So Iran shot down one of our drones. What's next?

Dave007inVegas · Jun 21, 2019

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Do we retaliate and if so how?

When I saw Trump answer a reporter by saying "You'll see" I thought to myself
good answer, now STFU. Whatever else you might say is a waste of breath.
By taking no immediate action he showed that he's the adult in the room.

From what I've read we were ready to retaliate in some form. Then Trump abruptly
canceled. Excellent choice IMHO.

P[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]resumably[/FONT] it would have been a tit for tat response. Or as I like to call it
the beginning of a pissing contest. No need for that.

I don't know what Trump has planned if anything but whatever it is best to keep
it to himself.

If he decides that the shit must hit the fan then I hope he goes all out and cripples
Iran's defenses without putting one boot on the ground. No need for another Iraq.
And if it's time, might as well take out their nuclear program while we're at it.

Put an end to this bullshit and send a message to the rest of the world.
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SheriffJoe · Jun 21, 2019

John Kerry has been secretly "talking" with the Islamonazis for months. He and the Kenyan are behind this, guaranteed. Telling them to stir the pot so they can squeeze Trump for a similar Obama deal and increase tensions and maybe get rid of Trump in the process.

These treasonous bastards need to be locked up!

ScottL · Jun 21, 2019

Anyone else here willing to admit Trump pulled an Obama type move by cancelling the strike?

Don't know whether that will turn out well in the long run, but that's exactly what he did.

Iran only respects force. And they only use negotiations as a stall tactic until their next act of incitement. Their behavior will not change. And without world cooperation we at present have no good options except to strangle them financially until their own subjects overthrow them. Either that, or bunker busting bombs to cripple their nuclear program while decapitating their navy.

Michelangelo · Jun 21, 2019

I'll guarantee you that Trump told them that the party is over if there is one more "incident".

And if they still want to play around, unlike Obama, Trump will act.

Comparing those two is like comparing an uncoordinated ballerina to an NFL athlete.

Do you really think that responding with bombs would be the right move right now, Scott? I don't.

ScottL · Jun 21, 2019

Not sure Mich. But crippling one of their tankers might do the trick. I don't think they'd respond with anything but the same BS they do now.

BTW not comparing current and previous presidents on anything other than the reaction to this one incident.

I think if Hillary were elected we'd be in a war with NK right now. Obama pretty much tipped it off.

StevieRay · Jun 21, 2019

[h=1]Pentagon secretly struck back against Iranian cyberspies targeting U.S. ships[/h]

Serbone · Jun 22, 2019

We need to be careful. We mostly assume everything that happens would be "over there".

Let me bounce this off you.

War as we know it has changed. Over the centuries, it always has. This is not the world many of us grew up in, navy ships will not come across the Atlantic in a war.

Iran is capable of germ warfare, chemical warfare, even small tactical nukes, brought in easily... on our soil. Pick a few, 5, 10 cities. They already might be here, in place, prepared, poised, ready for an order someday. Hell we let them in, don't we? It is politically correct.

Iran might have even told us something like this is in place to hold us off.

Iran would only attack us in this manner if we ever destroy their homeland in a significant manner, if / when they have little or nothing to lose, so to speak.

NO I do not know this but I am outlining a scenario for you, one that to me, is more than "possible".

REDEYE · Jun 22, 2019

From what i heard , more sanctions were put into place after the drone strike. This has to be crippling them , without using force

SheriffJoe · Jun 22, 2019

VIDEO: Democrat Leaders Pelosi and Schumer Caught on Camera Doing Victory Dance After They Thought They Goaded Trump into War with Iran!

The leaders of the Democrat Party could care less about 150 Iranian lives. They could care even less about the fate of our country.

Everything, everyday to them, is about power and how to steal it and keep it.

Rather than attempting to make America a better place or keeping America great, Democrat leaders are all about power. On Friday before President Trump decided not to drop bombs on Iran for knocking down a US drone, the President met with Congressional leaders in the White House to discuss the situation.

After the meeting, Democrat Senate leader Chuck Schumer from New York and Democrat Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, could be seen cheering outside the White House. As they approached their cars, Schumer raised his hands in victory and Pelosi was smiling and cheering on Schumer.

The Democrat leaders clearly wanted President Trump to make a wrong move so they could criticize him endlessly for getting America into another bloody war. They don’t care about protecting the US, standing for justice or protecting innocent lives.

It is clear that the Democrats are not about protection of human lives or what is best for the USA. These leaders seek power. What wicked people.

Hat tip D. Manny

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...thought-they-goaded-trump-into-war-with-iran/

Willie99 · Jun 22, 2019

Scott L said:
Anyone else here willing to admit Trump pulled an Obama type move by cancelling the strike?

Don't know whether that will turn out well in the long run, but that's exactly what he did.

Iran only respects force. And they only use negotiations as a stall tactic until their next act of incitement. Their behavior will not change. And without world cooperation we at present have no good options except to strangle them financially until their own subjects overthrow them. Either that, or bunker busting bombs to cripple their nuclear program while decapitating their navy.

We don't know yet Scott. I think he has to respond, but the response doesn't have to be broadcast to the world or even made known to us. The Iranian leaders have to know they can't get away with escalating violence

Going to the media and boasting about some inconsequential retaliation is so Obama

ScottL · Jun 22, 2019

Serbone said:
We need to be careful. We mostly assume everything that happens would be "over there".

Let me bounce this off you.

War as we know it has changed. Over the centuries, it always has. This is not the world many of us grew up in, navy ships will not come across the Atlantic in a war.

Iran is capable of germ warfare, chemical warfare, even small tactical nukes, brought in easily... on our soil. Pick a few, 5, 10 cities. They already might be here, in place, prepared, poised, ready for an order someday. Hell we let them in, don't we? It is politically correct.

Iran might have even told us something like this is in place to hold us off.

Iran would only attack us in this manner if we ever destroy their homeland in a significant manner, if / when they have little or nothing to lose, so to speak.

NO I do not know this but I am outlining a scenario for you, one that to me, is more than "possible".

Iran has plotted multiple terror attacks in many different countries. Good intelligence sharing has thwarted them. If Iran had the weapons you suggested they'd already be using them. Nutjobs with murderous intentions don't hold back or neglect to press an advantage. And no way they threatened Trump to hold us off. The only reason Iran does not launch full-scale war and terror attacks here and all over the world is because they are weak.

theDonger · Jun 22, 2019

Trump is too much of a coward to fire someone face to face. It doesn't surprise me that he went limp and cowered away from iran.

Trump is weak.

roadreeler57 · Jun 22, 2019

theDonger said:
Trump is too much of a coward to fire someone face to face. It doesn't surprise me that he went limp and cowered away from iran.

Trump is weak.

I dont know if Id trade a drone for 150 lives either......U better believe Iran will pay for that drone one way or another just like Mexico will pay for the wall....One way or another....

Serbone · Jun 22, 2019

Scott L said:
Iran has plotted multiple terror attacks in many different countries. Good intelligence sharing has thwarted them. If Iran had the weapons you suggested they'd already be using them. Nutjobs with murderous intentions don't hold back or neglect to press an advantage. And no way they threatened Trump to hold us off. The only reason Iran does not launch full-scale war and terror attacks here and all over the world is because they are weak.

No, they would not.
It would be the equivalent of nuclear war and we would retaliate with full nuclear force and they would be destroyed.

Serbone · Jun 22, 2019

roadreeler57 said:
I dont know if Id trade a drone for 150 lives either......U better believe Iran will pay for that drone one way or another just like Mexico will pay for the wall....One way or another....

Agree.
Trump still does not want to be in the Middle East, it is a hellhole, we have wasted trillions, for nothing, lost lives, for nothing. Terrible mistakes were made in the past by us to be there in the first place.
We need to find a way to get out of there for good, let them chop each others heads off, live in squalor, go ahead, just stay away from our turf.

Dave007inVegas · Jun 22, 2019

Serbone said:
We need to be careful. We mostly assume everything that happens would be "over there".

Let me bounce this off you.

War as we know it has changed. Over the centuries, it always has. This is not the world many of us grew up in, navy ships will not come across the Atlantic in a war.

Iran is capable of germ warfare, chemical warfare, even small tactical nukes, brought in easily... on our soil. Pick a few, 5, 10 cities. They already might be here, in place, prepared, poised, ready for an order someday. Hell we let them in, don't we? It is politically correct.

Iran might have even told us something like this is in place to hold us off.

Iran would only attack us in this manner if we ever destroy their homeland in a significant manner, if / when they have little or nothing to lose, so to speak.

NO I do not know this but I am outlining a scenario for you, one that to me, is more than "possible".

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]I completely concur with this scenario. No country would ever consider invading the U.S.
Much like we knew in WWII invading Japan would cost millions of American lives.

However I believe the are 10 of thousands of sleepers here in the U.S. Not sure if they have
the above mentioned capabilities but they at the very least could kill thousands.

Europe is probably worse off because they are not united but with the influx of undocumented
foreigners entering the country we are playing a dangerous game.
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Dave007inVegas · Jun 22, 2019

Scott L said:
Anyone else here willing to admit Trump pulled an Obama type move by cancelling the strike?

Don't know whether that will turn out well in the long run, but that's exactly what he did.

Iran only respects force. And they only use negotiations as a stall tactic until their next act of incitement. Their behavior will not change. And without world cooperation we at present have no good options except to strangle them financially until their own subjects overthrow them. Either that, or bunker busting bombs to cripple their nuclear program while decapitating their navy.

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]Here is another way to look at it.

Trump’s response echoes that of President John F. Kennedy during the Cuban missile crisis.
Faced with two messages from Soviet premier Nikita Kruschev — one conciliatory on Friday,
one aggressive on Saturday — Kennedy chose to respond to the first and ignore the second.

Likewise, when the Soviet Union shot down a U-2 spy plane in the midst of the crisis, Kennedy
chose to conclude that Kruschev had not ordered the strike himself (a decision echoed in Trump’s
decision to consider the attack on the drone an accident). And when the USSR violated the blockade
the U.S. had set up around Cuba, which Kennedy had called a “quarantine” to avoid committing an
act of war, he let the first ship, the Bucharest, though because it had no weapons. He created
a deterrent while also preserving tactical flexibility to avoid being provoked into making the
first move.[/FONT]

ScottL · Jun 22, 2019

theDonger said:
Trump is too much of a coward to fire someone face to face. It doesn't surprise me that he went limp and cowered away from iran.

Trump is weak.

You're not even close and you know it. Not even the limpdick Dems fear Iran.

ScottL · Jun 22, 2019

Serbone said:
No, they would not.
It would be the equivalent of nuclear war and we would retaliate with full nuclear force and they would be destroyed.

That is the basic tenant of their version of Islam, to die as martyrs and bring about the return of the 12th imam. Iranian mullahs don't live in the present. They live for the hereafter.

Dave007inVegas · Jun 22, 2019

Scott L said:
That is the basic tenant of their version of Islam, to die as martyrs and bring about the return of the 12th imam. Iranian mullahs don't live in the present. They live for the hereafter.

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]I know that is what the Quran teaches but I wonder if the mullahs really believe that.

I mean they are all for someone else being a martyr but I don't see any of them straping
on a bomb and running headlong into a bunch of infidels.

I think they are much like our politicians and are pulling a scam on their followers.

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