Conservative scorecard: only 14 A's and 23 F's

rolltide · Jun 21, 2019

The 14 Conservatives with an "A" grade on how they've voted are:
Thomas Massie - KY
Rand Paul - KY
Jim Jordan - OH
Warren Davidson - OH
Louie Gohmert - TX
Mark Meadows - NC
Ted Budd - NC
Mike Lee - UT
Paul Gosar - AZ
Andy Biggs - AZ
Jeff Duncan - SC
Justin Amash - MI
Ken Buck - CO
Benjamin Sasse - NE

won't list all the F's but a few of the more well-known 23 RINOs who get the party F grade are:
Susan Collins - ME (votes conservative 10% of time! why not switch party?)
Lisa Murkowski - AK (i do like her pro-Nuclear power stance, however)
Mitch McConnell - KY (don't know why i'm surprised he is on here as a clear F, but he is. disappointing)
Lindsey Graham - SC (uh, not shocked)
Cory Gardner - CO (he blows)
Steve Scalise - LA (definitely loves a microphone)
Liz Cheney - WY (apple and tree)

Dave007inVegas · Jun 21, 2019

rolltide said:
The 14 Conservatives with an "A" grade on how they've voted are:
Thomas Massie - KY
Rand Paul - KY
Jim Jordan - OH
Warren Davidson - OH
Louie Gohmert - TX
Mark Meadows - NC
Ted Budd - NC
Mike Lee - UT
Paul Gosar - AZ
Andy Biggs - AZ
Jeff Duncan - SC
Justin Amash - MI
Ken Buck - CO
Benjamin Sasse - NE

won't list all the F's but a few of the more well-known 23 RINOs who get the party F grade are:
Susan Collins - ME (votes conservative 10% of time! why not switch party?)
Lisa Murkowski - AK (i do like her pro-Nuclear power stance, however)
Mitch McConnell - KY (don't know why i'm surprised he is on here as a clear F, but he is. disappointing)
Lindsey Graham - SC (uh, not shocked)
Cory Gardner - CO (he blows)
Steve Scalise - LA (definitely loves a microphone)
Liz Cheney - WY (apple and tree)

[FONT=Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Calibri,Geneva,sans-serif]I'm surprised also. He has been pretty much a Harry Reid for Trump. Where did you see these stats?[/FONT]

rolltide · Jun 21, 2019

RINO scorecard: https://www.conservativereview.com/top-25-rinos/

SheriffJoe · Jun 21, 2019

I would love to see Jim Jordan be president one day.

Willie99 · Jun 21, 2019

McConnell has been pushing and protecting the President's agenda, that has to count for something, especially approving judges and blocking anything Nancy tries to do

Graham is playing a big role in all this collusion / obstruction poppycock, but that doesn't count either because it's also not about a "vote"

Serbone · Jun 21, 2019

Again.
The majority of the GOP are NOT supporting Trump.
Some act like it in front of their OWN voters to avoid backlash.
It is like having a new boss that you do not like, you fake it, don't you? Soon he will be gone...
They do not want an outsider to succeed.
They want to keep the good times going, everybody wins, make money on deals, national and international, on the side, then make another fortune as a lobbyist or with a BIG law firm.
Most are not true patriots, they are phony opportunists.
There are theories that Trump has purged a lot of the phonies, frauds (Ryan, Flake, Corker, et al) with surgical precision, to get to some true GOP patriotic people, but I do not buy it.

busterhyman · Jun 22, 2019

Serbone said:
Again.
The majority of the GOP are NOT supporting Trump.
Some act like it in front of their OWN voters to avoid backlash.
It is like having a new boss that you do not like, you fake it, don't you? Soon he will be gone...
They do not want an outsider to succeed.
They want to keep the good times going, everybody wins, make money on deals, national and international, on the side, then make another fortune as a lobbyist or with a BIG law firm.
Most are not true patriots, they are phony opportunists.
There are theories that Trump has purged a lot of the phonies, frauds (Ryan, Flake, Corker, et al) with surgical precision, to get to some true GOP patriotic people, but I do not buy it.

true dat

mountain · Jun 22, 2019

Dave007inVegas said:
I'm surprised also. He has been pretty much a Harry Reid for Trump. Where did you see these stats?

His Merrick Garland SCOTUS block gets him a pass from me

Willie99 · Jun 23, 2019

I think the very expression "conservative" is often times misused. For me I use the traditional interpretation, adherence to the Constitution and the Rule of Law. Liberalism is about a "living / breathing Constitution". Which essentially means laws are interpreted as they see fit and when they think it's appropriate. The beauty of liberalism is that it's not grounded by the rule of law, but rather by the emotion of the day (and that's literally true)

So I look up how the Conservative Review team defines themselves. Here it is under About us and FAQ:

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How is the conservative position on a vote determined?

[FONT=Roboto !important]Principles. Conservative principles are the guiding North Star for Conservative Review. Principle such as limited government, free markets, traditional family values, individual freedom, rule of law, and a strong national defense are at the core of Conservative Review’s principles.[/FONT]
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I want to make it perfectly clear, I like these people and their mission, and I'm all about limited "federal" government (states rights people), freedom, rule of law and strong national defense. But I'm not sure where "traditional family values" is defined in the Constitution or even legislatively for that matter. I'm guessing that's where their score might be skewed somewhat from my perspective

But that's OK, because I don't expect to agree on every topic with anyone

PS: As I mentioned earlier, McConnell has to get a ton of credit for managing the SC Justices, probably the single most important issue of the day with long term consequences

rolltide · Jun 23, 2019

you can also use http://afpscorecard.org and get very similar scoring and even breaks it down by category. Obviously Amash, for example, has come to notoriety for his impeachment narrative but the fact is he votes for conservative ideas almost every time and has voted on Trump's side more than 90% of the time in this current congress. http://afpscorecard.org/#member#A000367#house

you can also pull it out by state, CT for example, http://afpscorecard.org/#state#ct

jim jordan's card, http://afpscorecard.org/#member#J000289#house

rolltide · Jun 23, 2019

Willie99 said:
PS: As I mentioned earlier, McConnell has to get a ton of credit for managing the SC Justices, probably the single most important issue of the day with long term consequences

perhaps but everything is pointing to Trump being duped into Kavanaugh. Every week, on the SCOTUS report, this guy is clearly Roberts' lapdog. This week he again sided with the Liberals on a vote that angered Thomas to the point of nearly singling out Kavanaugh in his dissent saying he was virtue signaling and basically just a white guy trying to feel good about himself by giving the black killer a 7th new trial. Even though the black guy has murdered 4 people and been given 6 trials without acquittal but because 5 of 6 potential black jurors were dismissed, Kavanaugh saw this as a racist lawyer, completely ignoring the fact that all 6 admitted to knowing the killer's family which would have seen them dismissed by any competent attorney no matter their skin color.

Kavanaugh is a fn disaster and opposes Gorsuch and Thomas on any worthwhile case

Willie99 · Jun 23, 2019

^^^^^ I find that concerning Keith, but three "conservative" judges ruled for this guy somehow. Not sure how he gets convicted 6 times and continues to get another chance

I hope this ruling doesn't become a pattern. The beltway fog is toxic, and people seem to become more concerned about media coverage than they are their core values.

Judge Roberts told us 1000x he's just going to call "balls and strikes", then he rewrites Obamacare to make it Constitutional. Of course the rewrite made it a taxing policy which made it easier to change, and Trump did just that be executive order. But still, the writing of laws from the bench is exactly what I oppose

rolltide · Jun 23, 2019

Kavanaugh has a host of 5-4's siding with Liberals...it's bizarre, almost like he faked his way into this position as a Republican with the most famous one being the Apple case last month where he hopped on board with RBG, Kagan, Soto

agree on roberts which is why it's so discouraging that kavvy seems to want his love and attention. right now only gorsuch scalito and thomas can be counted on

today Kavanaugh/Gorsuch have the lowest correlation of votes for any pair appointed by a president in first term together.

the Gorsuch/Kavanaugh split votes make a massive difference because the democrats overwhelmingly vote with each other in 4-scotus blocs

rolltide · Jun 23, 2019

Serbone said:
Again.
The majority of the GOP are NOT supporting Trump.

if you go by voting records this is simply untrue

you're talking opinion based on who wants to get in front of a microphone and publicly align with him. it's a public perception thing as you probably think the dems are well-aligned simply because the same 10 fools always have a mic in their face trashing the prez.

while i find it disconcerting that someone like Amash would align with Trump on 95% of the issues then publicly talk impeachment I also realize these are all scumbags looking for career preservation and their next life vest. He's doing this for some reason, I just don't quite know what it is, but I'm guessing there's a pot of gold at the end of his path in the form of a lobbying position or a sweet committee appointment.

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