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While we are in the MLB break i thought I would post this thread to see if there is any interest.

Lately I have been using the SBR ( our sister forum ) line feed there are 3 nice attributes to the page

1. You can click on the line you like and record it as play - super easy for tracking your record. This record can be exported to a excel file for easy manipulation if you playing multi sports
2. The history is great so far I have only gone back a few weeks for data but the storage is great . Will be back testing NFL LY to see if it's history is there during the MLB break
3. Lastly they show lines from over 20 Sports books so you can set you pages however you like - but the best part is they highlight the Best line in BLUE, & that is the purpose of this note.

Here is how I have my screen set up for PAGE 1.

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You can see yesterday Matchbook (MB) had the Best Fav Line on the JAYS & the Jays covered the RL . For those of you who don't know Matchbook is a betting exchange that allows the market to set the lines they just take a commission of each winning bet.

IMO b/c of this Matchbook should always have the best line, but that always isn't the case see the second game Bookmaker has the best line on Philly and they covered RL.

Its early days for this tracking but I am definitely seeing some trends emerge & here they are for discussion purposes

1A. MB should always be the best line on the FAV when they are not consider the Dog. But when they are the cover the RL 50% of the time, this is usually a +$ bet.

1B. When MB Is the best FAV & the best dog consider the FAV & the RL as well.

1C. When MB is the best dog line the dog (but not the best fav) is winning at 70% rate & the ARL is over 50% . This makes sense to me all the other books shade the dog line, here is a good example of that from yesterday. You will notice on this screen shot MB is the best line but keep in mind there over 20 books listed so if you scroll through the pages you will see YOUwager had better line than MB which why they weren't the BL.

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2. When 5Dimes is the best dog line the play is the Dog and don't be afraid to hit the ARL it is cashing > than 60% of course the above Jays line proves. Unless you arbitraged both RL's or even just went JAYS RL AND O'S ML you would have made a profit.

3. When Bookmaker is the best favorite line consider the Fav and again don't be shy on the RL. The sample size on this one is small but the RL is cashing at high rate. This surprises me b/c I have always consider BKMKR to be a book for sharp's b/c they open the lines. In the first example BKMAKER had the Best line on PHILLY and they covered the RL - MB also had the best line on the dog so we have another conflicting play or an opportunity to once again arbitrage the game if you want.

4. The last point I want to make is when the lines are tight <.05 for the fav among the first five books (MB, PINNY, 5D, Bookmaker & Heritage) like this example the Fav seems to cover but only by one run - this is good if you like to play winning margin bets . Usually win by 1 is +250 of more for a fav. And once again you could arbitrage that with a RL bet for the same side if you wanted. This trend was 3-0 yesterday.

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So that's the summary so far fell free to ask questions or comment if you have a similar strategy - I am excited to back test this across different sports while we have a break.

One thing that surprised me was how few time Pinnacle actually offered the best line on either a dog or Fav in a game, but when they did on the dog the dog won every time food for thought small sample.

Lastly I think those can be very useful for live betting especially with books who post lines right away once the games start like Bet365.

Powerz
 

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Oh rats - i see my snips did not show up not sure if a MOD can fix the image or not?
 

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Powerz, I don't like baseball, never played baseball and seldom ever watch a game but
I finished third in JOH's June BB contest using nothing but line information like you posted
above. I don't study pitchers, umpires, schedules or any stat information...just lines.
Understanding the books and their posted lines can be profitable and it only take minutes
to select playable teams.

Thanks Bud...………..
 

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GREAT THREAD!!!!!

I WISH we had more of this on here!!
 

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Where's the image Mike ?

BAS - Thanks for checking JOH contacted me already

Powerz, I don't like baseball, never played baseball and seldom ever watch a game but
I finished third in JOH's June BB contest using nothing but line information like you posted
above. I don't study pitchers, umpires, schedules or any stat information...just lines.
Understanding the books and their posted lines can be profitable and it only take minutes
to select playable teams.

Thanks Bud...………..

Cloverleaf - that is good news, congrats on your success using a similar system. I am always looking for a way to identify teh games I should be drilling down on with a handicapp


GREAT THREAD!!!!!

I WISH we had more of this on here!!

Tate - Thanks I think teh system will apply to hockey too
 

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And good news looks like last years NFL line are accessible at SBR d1g1t:modemman:
 

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powerz, if i can add a suggestion, i do USE tje same texhnique as you in line reading, i also ADD TO IT... Carib realtime data...

Sooooo we can use Realtime data, with Line moves, ive done this for 3 years now?

Takes finesse, but i think that also will Yield a Solid set of info ESPECIALLY in college sports
 

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Very interesting.
What kind of sample sizes do you have on some of these?
Thanks for taking the time on this.
 

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powerz, if i can add a suggestion, i do USE tje same texhnique as you in line reading, i also ADD TO IT... Carib realtime data...

Sooooo we can use Realtime data, with Line moves, ive done this for 3 years now?

Takes finesse, but i think that also will Yield a Solid set of info ESPECIALLY in college sports



http://www.caribsports.com/docs/ALL.caribpicks.html


Heres the carib link,, not that hard to find,,, but this is much easier for us lazy ones,, lol

you asked whats my sample size? over 3 years? 2000 is games analyzed, and cross refrenced with carib, I was using the carib with least plays + line movement, and most plays with reverse line movement!
 

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here's the sample you sent me - copied it into your post 1
 

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Thanks for this. Very interesting. Will certainly be keeping an eye on it for the next little while. Good to see a sports betting thread for once. Other than Mobs post
 

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I bet based on market prices too, take all the emotion out of it. Baseball has the most parity when it comes to line shopping of all the sports which is why I like betting it the most. I've also noticed that pinny rarely has the best line on the side I want. And not often vice versa either. I'm getting a better line than pinny in Nevada in Bases more often than not on both sides.
 

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Very interesting.
What kind of sample sizes do you have on some of these?
Thanks for taking the time on this.

Harry so far the sample size is small, but working through NFL and NHL data on the break

http://www.caribsports.com/docs/ALL.caribpicks.html


Heres the carib link,, not that hard to find,,, but this is much easier for us lazy ones,, lol

you asked whats my sample size? over 3 years? 2000 is games analyzed, and cross refrenced with carib, I was using the carib with least plays + line movement, and most plays with reverse line movement!

Thanks Tate - Carib still around eh? are you saying the % update in game as well?
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here's the sample you sent me - copied it into your post 1

Thanks yeah it does not want to post a Snip - I'll try copying and pasting on to word and then pasting

Thanks for this. Very interesting. Will certainly be keeping an eye on it for the next little while. Good to see a sports betting thread for once. Other than Mobs post

Okie - :toast:

I bet based on market prices too, take all the emotion out of it. Baseball has the most parity when it comes to line shopping of all the sports which is why I like betting it the most. I've also noticed that pinny rarely has the best line on the side I want. And not often vice versa either. I'm getting a better line than pinny in Nevada in Bases more often than not on both sides.

Reno - this surprised me a bout Pinnacle as well - For hockey I added Nitrogen sports on my home page when they have the best dog line the FAV is 18-5 LOL and covered the PL 14 X...only 2 weeks of data but something to keep our eye on.
 

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I've been really busy so just curious how you have been making out the last 3 weeks?
 

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I also have a similar strategy as some of the points you made...

I also use pinnacle as the main factor of line reading.

1 thing I look for is how many cents better or worse pinny is from bovada's lines (square shop) on baseball.

Also look at pinny as far as their favorite prices...if the favorite has the lowest (best) price on the board out of the main books, I tend to take a hard look at the dog in the game.
 

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I've been really busy so just curious how you have been making out the last 3 weeks?

Layed off the The first week back - been slowly cranking it back up...

Taking the ML read is really hard to do prior to opening pitch too much line movement best to wait to first pitch....but then you get screwed like the reds tonight made it 2-0 before I could get a bet down.

Needless to say work in progress.

My old chart has been chugging out winners though and trying to stay with one or two plays a day.
 

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Also look at pinny as far as their favorite prices...if the favorite has the lowest (best) price on the board out of the main books, I tend to take a hard look at the dog in the game.

DNF thanks for chiming in...

Can you clarify this quote
 

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Nice. I have more time on my hands now so will be watching this closely. Getting ready for college football. Baseball has allways been a losing sport for me. Allways interested in ideas like yours.
Once again good luck w-thumbs!^w-thumbs!^
 

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