Agreed. That was just WOW. Then they review for 10 min when everyone knows it should be overturned. Of course it stands. I've never seen anything like that called and you it in Game 6 of the World Series. Blatantly doing it is one thing, he just ran straight to the bag.
Rendon made me jump out of my seat and just was an awesome "fuck you JoBu I'll do it myself"
Rendon made me jump out of my seat and just was an awesome "fuck you JoBu I'll do it myself"
What’s crazy is how sports now have replay yet certain things are not reviewable. The fact that they even put the head sets on was ridiculous. I assumed it was being reviewed then were told it’s not reviewable really a wtf just happened moment. Ump made a bad call and there was nothing they could do. That home rum was justification.
In watching recording, just got to that point and all the excitement.
Let me make a few comments
#1 Joe Buck is an idiot and don’t listen to anything he says (slight exaggeration)
#2 Smoltz said the key words “we are coached to throw at the runner” in that situation
#3 Fox should have put up the rule for viewers
#4 Martinez said he knew he couldn’t protest a judgement call but had them go look at the play and rule so that is part of the 5 minute delay
#5 The part of the rule applicable is “umpires judgement” and “interferes with the fielder taking the throw”
I umpired and I always dreaded a play like this but by the letter of the rule it is the runners responsibility...has nothing to do with “running a straight line” like idiot Joe Buck kept saying (and other talking heads on ESPN)
So, is the rule subject to controversy, absolutely because the word “judgment” is there
Did the runner interfere with the fielder taking the throw, absolutely
The right call was made and fortunately all the “extra” didn’t prevent Nats from win.
We got a game 7 and I have Nats + 600!!
Lets have a great game!
Now back to last two innings of recording
Let me make a few comments
#1 Joe Buck is an idiot and don’t listen to anything he says (slight exaggeration)
#2 Smoltz said the key words “we are coached to throw at the runner” in that situation
#3 Fox should have put up the rule for viewers
#4 Martinez said he knew he couldn’t protest a judgement call but had them go look at the play and rule so that is part of the 5 minute delay
#5 The part of the rule applicable is “umpires judgement” and “interferes with the fielder taking the throw”
I umpired and I always dreaded a play like this but by the letter of the rule it is the runners responsibility...has nothing to do with “running a straight line” like idiot Joe Buck kept saying (and other talking heads on ESPN)
So, is the rule subject to controversy, absolutely because the word “judgment” is there
Did the runner interfere with the fielder taking the throw, absolutely
The right call was made and fortunately all the “extra” didn’t prevent Nats from win.
We got a game 7 and I have Nats + 600!!
Lets have a great game!
Now back to last two innings of recording
No.
It was not the correct call.
It was the wrong call, the wrong "judgement".
If it is a "judgement call" you say it is a "judgement call" then you can, then, justify anything, can't you?
Sure, MLB and Joe Torre (who I respect) will say it was the correct call if you lawyer up and put it into the category of being a judgement call.
Ump totally blew it, overeacted, it is good Rendon banged a HR because if the Astros came back and won the World Series clincher after this ridiculous, horrible call, this would be in the category of the Rams CB non PI call vs Saints.
It was not the correct call.
It was the wrong call, the wrong "judgement".
If it is a "judgement call" you say it is a "judgement call" then you can, then, justify anything, can't you?
Sure, MLB and Joe Torre (who I respect) will say it was the correct call if you lawyer up and put it into the category of being a judgement call.
Ump totally blew it, overeacted, it is good Rendon banged a HR because if the Astros came back and won the World Series clincher after this ridiculous, horrible call, this would be in the category of the Rams CB non PI call vs Saints.
Also, Gurriel's footwork on the play...
A high school first baseman would know better, Gurriel was not extended properly at all, he should have caught the ball several feet closer but was in a very bad position. His foot back foot was way back, his front foot was not extended properly.
So you could "judge" that Gurriel was the catalyst of the ball/glove/collision, he caught the ball right on the base very awkwardly, instead of easily reaching for it a few feet closer in fair territory.
Unbelieveable that in the goddam World Series is was not reviewable.
A high school first baseman would know better, Gurriel was not extended properly at all, he should have caught the ball several feet closer but was in a very bad position. His foot back foot was way back, his front foot was not extended properly.
So you could "judge" that Gurriel was the catalyst of the ball/glove/collision, he caught the ball right on the base very awkwardly, instead of easily reaching for it a few feet closer in fair territory.
Unbelieveable that in the goddam World Series is was not reviewable.
Not trying to be a jerk but have you ever umpired baseball?
Even if No, did you carefully read rule 5.09?
Those two lines are there for a reason. The runner better be in between them specially for this situation.
Sorry Serbone but the responsibility lies with the runner.
MLB Network did a great job of highlighting clearly the area he should have been running.
Rule won’t change. Judgement calls not reviewable.
And Yes the 1st baseman had poor footwork. Regardless, if runner had been between lines he wouldn’t have caused interference.
Hopefully we don’t have to talk about umps tonight.
Even if No, did you carefully read rule 5.09?
Those two lines are there for a reason. The runner better be in between them specially for this situation.
Sorry Serbone but the responsibility lies with the runner.
MLB Network did a great job of highlighting clearly the area he should have been running.
Rule won’t change. Judgement calls not reviewable.
And Yes the 1st baseman had poor footwork. Regardless, if runner had been between lines he wouldn’t have caused interference.
Hopefully we don’t have to talk about umps tonight.
DRo...and did you see him grinning....he was doing that for entertainment value and feed those people so angry who don’t understand the Rule
I get how emotional people can get but by the Rule 5.09 it WAS THE RIGHT CALL
Listen to the reasons DRo and others say....he was running straight line...what was he supposed to do, hop or skip before the base....it in no way addresses the Rule as written
I’m done....it’s like arguing with the conspiracy theorist
lets have a great game with the only drama being on the players and not the Umps
I get how emotional people can get but by the Rule 5.09 it WAS THE RIGHT CALL
Listen to the reasons DRo and others say....he was running straight line...what was he supposed to do, hop or skip before the base....it in no way addresses the Rule as written
I’m done....it’s like arguing with the conspiracy theorist
lets have a great game with the only drama being on the players and not the Umps
if your fine with that call ending a game in the bottom of the 9th then fine but i wouldnt be okay with it. if that happens in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 and ends the game then baseball would have a disaster on their hands similar to what the nfl did in new orleans. rules would be changed immediately. there was nothing egrigious to what turner had done so to me while close it shouldnt be called.
Turner was running to first the way every batter in the history of baseball has.
The first baseman was in an unbelieveably poor position, held the glove over the bag instead of in fair territory for the throw that came at a good angle from the third base line.
It is a judgement call. The ump panicked. Terrible judgement. I don't care if you were a high school umpire. Baseball insiders & experts everywhere say he did not interfere. The word "judgement" lets everybody off the hook. Of course, MLB network and Joe Torre will support the ump by pursing words... it was a "judgement call".
Guys I agree with all your aspects of his running, it’s a judgment call, no I wouldn’t want it to end a game in 9th inning, etc
My only point, (and Bob Costas and many other respected people have stated) it was a correct call based on the technicality of the rule.
Interesting that this was the same Ump who called that infield fly rule in short left field against AtL in 2012.
So he apparently is a stickler for rules as written and not taking into consideration why they were written??
To prevent an advantage by a team.
Evidently plenty of cheating when written back in the late 1800’s or early 1900’s.
Needs to be changed!
My only point, (and Bob Costas and many other respected people have stated) it was a correct call based on the technicality of the rule.
Interesting that this was the same Ump who called that infield fly rule in short left field against AtL in 2012.
So he apparently is a stickler for rules as written and not taking into consideration why they were written??
To prevent an advantage by a team.
Evidently plenty of cheating when written back in the late 1800’s or early 1900’s.
Needs to be changed!
