NEWS for the Brainless Lemmings in here. <---- ALL the Covid19 death counts are LIES

festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

[ I know this is going to cause certain trolls' heads to explode like MobTroll, MangoTroll Mr Troll it All, but the facts are coming out. ]

Point #1. Large metropolitan areas like NYC are LYING about their death counts, for various reasons. [FONT=&quot]They don’t distinguish between those who die with the disease and those who die from it.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]In NYC and other cities, the death of anyone who dies who tests positive for COVID-19 is counted as a coronavirus death. This is the case even if the coronavirus failed to play a significant role in the person’s passing or illness.

[FONT=&quot]New York City’s government isn’t the only one worldwide doing this.[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]In an open letter to Angela Merkel, the chancellor of Germany, Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Professor Emeritus of Medical Microbiology at the Johannes Gutenberg University of Mainz, wrote:[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"[T]he mistake is being made worldwide to report virus-related deaths as soon as it is established that the virus was present at the time of death – regardless of other factors. This violates a basic principle of infectiology: only when it is certain that an agent has played a significant role in the disease or death may a diagnosis be made.”[/FONT]

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[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Plenty of old people die who have cancer present in their bodies. Sometimes they don’t even know the cancer is present because the growth is tiny and slow-growing and doesn’t affect them. As they age, they die of some other cause even though they do in fact have cancer. When they die, it is not counted as a cancer-caused death because the cancer cannot be said to have killed them.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]

Point #2. The CDC is lying about the death numbers, and admitted it. They are counting Covid19 deaths for cases where they think it "might" be
the cause, and/or they are completely guessing. AND, the dipshits at the CDC have no universal definition of a Covid19 death:
"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. "

[/FONT]The official position of the CDC is to report deaths as Covid19, even for cases where there is NO FUCKING TEST DONE, and the physicians think it
"might be" or "could be" : [FONT=&quot]Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]The answer is:

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[FONT=&quot]“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.” [Boldfacing in original]

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festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made. (See “Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated,” YouTube, April 6)

Why should anyone care how a certificate of death is made?
Everyone should care “today when governments are making massive changes that affect our constitutional rights and those changes are based on inaccurate statistics,” Bukacek says.
The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.
More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.

This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.
Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death.

Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.”
“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”
There is a question-and-answer section on the memo.

One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?”
The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”
Another question is, “Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”

The answer is:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.” [Boldfacing in original]

“You could see how these statistics have been made to look really scary when it is so easy to add false numbers to the official database,” Bukacek says. “Those false numbers are sanctioned by the CDC.”
“The real number of COVID-19 deaths are not what most people are told and what they then think,” she says.
“How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess … but based on how death certificates are being filled out, you can be certain the number is substantially lower than what we are being told. Based on inaccurate, incomplete data people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing cherished freedoms.”

It’s hard to argue with what Dr. Bukacek says, but no doubt angry social media mobs will find a way as her chilling words enlighten the populace that has been bullied into submission.
Of course, the disease’s body count is not the sole concern we should have about the Chinese contagion, but it is undeniably the primary driver of the rampant mass hysteria that has allowed state and local governments across America to crush our cherished civil liberties.

As they say in newsrooms: if it bleeds, it leads. Deaths are always going to be more “sexy” than confirmed cases. It is the number that really, really counts, and Americans know this.
The fraudulent death statistics also give ammunition to the legions of snitches and scolds who try to shame their fellow Americans for attending church or playing catch in an empty park or taking a harmless drive in the countryside to prevent themselves from going stir-crazy.
The fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results, even with a plague that is, so far at least, underperforming.

First, experts told us 2.2 million Americans would die. Then the number fell off a cliff, plunging down to around 200,000.
As of April 8, the number of those expected to die from the disease by August 4 was down to 60,000, or roughly a very nasty flu season. The new figure comes from the influential model produced by the University of Washington that the White House regularly cites.
Has social-distancing, wearing face masks, hosing down packages with bleach, using hand sanitizer that is at least 60 percent alcohol, and washing hands with soap and water for a minimum of 20 seconds helped bring the grim worst-case-scenario body count down?

Probably, I’m guessing, but it’s hard to know for sure.
Maybe those epidemiological modelers can be forgiven for scaring the bejeezus out of Americans. Epidemiology is not, after all, an exact science, as its practitioners sometimes acknowledge.
But those who have force-fed modelers skewed data that led to the terrifying death forecasts that stampeded governors into pushing the nation down the road to totalitarianism need to be held to account.
Let the investigations begin.

michael777 · Apr 10, 2020

MobTroll, MangoTroll Mr Troll it All

Enfuego · Apr 10, 2020

Been saying it for weeks now FZ. Was called a liar.

Hit your head and die but were asymptomatic for COVID? It is classified as a COVID related death. Fraudulent reporting and disingenuous.

I found out during this pandemic you can provide a cause of death without an autopsy lol. And, a governor can announce a cause of death without an autopsy and without a medical license haha.

SheriffJoe · Apr 10, 2020

michael777 said:
MobTroll, MangoTroll Mr Troll it All

Excellent

festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

[h=1]<yt-formatted-string force-default-style="" class="style-scope ytd-video-primary-info-renderer" style="word-break: break-word;">Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated</yt-formatted-string>[/h]
Dr. Bukacek is a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job.

REDEYE · Apr 10, 2020

Lets face it.. This Chinese virus will be weaponized with everything the libs got. Not any different than the Russian Collusion narrative or Ukraine phone call..

The Chinese Communist have to love how the media and the libs have taken the baton and ran with it

festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

Enfuego said:
Been saying it for weeks now FZ. Was called a liar.

Hit your head and die but were asymptomatic for COVID? It is classified as a COVID related death. Fraudulent reporting and disingenuous.

I found out during this pandemic you can provide a cause of death without an autopsy lol. And, a governor can announce a cause of death without an autopsy and without a medical license haha.

You were treated unfairly. Though, I still think some on the "right" were pooh-poohing Covid19 as just being another flu. I think that was a mistake, as it clearly is way more contagious than the flu. That being said, the trolls in here (MobTroll, MangoTroll, Mr Troll-it-all...) who love seeing our country shut down and want this thing to kill as many people as possible, so they can blame orange-man, clearly don't want to hear about death counts being massively distorted, it doesn't fit their narrative - and guys like MobTroll don't have a job, a career, or a life - he just sits in mis mommies basement, so he doesn't care how long the country is shut down. That, and those guys are just not very bright.

soli · Apr 10, 2020

Enfuego said:
Been saying it for weeks now FZ. Was called a liar.

Hit your head and die but were asymptomatic for COVID? It is classified as a COVID related death. Fraudulent reporting and disingenuous.

I found out during this pandemic you can provide a cause of death without an autopsy lol. And, a governor can announce a cause of death without an autopsy and without a medical license haha.

Why nobody answered Mob questions?

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04-10-2020, 08:13 AM

I will propose a question nobody will be able to answer.

Why do you guys say they are including everything as a corona death? Like if someone is in hospice and dies from corona, right... why do you guys say it shouldn’t count? Because you want to go back to work? I understand but that’s not fair. Let me ask this....for annual flu average deaths and for the swine flu or for the Spanish flu or for whatever flu you want to compare this to....are you going through those and excluding everyone with preexisting health conditions? No. Are you excluding everyone who has died in hospice? No.

Then shut the fuck up. Thank you.

bilbal · Apr 10, 2020

The CDC has mandated that symptoms are enough to call it a Covid19 death, no testing required. Did he have a cough? Yes. Count it! But he wasn't tested?? COUNT IT!! Terminal cancer patients are now dying of "Covid19" not cancer. It's like a terminal brain cancer patient dying in a car accident and the CDC says "count that as brain cancer." Heart attacks are now listed as Covid19, heart disease, Covid19. 92 year old diabetic, Covid19. All of these death rates (including natural causes) are going to fall as "Covid19" deaths increase. The death rate of "Covid19 only" caused deaths is .9%, that means with 17,000 "related" deaths we've shut down our economy over 150 "Covid19 only" deaths. We have been hoaxed and summarily fleeced, by the trillions, over this. The climate change charlatans must be stunned how quickly and easily this hoaxing/fleecing was able to happen as they have been trying to do this since the 50s and we refused to fall for it. Democrats are already trying to scare us into using mail in (ballot harvesting) measures to ensure our safety, and Joe Biden will, somehow, collect 150,000,000 votes, sweeping every state in the union.

festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

BTW, that second post was from American Thinker:

https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ses_to_lying_about_covid19_death_numbers.html

Enfuego · Apr 10, 2020

festeringZit said:
<yt-formatted-string force-default-style="" class="style-scope ytd-video-primary-info-renderer" style="word-break: break-word;">Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID 19 death certificates are being manipulated</yt-formatted-string>

Dr. Bukacek is a longtime Montana physician with over 30 years' experience practicing medicine. Signing death certificates is a routine part of her job.

She said "the cause of death can be classified as COVID-19 even without testing."

Not joking gents.

rolltide · Apr 10, 2020

chasing that green...and case loads will now explode as we get into asthma and allergy season. symptoms baby, symptoms

SheriffJoe · Apr 10, 2020

Anecdotal but very relevant:

Albatross said:
I just had a distant uncle die. He was eat up with cancer. On his last 6 month leg of a 12 month life expectancy. Caught the chinese flu.

Cause of death......chinese flu......lol

Enfuego · Apr 10, 2020

festeringZit said:
You were treated unfairly. Though, I still think some on the "right" were pooh-poohing Covid19 as just being another flu. I think that was a mistake, as it clearly is way more contagious than the flu. That being said, the trolls in here (MobTroll, MangoTroll, Mr Troll-it-all...) who love seeing our country shut down and want this thing to kill as many people as possible, so they can blame orange-man, clearly don't want to hear about death counts being massively distorted, it doesn't fit their narrative - and guys like MobTroll don't have a job, a career, or a life - he just sits in mis mommies basement, so he doesn't care how long the country is shut down. That, and those guys are just not very bright.

I agree FZ. My assertion COVID-19 was like the flu was wrong.

But my assertion this thing was overhyped by the press and the death numbers were being distorted to fit a narrative is absolutely spot on.

festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

Enfuego said:
I agree FZ. My assertion COVID-19 was like the flu was wrong.

But my assertion this thing was overhyped by the press and the death numbers were being distorted to fit a narrative is absolutely spot on.

Yup, we're totally on the same page 100%.

PatsFan1283 · Apr 10, 2020

festeringZit said:
You were treated unfairly. Though, I still think some on the "right" were pooh-poohing Covid19 as just being another flu. I think that was a mistake, as it clearly is way more contagious than the flu. That being said, the trolls in here (MobTroll, MangoTroll, Mr Troll-it-all...) who love seeing our country shut down and want this thing to kill as many people as possible, so they can blame orange-man, clearly don't want to hear about death counts being massively distorted, it doesn't fit their narrative - and guys like MobTroll don't have a job, a career, or a life - he just sits in mis mommies basement, so he doesn't care how long the country is shut down. That, and those guys are just not very bright.

Lol he’s lying

Enfuego · Apr 10, 2020

soli said:
Why nobody answered Mob questions?

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04-10-2020, 08:13 AM
I will propose a question nobody will be able to answer.

Why do you guys say they are including everything as a corona death? Like if someone is in hospice and dies from corona, right... why do you guys say it shouldn’t count? Because you want to go back to work? I understand but that’s not fair. Let me ask this....for annual flu average deaths and for the swine flu or for the Spanish flu or for whatever flu you want to compare this to....are you going through those and excluding everyone with preexisting health conditions? No. Are you excluding everyone who has died in hospice? No.

Then shut the fuck up. Thank you.

Because I have him on ignore Soli but since you quoted him, I'll answer.

1) Why do you guys say they are including everything as a corona death? Because Dr. Birx said they are on national television during the corona task force update.

2) I've never compared this to the Spanish Flu. That's asinine since we've come so far in regards to medicine now.

3) Are we excluding everyone who died in hospice? No, someone who dies in hospice and was asymptomatic for COVID is classified as a covid related death.

festeringZit · Apr 10, 2020

Enfuego said:
Because I have him on ignore Soli but since you quoted him, I'll answer.

1) Why do you guys say they are including everything as a corona death? Because Dr. Birx said they are on national television during the corona task force update.

2) I've never compared this to the Spanish Flu. That's asinine since we've come so far in regards to medicine now.

3) Are we excluding everyone who died in hospice? No, someone who dies in hospice and was asymptomatic for COVID is classified as a covid related death.

I have MobTroll on ignore as well, he's gone way past deserving anyone responding to his posts.

Enfuego · Apr 10, 2020

festeringZit said:
I have MobTroll on ignore as well, he's gone way past deserving anyone responding to his posts.

If he can have an intelligent conversation, no problem. That's not the case.

NEWS for the Brainless Lemmings in here. <---- ALL the Covid19 death counts are LIES

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