call here.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Among the high-profile Democrats to vote against the bill was Rep. Adam Schiff, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee and a frequent and outspoken critic of President Donald Trump.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"It's good to know that House Democrats like Adam Schiff are 'resisting' Trump by voting to ensure that he has limitless authority to conduct mass warrantless surveillance," said Evan Greer, the deputy director of Fight for the Future, in a statement rebuking those Democrats who sided with the president and the Republicans in voting down the Amash-Lofgren amendment.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]While House Democrats otherwise treat Trump as an existential threat who cannot be trusted on any matter, Greer and her group said it was bewildering to see a majority of the party leave such "terrifying" mass surveillance powers in the hands of the president and the intelligence agencies he largely controls.
Not letting Republicans off the hook, however, she said the GOP should "be even more embarrassed" than the Democrats over their vote. House Republicans, added Greer, have "spent months complaining about the Obama administration’s abuses of FISA and then voted for the status quo when they had an actual opportunity to rein in Big Brother."
"This amendment would have finally closed legal loopholes that the US government has abused to conduct sickening and pervasive monitoring and collection of the most intimate details of our lives," she said. "Congress should do their job by defending the constitution and enacting comprehensive legislation to ban mass government spying, outlaw use of facial recognition technology by law enforcement, and hold corporations accountable for collecting and misusing our data.[/FONT]
 

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FISA should be junked. "Domestic surveillance" has no business in a free country. Obama and his criminal cartel proved that in spades over 8 years.
 

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I could be wrong and I often am but I think there was a little "fuck you Justin Amash"
going on by the Republicans. Right or wrong you just don't criticize the President when
he represents your party.

He may pratice what he preaches but he preaches like a Democrat. You can't call for the
impeachment of Trump when you're a Republican. Unless of course you're suicidal or just
plain stupid.
 

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I could be wrong and I often am but I think there was a little "fuck you Justin Amash"
going on by the Republicans. Right or wrong you just don't criticize the President when
he represents your party.

He may pratice what he preaches but he preaches like a Democrat. You can't call for the
impeachment of Trump when you're a Republican. Unless of course you're suicidal or just
plain stupid.
nah, i think it's simply that having taxpayers pay for the GOVT to spy on them is something both sides can agree on

if anything the GOP voted this bill down simply because it's their turn to do the warrantless, limitless snooping.

and he preaches like a Libertarian, not a Democrat, in 99% of what he says. Trump impeachment narrative being that 1% of the time he sides with the Libs. And, you're right, it was a stupid move and one that he probably made to gain the Libertarian vote in 2020 and not because of any special job preservation.

This was a bill that needed to pass and proof that the swamp will absolutely never be drained.

the last thing the GOP should want is to get into a pissing match with Amash. It won't take many Libertarian Amash votes to swing MI in the libbies favor
 

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nah, i think it's simply that having taxpayers pay for the GOVT to spy on them is something both sides can agree on

if anything the GOP voted this bill down simply because it's their turn to do the warrantless, limitless snooping.

and he preaches like a Libertarian, not a Democrat, in 99% of what he says. Trump impeachment narrative being that 1% of the time he sides with the Libs. And, you're right, it was a stupid move and one that he probably made to gain the Libertarian vote in 2020 and not because of any special job preservation.

This was a bill that needed to pass and proof that the swamp will absolutely never be drained.

the last thing the GOP should want is to get into a pissing match with Amash. It won't take many Libertarian Amash votes to swing MI in the libbies favor
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]IDK about that. He just resigned from The Freedom Caucus which he founded
presumable because they unanimously censured him.
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the point zipped right on past you, david

GOP whines about Obama/Hillary abuse of FISA power for 2 years and has the ability to defund it, they don't
DEM want to limit the Trump's power and could have done something about their claims of protecting personal privacy, they didn't

as Justin Amash said this "exemplifies what's wrong with Washington". the original bill was written for spying on potential terrorists, not domestic surveillance. Invoking some Trump vs Amash narrative here tells me you're just another moron sheeple. Looking forward to next week when you pretend to be appalled at how FISA warrants were handed out during the Obama administration
 
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If it's used properly it's a necessary tool in this age of terrorism. Don't be lulled into complacency. There are still people who would blow up every bridge in America if they could get away with it. Or half of any major city. You pick the one that could withstand that. I know that would cause major havoc in Boston, and not just for Boston as we are connected all around the country and the world.

Obama weaponized the law against political enemies. Those treasonous bastards need to pay for that. I'm still holding out hope that some major players will pay dearly for that abuse.

I'll bet anyone that such a scandal never comes out of the Trump administration. Unless the swamp keeps operating illegally behind his back.

That's why the Obama scoundrels need to be held accountable. To prevent future misuse.
 

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Nobody thinks the swamp has been drained in 29 months, especially with the Resist Resist Resist movement trying to tie Trump down

It's a process, and exposing the swamp is part of that process. I think we're moving in the right direction for the first time in my lifetime, albeit slowly

We know the swamp creatures are kicking and screaming like caged animals, that has to count for something
 

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the point zipped right on past you, david

GOP whines about Obama/Hillary abuse of FISA power for 2 years and has the ability to defund it, they don't
DEM want to limit the Trump's power and could have done something about their claims of protecting personal privacy, they didn't

as Justin Amash said this "exemplifies what's wrong with Washington". the original bill was written for spying on potential terrorists, not domestic surveillance. Invoking some Trump vs Amash narrative here tells me you're just another moron sheeple. Looking forward to next week when you pretend to be appalled at how FISA warrants were handed out during the Obama administration
I'm not sure why you are championing a loser like Amash. FISA warrants serve a purpose
when used by law enforcement. Not so much by the corrupt in society. I've said it before
and I'll say it again, if the government wants to tap my phone, read my emails or follow
me around, I say go for it. You will get bored to death in less than a week.

99% of the population falls under that category. The 1% that want to do harm should be
spied 24/7.

Amash reminds me of Ron Paul, a fucking nut job. But he's a Libertarian by nature so I
guess that's why you support him.

The point that zipped right on past me is simply hyperbole. Nothing more nothing less.
 

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If it's used properly it's a necessary tool in this age of terrorism. Don't be lulled into complacency. There are still people who would blow up every bridge in America if they could get away with it. Or half of any major city. You pick the one that could withstand that. I know that would cause major havoc in Boston, and not just for Boston as we are connected all around the country and the world.

Obama weaponized the law against political enemies. Those treasonous bastards need to pay for that. I'm still holding out hope that some major players will pay dearly for that abuse.

I'll bet anyone that such a scandal never comes out of the Trump administration. Unless the swamp keeps operating illegally behind his back.

That's why the Obama scoundrels need to be held accountable. To prevent future misuse.
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Amash reminds me of Ron Paul, a fucking nut job. But he's a Libertarian by nature so I
guess that's why you support him.
actually don't even like the guy, much more of a Rand Paul fan. I think Amash's bill was fucking dead-on however ... other than that he's a slimy wannabe

now if you think Rand is a jagoff then we definitely aren't on the same side which i assume is the case since you call Ron Paul "a fucking nut job". Guessing you have wallpaper of Mitt Romney's cock in your bedroom and a John McCain blowup doll, fn RINO

and, yeah, it zipped right by ya.... not the first time, not the last time

btw, If any sheep do care about limiting domestic surveillance in the guise of foreign terrorism Rand and Trump are supposedly working together on some FISA reconstruction. Of course the libbies won't vote for anything Trump is backing so it will stall in the House just like Amash's.
 

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actually don't even like the guy, much more of a Rand Paul fan. I think Amash's bill was fucking dead-on however ... other than that he's a slimy wannabe

now if you think Rand is a jagoff then we definitely aren't on the same side which i assume is the case since you call Ron Paul "a fucking nut job". Guessing you have wallpaper of Mitt Romney's cock in your bedroom and a John McCain blowup doll, fn RINO

and, yeah, it zipped right by ya.... not the first time, not the last time

btw, If any sheep do care about limiting domestic surveillance in the guise of foreign terrorism Rand and Trump are supposedly working together on some FISA reconstruction. Of course the libbies won't vote for anything Trump is backing so it will stall in the House just like Amash's.
[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]Not sure why you brought Rand into the conversation but that's OK.
Better than his old man but about as narrow minded as they come.

I respect him for his humanitarian work a hole lot more than his
work as a Senator but there are many worse than he is.

Guessing you have wallpaper of Mitt Romney's cock in your bedroom and a John McCain blowup doll.

An amusing attempt to offend me. You got no game.
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Ron Paul had some outlandish ideas, but I think many of his followers were the "nut jobs". People who have no idea about his policy positions and people who believed straw polls and random internet polling proved Paul was way ahead of everyone else

Think a lot of them were new to the political process, not long time rail birds like us :)






I respect both Pauls for sticking to their core beliefs, something very rare in DC
 

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Ron Paul had some outlandish ideas, but I think many of his followers were the "nut jobs". People who have no idea about his policy positions and people who believed straw polls and random internet polling proved Paul was way ahead of everyone else

Think a lot of them were new to the political process, not long time rail birds like us :)


I respect both Pauls for sticking to their core beliefs, something very rare in DC
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"Domestic surveillance" on the Boys/Girls in Washington would drain the swamp fast!
 

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I am so unworried about 99% of what happens in Wash DC that this topic *almost* inspires me, but not much.

Hey if at least one man or woman can remain gainfully employed scrutinizing my personal emails and phone calls, it seems a good deal. They will be bored stiff but better than unemployment
 

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