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  1. #1 Help me with these Ryder Cup lines please 
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    USA -210
    Europe +180
    I assume a draw is a push here; it is not a 3 way line, the draw/no draw is listed separately.
    If a draw is a loss here why wouldn't I bet USA -1/2 -180 instead?

    USA to lift the trophy -190
    How does this differ from USA -1/2 -180?

    Listed separately is:
    Ryder Cup (Draw No Bet)
    USA -230
    Europe +190

    So I'm trying to figure out why the differences between moneyline -210 and USA (draw no bet) -230
    If I bet the -210 I want to make sure I will not lose a draw
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    That first bet is a 2 way line .
    Draw is 100% push .

    Basically you have to decide if you want to pay the extra 30 cents to be protected from a push being a loss or you can do the -180 pay 30 cents less if you don’t think that protection is worth 30 cents
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    Took the draw at +1285 at Bookmaker last night.. Decent value since this event should be close.

    Morikawa top USA.... Thomas top USA
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    Lift the trophy is a odd one a draw Europe keeps the Cup
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    That first bet is a 2 way line .
    Draw is 100% push .

    Basically you have to decide if you want to pay the extra 30 cents to be protected from a push being a loss or you can do the -180 pay 30 cents less if you don’t think that protection is worth 30 cents
    Agreed and understood. Then why is this bet listed separately?

    Ryder Cup (Draw No Bet)
    USA -230
    Europe +190
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    Also the following 3 bets are all listed on Heritage

    In the props/futures section:
    USA to win the Ryder Cup -175

    In the golf section:
    USA to lift the Ryder Cup Trophy -190
    USA spread on Ryder Cup points -1/2 -180

    Just confusing there are 2-3 different lines on the exact same wagers.
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    How is the US favored
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieRay View Post
    How is the US favored
    Probably because the US has 10 of the top 13 world-ranked golfers on their team and Europe has 1
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    World Ranking is an outdated ranking.

    Rahm, Rory and Hovland are all top 10.

    USA is better on paper. I see them losing the first two matches on Friday and then see how they do when they are behind.

    Playing a super long course so lets sit Dechambeau (who is also one of the best putters on the team).

    My prediction is Spieth doesnt do well without Patrick Reed (record without Reed is terrible) I like Spieth too but he is a weak driver and not long. He is a perfect american Ryder Cup player.....nice guy in defeat.
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    The bottom half of the Euro team is their weakness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Star View Post
    World Ranking is an outdated ranking.

    Rahm, Rory and Hovland are all top 10.
    OK...ignoring OWGR who are the best 6 golfers in the world right now? How many of those are on the American team?
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    Rahm, Dechambeau, Cantlay, Louie, Xander, JT so 4. I think Rahm is clearly number one (although having a clear number one never helped us in the Tiger era) and the next 9 it would depend on the week and the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Star View Post
    Rahm, Dechambeau, Cantlay, Louie, Xander, JT so 4. I think Rahm is clearly number one (although having a clear number one never helped us in the Tiger era) and the next 9 it would depend on the week and the course.
    Agree Rahm clear #1
    Interesting rest of your list. Either way, US is definitely stronger on paper. Understand the recent history and the whole match play mystique of guys like Poulter and Sergio. I do like the US to prevail this year. Will be entertaining regardless!
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    Just don’t see it. Maybe they reach down and win it back
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    Bottom half of Euro is weak. Poulter is 45, Westwood is 48, Sergio is 41.....young guys should have them for lunch.

    The problem with the USA team is putting. There are a significant number of USA players that are not good putters. By not good I mean not even in the top 100 on tour. That could be the downfall. Example Justin Thomas 3rd in approach and 104th in putting. Morikawa 1st approach and 178th in putting. You putt different in match play scenario.

    I think Reed not on the team is an injustice. Getting treated like John Daly.
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    Rahm , Koepka , Morikawa , and Cantlay are the top 5 players right now.. 5th on down is anyone's guess.
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    Rahm had 2 covid cases a GI issue and MC last week. Na should have been on team, Reed hasnt played well
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    As a person I really like Spieth. He must have missed 5 or 6 makeable putts today that cost them the match against Rahm and Garcia.

    Who has played really well so far? I would say Morikawa has been very impressive, Xander and Cantalay have played great. On the Euro side for sure Hovland (seems like a great guy too) and of course Rahm.

    Who has played bad? I would say for the americans Berger and Spieth. On the Euro side Rory and Casey have way underperformed, I think Rahm carried Sergio, Poulter was a none factor.

    For Sunday I definitely will play against the cold Euros. Waiting to see the match ups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Star View Post
    As a person I really like Spieth. He must have missed 5 or 6 makeable putts today that cost them the match against Rahm and Garcia.

    Who has played really well so far? I would say Morikawa has been very impressive, Xander and Cantalay have played great. On the Euro side for sure Hovland (seems like a great guy too) and of course Rahm.

    Who has played bad? I would say for the americans Berger and Spieth. On the Euro side Rory and Casey have way underperformed, I think Rahm carried Sergio, Poulter was a none factor.

    For Sunday I definitely will play against the cold Euros. Waiting to see the match ups.
    DJ has played well too.

    Tomorrow I'm on Xander, DJ, English (fading Westwood), and Fleetwood (fading Spieth)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Star View Post
    The bottom half of the Euro team is their weakness.
    It's not just the bottom, the US is just better all the way through with the sole exception of Rahm.
    Forget OWGR...they are favored in 11 of the 12 singles matches tomorrow.

    I mean, after Rahm and Hovland who has been their 3rd most valuable?

    Lowry? Fleetwood? Sergio? Every single player on the US team is better than those 3.
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    Playing Xander, Cantalay, Dechambeau, Finau and English. (smaller plays DJ & Koepka).

    Euros future right now is not very good. Rahm and Hovland have looked good but then there is nothing after that. USA has a bunch of solid young guys like Xander and Morikawa (love he switched his putting grip).
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    I agree DJ played well too. I was a little surprised how often he was one of the shorter guys in his group off the tee. I looked at his stats and he was still 12th in PGA in driving distance.
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