Although I was on the Marlins ML last night, this is complete bulls**t. It's not the guys fault that the cubbies gave up 8 runs in the inning and tanked the game. Anybody sitting in that seat would have done the same thing, so they just need to quit whining and get ready to kick some ass in game 7. GL Players
it's a natural reaction, ya know how seldom a ball comes in your vicinity?
the kid had headphones on too, so he mightn't have been overly aware of alou being nearby.
listening to the game i imagine.
"oh and the hit is popped foul headed to the seats . . ."
blame the rich, trained shortstop a-gon. not some kid.
the kid had headphones on too, so he mightn't have been overly aware of alou being nearby.
listening to the game i imagine.
"oh and the hit is popped foul headed to the seats . . ."
blame the rich, trained shortstop a-gon. not some kid.
Any fan at the park would have done the same thing. Unfortunately, nobody would admit to it.
It's not the fans fault....why not blame Dusty Baker for leaving Prior in to pitch 116 pitches in his last start when he had a 11-0 lead (maybe Prior tired in the eighth), or Alex Gonzalez for botching the double play, or Prior for walking Castillo, or Dusty Baker for walking Lowell to put another potential run on the bases, or the intentional walk to Hollandsworth, (hell, there's 2 runs that scored right there!).
Flat out, the Marlins put the ball in play and made there own breaks.
KMAN
It's not the fans fault....why not blame Dusty Baker for leaving Prior in to pitch 116 pitches in his last start when he had a 11-0 lead (maybe Prior tired in the eighth), or Alex Gonzalez for botching the double play, or Prior for walking Castillo, or Dusty Baker for walking Lowell to put another potential run on the bases, or the intentional walk to Hollandsworth, (hell, there's 2 runs that scored right there!).
Flat out, the Marlins put the ball in play and made there own breaks.
KMAN
Been a Cub Fan since the 70's. Hate to see this poor guy getting blamed for doing what 99% of the people would have done.
The Cubs need to sack up and take responsibility for the loss. Prior was visibly upset after the non catch. Dusty should have made a trip to the mound to talk to him and calm him down. As K-man said, the fan did not lose Castillo on a 3-2 pitch or grove one to Rodriguez on an 0-2 pitch. Nor did he make Gonzalez drop the ball at short. I would rag on Dusty for leaving Prior in too long but you see what they got when the yanked him...Farnsworth serving up batting practice.
A team who had been there before would have overcome the supposed fan interference.
One last note, the Yankees win it all, since they are the only team left that has a guy who can actually close a game. Cubs could have used him last night.
The Cubs need to sack up and take responsibility for the loss. Prior was visibly upset after the non catch. Dusty should have made a trip to the mound to talk to him and calm him down. As K-man said, the fan did not lose Castillo on a 3-2 pitch or grove one to Rodriguez on an 0-2 pitch. Nor did he make Gonzalez drop the ball at short. I would rag on Dusty for leaving Prior in too long but you see what they got when the yanked him...Farnsworth serving up batting practice.
A team who had been there before would have overcome the supposed fan interference.
One last note, the Yankees win it all, since they are the only team left that has a guy who can actually close a game. Cubs could have used him last night.
Check out this losers column from the Tribune.
WEDNESDAY, OCT 15, 2003
last updated at 7:26 a.m.
HENCEFORTH, "THE SNATCH"
Just how are we supposed to get any work done today, swarmed as we are by the twin albatrosses of last night's mythical Cubs' loss and tonight's potentially spectacularly disastrous game seven?
That Marlins' 8th inning reeked of history, of pitiful stories we will tell our children's children in 2045 during the centennial commemoration of the Cubs' last World Series appearance.
...in aught three, we were cruising along, five outs away from the World Series, when a fan snatched a pop-up from Moises Alou. After that, of course, the floodgates opened and the team's spirit was crushed....
The announcers and even some of the players who were saying "don't blame the fan" for Tuesday's defeat were guessing, at best.
You never know, of course, but the way I see it, if Alou catches that pop up, then we have two outs and Alex Gonzalez doesn't rush trying to get a double play on the ground ball two batters later, fields it cleanly, and and we're out of the inning still leading 3-1.
(Speaking of which, if there's one person in all of Cubdom who's secretly grateful to the foul-snatching fan, it's gotta be Gonzalez, whose horrifying bobble is now just a footnote and not a new chapter in team history.)
And when they excuse the fan by saying, as pitcher Mark Prior did after the game, that "99 percent of the people" would have done the same thing, reaching out for a foul ball that close to the field of play, they're simply wrong.
Most fans, good fans, smart fans know to lean out of the way--scurry if possible -- when a guy from their team is running toward the seats with a bead on a foul fly.
And here's the doubly mortifying allegation from an S-T story this morning:
"In the section where the ball fell....Pat Looney, 34, of the Northwest Side said... the (grabby fan) already had a ball from earlier in the game when Alou tossed one into the stands."
If the Cubs lose game seven tonight, their fans will never forget and never forgive.
It sounds ridiculous and petty, but it's probably true that this young man will almost certainly have to leave town and start again elsewhere if he wants some semblance of a normal life.
If the Cubs win, he'll be OK, a footnote himself, just that knucklehead who kept us all on edge for an extra 24 hours.
Not for his sake but for the sake of everyone who'll otherwise spend the rest of their lives including him in their mutterings about goats, black cats and Leon Durham, I hope it all turns into a jolly anecdote:
...we thought the players would crumble under the demoralizing weight of it all, but, by golly, the next night....
KMAN
WEDNESDAY, OCT 15, 2003
last updated at 7:26 a.m.
HENCEFORTH, "THE SNATCH"
Just how are we supposed to get any work done today, swarmed as we are by the twin albatrosses of last night's mythical Cubs' loss and tonight's potentially spectacularly disastrous game seven?
That Marlins' 8th inning reeked of history, of pitiful stories we will tell our children's children in 2045 during the centennial commemoration of the Cubs' last World Series appearance.
...in aught three, we were cruising along, five outs away from the World Series, when a fan snatched a pop-up from Moises Alou. After that, of course, the floodgates opened and the team's spirit was crushed....
The announcers and even some of the players who were saying "don't blame the fan" for Tuesday's defeat were guessing, at best.
You never know, of course, but the way I see it, if Alou catches that pop up, then we have two outs and Alex Gonzalez doesn't rush trying to get a double play on the ground ball two batters later, fields it cleanly, and and we're out of the inning still leading 3-1.
(Speaking of which, if there's one person in all of Cubdom who's secretly grateful to the foul-snatching fan, it's gotta be Gonzalez, whose horrifying bobble is now just a footnote and not a new chapter in team history.)
And when they excuse the fan by saying, as pitcher Mark Prior did after the game, that "99 percent of the people" would have done the same thing, reaching out for a foul ball that close to the field of play, they're simply wrong.
Most fans, good fans, smart fans know to lean out of the way--scurry if possible -- when a guy from their team is running toward the seats with a bead on a foul fly.
And here's the doubly mortifying allegation from an S-T story this morning:
"In the section where the ball fell....Pat Looney, 34, of the Northwest Side said... the (grabby fan) already had a ball from earlier in the game when Alou tossed one into the stands."
If the Cubs lose game seven tonight, their fans will never forget and never forgive.
It sounds ridiculous and petty, but it's probably true that this young man will almost certainly have to leave town and start again elsewhere if he wants some semblance of a normal life.
If the Cubs win, he'll be OK, a footnote himself, just that knucklehead who kept us all on edge for an extra 24 hours.
Not for his sake but for the sake of everyone who'll otherwise spend the rest of their lives including him in their mutterings about goats, black cats and Leon Durham, I hope it all turns into a jolly anecdote:
...we thought the players would crumble under the demoralizing weight of it all, but, by golly, the next night....
KMAN
I despise the media! These dildos publish crap all the time without thinking how it will affect people. They could help just brush this whole thing under the rug. But instead they see an opportunity to cash in on a novice fan's misfortune. D*CKS! Alex Gonzalez's error a "footnote"??? C'mon now.
-DP-
The Chicago Tribune writer name is Eric Zorn and his email address is ericzorn@aol.com.
Email this dickhead......But then again he may be doing it just to get attention.
KMAN
Email this dickhead......But then again he may be doing it just to get attention.
KMAN
This Series reminds me of the 1985 World Series...the Cardinals thought they had it in the bag up three games to 1 and their two best pitchers going Game 6 and Game 7. Denkinger then made his call, and the Cardinals melted away like ice in hell. Granted Mark Redmond is no Bret Saberhagen, but it wouldn't shock me to see a thumping put on the Cubbies like the Royals did to the Cards in Game 7.
Cub fans better pray that Kerry Wood can handle pressure.
Cub fans better pray that Kerry Wood can handle pressure.
Screw thev curse, Baker should have taken Prior out, ther is no curse, the red sox refuse to take pitches same as the cubs, Torre does not wait to go to his bull pen, Little waited one batter before yanking Lowe who gave up a run Baker waited 3 batters before taking out Prior, did he think he was going to have a complete game, no one has one anymore, and with runners on first and second no one out bunt in the late innings even if your big hitter is up, Jeter would have bunted.
