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With Ortiz out all week this week and the team on the road I will be looking to fade the sox.

Tapma through wednesday and Detroit later in the week...

Lurch Hendrickson tonight vs Wake (lurch is maybe the weakest bet of the series because he faced the sox once as a starter this year and once in releif - and both times they were able to score off him (without help from Ortiz)

Bell/Schilling rematch tomorrow (ortiz factored in to 2 runs in the first meeting driving in one and scoring one himself),

And Arroyo/Halama On Wednesday (Halama faced the sox twice in relief (both on the same day in a double header) and walked in a run [after ortiz doubled with one man on then they intentionally walked manny])



Ortiz has proven important to this team and I think the chicken shit move they made to get these 3 turkeys and not a single pitcher is gonna send shockwaves through the team if they dont start picking things up...

Anyway:

posted this in the minny thread and I'm bringing it over here

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Ortiz drops suspension appeal
By Bob Hohler, Globe Staff | August 2, 2004

MINNEAPOLIS -- Playing their second game in the post-Nomar Garciaparra era, the Red Sox yesterday were missing another potent bat with David Ortiz out of the lineup. Ortiz decided before the game to begin serving his five-game suspension for a tirade in Anaheim, Calif., July 16 after it became clear Major League Baseball planned to reject his appeal.

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"What can I do?" Ortiz said. "I tried to get a game or two [taken off], but they didn't want to listen to me."

Ortiz spent more than two hours last week in Baltimore in a hearing with MLB officials arguing for a lighter suspension. But they apparently saw no reason for leniency. Ortiz, vehemently protesting a called third strike, pushed manager Terry Francona into plate umpire Matt Hollowell and tossed two bats from the dugout toward umpires Mark Carlson and Bill Hohn. He also was fined $4,000.

Rather than wait for an official ruling, the lefthanded-hitting Ortiz chose to start his suspension as the Sox entered a stretch in which they face four lefthanded starters in five games, starting yesterday with Twins ace Johan Santana. The Sox will face lefties Mark Hendrickson tonight and John Halama Wednesday in Tampa Bay and expect to see lefthander Mike Maroth Friday in Detroit.

"This is the way we saw as least painful," Francona said. "I hope it is."

Ortiz has hit .256 this year against lefthanders and .336 against righthanders. He has homered four times in 129 at-bats against lefties and 23 times in 268 at-bats against righties. No Sox player had appeared in more games this year than Ortiz (99) before he began serving his suspension.

With Ortiz out, Orlando Cabrera made his Sox debut in the third spot in the lineup and homered off Santana in his first at-bat. Francona indicated he is likely to bat Cabrera third during Ortiz's suspension and then would consider moving Cabrera into the fifth spot, formerly occupied by Garciaparra. The versatile Cabrera hit second, third, fourth, and fifth for the Expos.Blind spot

With Johnny Damon saying he is color blind and unable to clearly track fly balls in the Metrodome during the day, the Sox made last-minute changes to the lineup, shifting Damon to designated hitter, moving Gabe Kapler from right field to center, and using Kevin Millar as the right fielder instead of the DH.

Damon, who had not started as a DH since at least 2002, said, "It just seemed like every ball that was hit in batting practice, I had no clue. I've always had trouble with it, but it seems like it's a little bit worse now."

Damon, 30, said his vision may be affected by the aging process and indicated he may see an eye specialist.

"It probably wouldn't hurt," he said. "I saw one in spring training because I had a little blind spot the first part of spring training."

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He said his problems could be related to the serious concussion he suffered last year colliding with Damian Jackson in the Division Series in Oakland.

"It would not have done our team any good if I was out there [in center field]," he said. "It would have been a blowout because I just couldn't see anything, not even the easy ones. Mark Malaska was shagging better than I was."

Damon said he does not anticipate problems in the dome at Tampa Bay because the conditions are better, particularly for night games.

Delayed reaction

The Sox need not worry about losing Jason Varitek, Kapler, or Trot Nixon any time soon to the suspensions they received for their roles in the July 24 brawl at Fenway Park with the Yankees. Hearings on their appeals have been scheduled for Aug. 26. That made it easier to send catcher/ first baseman Andy Dominique back to Triple A Pawtucket to make room for Cabrera without worrying about needing a backup for Doug Mirabelli if Varitek were to miss time. The Sox hope their appeals are not resolved until after Sept. 1, when they can expand their 25-man roster . . . Outfielder Dave Roberts, who was acquired Saturday from the Dodgers for Triple A outfielder Henri Stanley, tried to join the Sox in Minnesota but was stalled by a fatal accident on Interstate 5 in California. He is scheduled to join the team today in Tampa Bay. Roberts, who stole 95 bases over the previous two seasons and has swiped 33 this season, will add another dimension to the Sox with his speed. Though Roberts primarily has played center field, he is expected to play all three outfield positions for the Sox. Kevin Youkilis is likely to return to Pawtucket to make room for Roberts . . . Francona faces a delicate balancing act trying to mix in the new players while maintaining harmony with incumbents such as Millar, Kapler, and David McCarty. He started all three yesterday, including McCarty at first base over newly acquired former Gold Glover Doug Mientkiewicz.

Striking match

Pedro Martinez fanned 11 batters, marking the 68th time he has struck out 10 or more in a game for the Sox, tying him with Roger Clemens for the club record. Martinez's strikeout of Lew Ford in the third inning was the 2,563d of his career, tying him with Tim Keefe for 23d all time. Bob Feller ranks 22d with 2,581 . . . Manny Ramirez's solo shot off Santana in the fourth was the 375th home run of his career, matching Mike Piazza for 55th all time . . . While Scott Williamson's elbow apparently has healed, he has yet to regain his command in three rehab outings for Pawtucket. The Sox hoped one outing would be enough, but he has allowed five earned runs in two innings over the three outings. In his latest appearance Saturday, Williamson allowed a walk and a run-scoring double while striking out two in one inning of a 10-2 loss to Columbus. He also fired a wild pitch. Though opponents have hit only .133 (2 for 15) against him, he has walked six and hit one batter. He is expected to try again for Pawtucket as soon as today. "He's just not quite where he needs to be," Francona said. "I think he acknowledges he needs some more work." . . . A team source said the complex, four-team deal involving Garciaparra would not have been completed had the Sox rejected a request by the Cubs for Single A outfielder Matt Murton. The 32d pick overall in last year's draft out of Georgia Tech, Murton signed with the Sox for just over $1 million. He showed considerable promise at Single A, batting .301 with 11 homers, 55 RBIs, and a .372 on-base percentage . . . The three-game series drew a total attendance of 113,297, the most for a three-game series at the Metrodome since 116,365 turned out to see the Twins play the Sox Aug. 16-18, 2002.

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Tonight I'm sticking to my guns - last night David Mccarty's 3 run homer, and You-kill-us's 2 RBI are some not so common occurrences - and though bell on the mound tonight for tampa doesnt do much for me - My fade hopes are still alive in hearing the news that roberts will start in right and mintkewicz will get the start at first (that was the plan according to francona last night after the game anyway)...

I hadnt even heard that bellhorn went on the DL until yesterday when I sat down to watch the game.

Roberts was slumping in the 10 game stretch before he left LA so hopefully that will continue - and generally speaking its difficult to imagine (barring a total letdown by bell [which unfortunately is slightly possible]) another large score on the red sox side of the scoreboard.



Regarding Roberts from the Globe:

"No sooner did Roberts arrive from the Dodgers (the Sox acquired him for Triple A outfielder Henri Stanley) than manager Terry Francona said the speedster will start in right field tonight and replace Johnny Damon at the top of the order, at least for one game. Roberts (.253 with 33 steals and 45 runs in 68 games for the Dodgers) has been almost exclusively a leadoff hitter in six seasons with the Indians and Dodgers"...
..."I think I bring something a little bit different," said Roberts, 32, whose 97.1 percent success rate in steals (33 for 34) leads the majors. "I hope I can add a little bit of speed to make this team more balanced. That's all I want to do. I think it's going to be a better situation for all of us."



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probably coulda got a better line but time ran out fast on me
 

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Last one of the series and I think this is where we'll see if there will be any trouble with infield depth. Cabrera is 1 for 9 and a night off wouldnt be out of the question in order to get guttierez (batting .197 on the season) some work.

Youkillus has factored in nicely lately when it mattered but he is still 4 for his last 22 (.181) and 1 for his last 10 (.100).

Mueller has been good in the clutch also but he is also in a bit of a rut batting only .154 in his last 8 games (4 for 26).

The story of this series so far has been (monday) youkillus and David Mccarty, and (tuesday) Varitek and Mueller, the 4 players who were responsible for driving in all of the runs scored over the last 2 days - unlikely heros for sure.

With roberts laying up an 0 fer 5 in the leadoff spot - I think its safe to assume that he either wont start tonight - yielding to kapler in right, or at least he wont be in the leadoff spot for much longer.


Halama was decent in his last outing despite the loss he only allowed 3 runs. Not great but certainly an improvement on the outing before when he allowed 9 at minny.

Damon has faced him the most (13 for 30) and has a nice .433 average in those 30 AB - however this year he is 1 for 4 against him and last year he only faced him once (base hit), so Damon may be the one to watch tonight but it has been a while since he had many at bats from him nonetheless.

On the other side the only one who has really seen arroyo is Lugo who is 3 for 11 lifetime against him but dose have a homer a walk and 3 RBI. Arroyo hasnt faced tampa yet this year.

Arroyo was brilliant in his last outing allowing only 2 runs on 8 hits earning the win for the sox, however it was only his second win in his last 12 appearances and he has only 4 wins on the season in 16 starts - which doesnt speak well for a guy pitching on a team with likes of Ortiz and Manny.

Tampa has not been swept at home. Nor have they lost more than 2 in a row at home since early may.

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As I expected Roberts has been removed for the time being anyway - however to my suprise francona is sticking with the O dog in that number 3 slot...

J. Damon cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
K. Youkilis 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
O. Cabrera ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
M. Ramirez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .322
J. Varitek c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .277
K. Millar dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297
D. Mientkiewicz 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .253
B. Mueller 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .256
G. Kapler rf 0 0 0 0 .275

I dunno about you guys but this lineup doesnt scare me much. Maybe they'll pull another one off but my money is on the other side.

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I shouldnt do this but I'm gonna take a last minute stab at the yankers

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Loaiza or contreras hmmm...
 

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I dare say I got lucky in both instances however I dont know if you can call a tie game at yankee stadium luck - especially with the oakland BP...

On the sox side of things it was 2 blatant coaching errors that helped me out - par for the course on this sox team.
 

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Wow that was easy - I should take stabs more often...

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