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The Eagles opened at -3 and now are -4 at Olympic. This is some serious disrespect for the defending Super Bowl champs.

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Ridiculous really Lou....Eagles will be playing in a new, unfamiliar stadium, without their leading sack~man (Hugh Douglas)..without their leading tackler (Shawn Barber) and without their playmaker on special teams (Brian Mithcell).....not to mention others.....

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agree with both
value with tampa+4

kind of gives tampa the underdog, disrespectful edge even thouh it was philly who lost

tampas defence is going to be mighty pissed
 
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New house,revenge factor form last year,every team gets a hard on to knock off the super bowl champs,monday nite home team in which monday nite home teams win 75% of the time straight up and betting against last years super bowl winner in week 1 since 1985 ATS is 12-5......

Why should we bet the Bandits because they dominated a weak Philly team last year in the playoffs or because you like Tampa.Or should we bet Philly because they pissed all over Tampa in the regular season game?
 

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johnnie, your right about Philly playing in a "new house", and it will be "new" to them also. It's still up in the air how the Eagles will respond in this new stadium, it may be and advantage, or just the opposite....Second, it definitely wasnt a "weak" Philly team Tampa beat in the playoffs.....Third, the regular season game was early in the season when the Bucs were still learning Gruden's system and they proved that by getting better and better as the year went on, as the Raiders found out. And finally, Lou doesn't "like" the Bucs!...
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agree,

philly was a verygood team last year.

if they couldnt win on the last game of veterans stadium and possibly their biggest game in 20 years. i dont see too big of advantage where both teams are 0-0 in the new stadium
 

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Reid coached one of the all-time worst playoff games that I have ever seen in that game. Philly could have put TB away early, but he made numerous critical errors and coached "not to lose", instead of putting it all on the line for the victory. Just my opinion, but I feel the books want TB action. It's still early, but there may be some better games out there for week one as far as wagering goes. The new stadium could be more of an advantage for Philly b/c TB will NEVER have been there before. I dont have #'s for new stadium games, but I admit to getting burned on the Texans/Cowboys game last year.
 

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I believe Tampa has a legitimate shot at making it back to the Super Bowl. Tampa +4 is the right side.

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That system you refer to is based in part on the defending champ being a large favorite in their first game the following season. No Super Bowl champ has been a 4 point dog in their first game for at least the last 20 years. Grab those points fatbob.

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Very good signs of the OLE TRAP play---"what I get the defending champs +4 points in week 1", sounds great,ok give me as much as I can bet on it.Suckers bet.......!
 

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I got to agree with Fat Johnnie here. Also ATX, as I also think there are better games out there in week 1, besides this game. I wouldn't touch touch this game with 20 point teaser.
 

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johnnie - Monday night home teams have won 61% of their games SU since 1983, not 75%. Also, SB dogs in week one are 2-2.

I'm not favoring TB here but just wanted to let you know the numbers you stated aren't quite as good when you look at them a little closer.
 

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What the hell 61% is still preety good for straight up.

And the 12-5 ATS playing against the super bowl champs does include the champs being a dog or favorite in week 1.

I still will lay it and forget! If the line goes to -5 its lay!
 

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The only one falling into a trap is you. Here's a little hint when it comes to wagering on "playoff revenge games" like the Bucs/Eagles. If the team that won the last time (Bucs) are underdogs in the rematch, take the points as you will come out ahead most of the time because the team that lost almost always plays not to lose the second time around instead of playing to win.

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I sat down last night and watched the NFC Championship game again between the Bucs and Eagles from last year and it was clear to me the Eagles were outcoached and outplayed in every aspect of the game except for special teams. (KR Brian Mitchell was the lone bright spot and now he's a New York Giant). Once they figured out it was time to stop kicking the ball deep they started squib kicking with excellent results. Tampa created mismatches against the Philly defense and moved the ball at will most of the game.

On the other hand, the Eagles played very conservatively until it was too late, and then the Buc defense took control of the game. Andy Reid, in the biggest game of his life, was clearly outcoached by Jon Gruden. Maybe part of it was because of McNabb still being a little rusty from the long layoff, I don't know. But when they needed to attack and take control of the game they didn't.

The main thing I want to address, and the reason why Philadelphia is not going to the Super Bowl this year, is their defense. They were a solid unit in 2001 but started to slip in the second half of last season. Anytime they lost it was usually the defense giving up big plays. And they let up a few big ones in that championship game (see Joe Jurivicius). Add in the fact they lost DE Hugh Douglas, a guy with an endless motor and a great locker room presence, LB's Shawn Barber & Barry Gardner and CB Al Harris, who was one of the best nickel backs in football in my opinion, and this team is going to give up more big plays in 2003.

So what does all this mean? Take the points when Tampa invades Lincoln Financial Field in Week One.

Big Lou
 

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