Win totals

Mr.Misanthrope · Feb 18, 2004

Olympic posted win totals today. Here they are for anyone who cant wait for the regular season to start.

ANAHEIM 91 under -20

ARIZONA 82 1/2 over -20

ATLANTA 85 1/2 over -20

BALTIMORE 82

BOSTON 96 1/2 over -25

CUBS 92

WHITE SOX 82 1/2

CINCINNATI 72 1/2 under -20

CLEVELAND 74 1/2 under -20

COLORADO 73 1/2

DETROIT 67 under -20

FLORIDA 80

HOUSTON 90 1/2 over -20

KC 80

LA 83

MILWAUKEE 66 1/2

MINNESOTA 85 1/2 over -20

MONTREAL 73 1/2 under -20

METS 81 1/2

YANKEES 99 1/2 over -25

OAKLAND 89

PHILADELPHIA 92

PITTSBURGH 66 1/2 over -20

SAN DIEGO 85

SAN FRANCISCO 83 1/2 over -20

SEATTLE 88 1/2

ST LOUIS 84 1/2 over -20

TAMPA BAY 69 1/2 under -20

TEXAS 71 1/2 over -20

TORONTO 82 1/2

FairWarning · Feb 19, 2004

I like the Baltimore under, Toronto over, Cleveland over, Boston under, Cubs over.

The KC number looks like a big trap to me. I loved the over but I expected it to be higher.

captain#5 · Feb 26, 2004

Some of these #'s just don't make sense.

Cubs 92?

Baltimore 82

KC 80.

I did not do my #'s yet, but these numbers seem way to HIGH

blueedwards · Feb 26, 2004

captain...agree on the first two you listed as being too high.

bulldog77 · Feb 26, 2004

Capt and Blue:
WWTS just put up win totals and has Cubs at 94(under-110) and Yanks at 102(-115 either way). Looks like they are really begging for money against public teams or money on public teams at unusually high numbers.

bulldog77 · Feb 26, 2004

By the way. Anybody have an opinion on wisdom of going over 99.5(-110OLY) and under 102(-115)
at WWTS. Is it worth tying up that money that long for nice middle op.?

blueedwards · Feb 26, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bulldog77:
Capt and Blue:
WWTS just put up win totals and has Cubs at 94(under-110) and Yanks at 102(-115 either way). Looks like they are really begging for money against public teams or money on public teams at unusually high numbers.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bulldog, thanks...just moved money over to wwts and pounded the cubs under.

regarding the middle...i wouldn't do it unless you can get four or five games different. i did it in 2002 with the astros. got over 83 at heritage for $500 and under 89 at cris for $500. it came in...i think they won 86 or 87 games.

i would take the yanks over 99.5...if its close you can bet against the yanks in october. you'll almost certainly be getting odds.

bulldog77 · Feb 26, 2004

That number with Cubs got me too. Put a decent sized play on under Cubs as well as over Yanks at Olympic. Good reasoning on not middling there, Blue. GL

barman · Feb 26, 2004

Giants Over 83 and Padres Undah 85 seem quite solid to me. Also Little Rangers Over 72 as we believe the Soriano swap will result in minimal reduction for their lineup.

BUT best in our humble opinion is Tampa Bay Over 69.

I've watched the Great Game of Baseball rather intently for the past 35 years now and this team is a .500 club.

Probably not much more, given 38 games vs Bos and NY. But their offense is improved. Their defense is improved. Their starting pitching will be the best in short seven year history. And the bullpen will be 5-6 excellent arms. Whether they can find a hammer closer or not remains to be seen.

It would take a major collapse by at least 2 key players for this team to not push .500.

As noted in another thread, it still leaves you 20 games out of first, but then check em out in 2005 when management loosens up the 30 million buck payroll and goes to say, FORTY FIVE million. Yeah, laugh. But that's a .500 team getting 2-3 solid fresh free agents to fill in whatever the 3 weakest links of the 2004 season need help.

Look for this year's team to finish in top half (seven) of league in both offense and pitching.

Not likely higher than 5th in either. But again, barring major dump, also not likely they finish in bottom third for both, as their history has been to date.

GLTA with any and all future plays

blueedwards · Feb 29, 2004

you can get the d-rays at 68.5 at cris.

KMAN · Mar 2, 2004

In my opinion....The D Rays are going to have a very tough year....Not because they are a bad team but because look at the teams in their division. Yankees, Red Sox, Toronto, Baltimore. All of these teams greatly improved themselves in the off-season.

Check out these potential lineups.

NEW YORK YANKEES
No. Player Position
1. Kenny Lofton CF
2. Derek Jeter SS
3. Alex Rodriguez 3B
4. Jason Giambi 1B
5. Gary Sheffield RF
6. Bernie Williams DH
7. Hideki Matsui LF
8. Jorge Posada C
9. Enrique Wilson 2B

BALTIMORE ORIOLES
No. Player Position
1. Jerry Hairston 2B
2. Melvin Mora 3B
3. Miguel Tejada SS
4. Rafael Palmeiro 1B
5. Javy Lopez C
6. Jay Gibbons RF
7. Larry Bigbie LF
8. Luis Matos CF
9. Jack Cust DH

BOSTON RED SOX
No. Player Position
1. Johnny Damon CF
2. Bill Mueller 3B
3. Nomar Garciaparra SS
4. Manny Ramirez LF
5. David Ortiz DH
6. Kevin Millar 1B
7. Trot Nixon RF
8. Pokey Reese 2B
9. Jason Varitek C

TORONTO BLUE JAYS
No. Player Position
1. Reed Johnson RF
2. Eric Hinske 3B
3. Vernon Wells CF
4. Carlos Delgado 1B
5. Josh Phelps DH
6. Frank Catalanotto LF
7. Orlando Hudson 2B
8. Chris Woodward SS
9. Greg Myers C

TAMPA BAY DEVIL RAYS
No. Player Position
1. Carl Crawford LF
2. Julio Lugo SS
3. Rocco Baldelli CF
4. Aubrey Huff DH
5. Jose Cruz Jr. RF
6. Tino Martinez 1B
7. Geoff Blum 3B
8. Toby Hall C
9. Rey Sanchez 2B

I would take any other lineup over the D Rays. If you look at the pitching staffs I think Baltimore and Tampa are at the bottom of the division here.

If you put them in any other division I would agree with you but the AL East is TOUGH!!!

Good Luck,
KMAN

bulldog77 · Mar 2, 2004

Not sure whether I'm sold on D'Rays, but if you are going over on them Guardian has them over68Even right now.
I like their under 86 on Giants at -110. Excellent value there.

captain#5 · Mar 2, 2004

Barman, be careful, Texas has not gone oVER the total since President Carter was in office.

Mr.Misanthrope · Mar 3, 2004

The Dodgers will have to play 190 games to win win more than 82 1/2. They did absolutely nothing during the off-season to improve and unlike the rich Latino that bought the Angels, their new owner doesn't have a pot to piss in.

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