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[FONT=&quot]SORRY TO BE POSTING THIS AS I DONT WANT TO BE "THAT GUY" BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT TOPICAL IN WHAT HE HAVE POSTED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST WITH PERCENTAGES.

SEEMS LIKE FLORIDA HAS BEEN MAKING MISTAKES

IF THE SAME PERSON TESTED POSITIVE THE FIRST TIME AND THEN POSITIVE AGAIN, FLORIDA ONLY COUNTS IT AS 1 POSITIVE TEST SO YOU ARE 1 FOR 1

IF THE SAME PERSON TESTS NEGATIVE AND THEN NEGATIVE AGAIN, FLORIDA COUNTS IT AS 2 NEGATIVE TESTS OR 0 FOR 2

OUR NUMBERS HAVE BEEN SKEWED WHICH ISNT GOOD


Florida might be minimizing the depth of its COVID-19 problem by underreporting its rate of positive tests, experts say.

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[FONT=&quot]The method used to calculate the “positivity rate” — a critical measure of the pandemic’s progression — puts more emphasis on negative tests, skewing the results in that direction.


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A person who tests positive is counted only once, but negative tests can be counted repeatedly if the same person got more than one test.

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[FONT=&quot]In addition, just as the pandemic raced out of control this month, the state changed the formula. It now mixes two different types of tests, including one that produces more false negative results.

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[FONT=&quot]The upshot of both factors is that the rate of positive tests, as quoted by the state, could make the situation look significantly better than it is, experts say.

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[FONT=&quot]How much the rate would change, if calculated differently, is impossible to know because the state refuses to release key pieces of raw data.

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[FONT=&quot]“There is a peculiar odor around the data in Florida and there has been for some time,” said Dr. William Hanage, associate professor of epidemiology at Harvard’s T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

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[FONT=&quot]CORONAVIRUS IN FLORIDA: These are the numbers to watch »
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[FONT=&quot]Olivier Lacan, a volunteer for the COVID Tracking Project, which has followed data across the country, said Florida’s lack of transparency is fueling distrust.

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[FONT=&quot]“The right wing is saying the numbers can’t be trusted; the left is saying the numbers might be higher. Just show the math!” he said.

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[FONT=&quot]Governor Ron DeSantis frequently cites the positivity rate to justify reopening schools and businesses. He tweeted the statistic 12 times between late April and the end of May. He last tweeted the figure on May 26, but he has highlighted it during several news conferences.

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[FONT=&quot]Recently, his spokeswoman, Helen Aguirre-Ferré, has tweeted the statistic twice, pointing to a four-day-long decline in the measure as a silver lining in Florida’s looming pandemic thundercloud. That trend reversed on Monday.

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]How it’s calculated[/h]
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[FONT=&quot]Here’s how state officials say the positivity rate is calculated:

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[FONT=&quot]“We only count the positive test once,” Alina Alonso, the head of the Palm Beach County Department of Health, told Palm Beach County commissioners on July 7.

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[FONT=&quot]“We do count the negative tests more than once because there are reasons for people testing negative and getting multiple test results. But the positives by name are only captured once,” she said.

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[FONT=&quot]That means that the same person with multiple negative tests can be counted several times.

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[FONT=&quot]That’s fine for the day-to-day positivity rate, said Jason Salemi, associate professor of epidemiology at the University of South Florida’s College of Public Health, but a problem arises when you try to calculate an average over a series of days from the daily statistic.

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[FONT=&quot]“If the same people are testing negative and getting reported over and over … well, the results could be quite different from a true person-level analysis,” he said.

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[FONT=&quot]The number of people being retested on a daily basis is potentially very large, Lacan said.

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[FONT=&quot]On Tuesday, he estimates that at least 21,000 of the day’s approximately 53,700 negative tests were likely retests, since 45,753 people were tested for the first time that day, but about 67,000 tests were reported.

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[FONT=&quot]Some 12,290 people tested positive for the virus, according to results released that day.

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[FONT=&quot]Aguirre-Ferré acknowledged May 22 that the government was counting only people who tested positive once, but made no mention of negative tests in her statement.

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[FONT=&quot]Late Wednesday evening, Alberto Moscoso, the spokesman for the Florida Department of Health, said the state counts multiple negative tests for the same person because “a negative test only reflects the individual’s status at the moment the specimen was collected. Since a person who tested negative previously remains susceptible to the virus, the subsequent test is still included in the denominator of the positivity rate calculation.”

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[FONT=&quot][h=3]Combining tests[/h]
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[FONT=&quot]Experts say the state’s decision July 1 to include Antigen tests in their count made the situation even more murky.

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[FONT=&quot]Before then, the state had published results for PCR tests only. PCR tests are the “gold standard” of virus tests, since they detect pieces of the virus genetic material with a high degree of accuracy. But they can be slow to process.

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[FONT=&quot]Antigen tests, which instead look for specific proteins on the exterior of the virus, are much faster to process. However, they are significantly less accurate. One popular test, produced by Quidel, a pharmaceutical company, takes as little as 15 minutes but can miss up to 20% of positive infections.

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[FONT=&quot]Combining the two types of tests into one statistic could drive down the positivity rate, since a significant number of Antigen tests may be false negatives.

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[FONT=&quot]“Do not combine those cases, just don’t,” said Hanage, the associate professor at Harvard. “That’s lunatic. If that’s the case in Florida, people should be up in arms.”

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[FONT=&quot]It is unclear how many antigen tests the state has performed since July 1. The state does not disclose this figure in its daily reports and has not responded to questions about the number of tests performed.

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[FONT=&quot]Dr. Amira Roess, professor of Global Health and Epidemiology at George Mason University, said that no matter how the data gets parsed, the conclusion right now is pretty clear.

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[FONT=&quot]“The bottom line is that their percent positivity is high, and it keeps going high,” she said. “Florida’s hospitalization is getting very close to hitting capacity in some cities. It’s very clear that they’ve got a COVID hot spot.”

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a local news station in florida already exposed hospitals giving out 100% positive test rates. when the news investigator checked it out the real percentages were around 9%.

this looks like one of those "fake news" stories to try to counter and cover up what really is happening. a common media trick to fool sheep.
 

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Looks like numbers are jacked all over the place
 
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Looks like numbers are jacked all over the place

I thought of you when i posted this thread.

Didnt want to be "that guy" who's starting a COVID thread but felt this was an important topic.

Hope the kangaroo court gives me a pass :)
 

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Crazy because opposite stories on that also. I have one that says 0 have died from Covid itself. Lol
 

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The State of Texas today had to remove 3,484 cases from its Covid-19 positive case count, because the San Antonio Health Department was reporting “probable” cases for people never actually tested, as “confirmed” positive cases.- TDHSWhat other departments make this same mistake?
 

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The State of Texas today had to remove 3,484 cases from its Covid-19 positive case count, because the San Antonio Health Department was reporting “probable” cases for people never actually tested, as “confirmed” positive cases.- TDHSWhat other departments make this same mistake?

every communist run big city in the country.
 

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Miami - dade is maybe the most corrupt place in the nation. Remember AlGore getting 90% of suddenly found dade ballots? He even conceded knowing what happened was impossible. We all know they are corrupting the numbers again. The media helping with this hospital overrun BS. How does a hospital get overrun if there are no deaths? You don't just get a hospital bed because you don't feel well. You're treated and sent on your way. Average age right now around 40.
 
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Miami - dade is maybe the most corrupt place in the nation. Remember AlGore getting 90% of suddenly found dade ballots? He even conceded knowing what happened was impossible. We all know they are corrupting the numbers again. The media helping with this hospital overrun BS. How does a hospital get overrun if there are no deaths? You don't just get a hospital bed because you don't feel well. You're treated and sent on your way. Average age right now around 40.

Hospitals are getting overrun as they are treating many patients. Many need beds for ventilators and for breathing assistance.

These are people of all ages. I have heard stories from about 6-7 people who work in hospitals who work in Broward County saying they are overrun. They have once again cancelled elective surgeries to make beds for COVID patients.

Have fun day drinking at the bar for the 2nd day in a row. Glad our government dollars are paying for those $3 miller lite pints!!
 
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This is all I needed to hear.

As for the bar... good friends. Good brew. Good convo. I know you wish you had it so good cheersgif

I do enjoy my drinking buddies. We always have good times!!

However, unless we're on vacation, we're usually WORKING Thursday afternoons at 3pm
 

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I do enjoy my drinking buddies. We always have good times!!

However, unless we're on vacation, we're usually WORKING Thursday afternoons at 3pm

well we are not. Enjoy slaving for the man!:toast:
 

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I am the fucking man!!

So you can take off that dirty face shield and kiss my ass :)

i clank beers with many "men". it was a great day at the old place too bad you couldn't make it.
 

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Hospitals are getting overrun as they are treating many patients. Many need beds for ventilators and for breathing assistance.

These are people of all ages. I have heard stories from about 6-7 people who work in hospitals who work in Broward County saying they are overrun. They have once again cancelled elective surgeries to make beds for COVID patients.

Have fun day drinking at the bar for the 2nd day in a row. Glad our government dollars are paying for those $3 miller lite pints!!

I guess you want to kill people as if you put them on a vent. you are almost guaranteeing their death.
Vents are the worst thing to do for a Covid patient, that is unless you want the extra money from the government for using a vent, otherwise do not put
people on one as it will blow their lungs out and they are going to die

You really need to educate yourself
 

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I thought of you when i posted this thread.

Didnt want to be "that guy" who's starting a COVID thread but felt this was an important topic.

Hope the kangaroo court gives me a pass :)

Anyone can express their opinion, I'm all about freedom of speech

Now if you start 5 or more threads like this per day for the next 4 months, then I'm going to tell you to STFU
 

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@knightrofins hope you and your friends and family are doing well in SoFla. I know 2 people in Jax that have tested positive. Both in their 30's and both got very sick but recovered after a few weeks.

Not that anyone will believe me but I have a pretty good source telling me they considering no sec football. Don't want to mention the school but it's a team doctor saying their team is experiencing a bad outbreak and it hasn't been made public
 

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BREAKING: According to a local city mayor, Broward County has passed an order to limit how many people can be in YOUR HOME!
 

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