I've been wagering for quite some time and I've always had the gut feeling that all sports are fixed in one way or another. Especially the televised "big" games in sports. I just can't see how such a high percentage of games come so close to the spread numbers..it's ridiculously strange in my mind, but of course I love to wager on games, so I just hope each night I'm on the right side of the games I wager on. I know many people have many different reasons and views on this topic and wanted to know any thoughts anyone would like to contribute. Good luck to everyone with all future wagers.
I'm convinced that it happens all the time in boxing. I doubt that it happens in team sports much, if at all. The dynamics of team sports would require a larger conspiracy. With all of the TV and media coverage a plan to fix games would be exposed. Someone would find out about it through an "anonymous" source. I would not be surprised to hear about isolated incidents, but overall the games are legit. It is uncanny how many games dance around the spread near the end, though.
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Nice topic....Something towonderabout is what do the booksreallywant?Juice....They do a verygood job keeping the money even...there is really no need to fix games. Why bother with all the trouble (unless it is a select few including players on an unusual certain game but improbable) when you are making money hand over fist.Take a look at wagerline....just as noone can consistantly hammer their picks noone can consistantly loose more than 70%.
Just watch the NBA playoffs in the first round, any round for that matter, and when a team is up 2 games to none, you can almost guarantee the next game goes the other way. The money they pay these guys they need the revenue.
Its as almost if the NBA says, here guys, we want a 5 or 7 game series, may the best team win the one game.
Also, its amazing how many bricks are put up when its close to the number, either total or side. These guys are amazing, a guy doesnt miss a free throw all night and then cant hit the rim with a few seconds remaining. Gonna get the NBA pass after the all-star break and really watch the crookedness.........but I will still play the damn games
Its as almost if the NBA says, here guys, we want a 5 or 7 game series, may the best team win the one game.
Also, its amazing how many bricks are put up when its close to the number, either total or side. These guys are amazing, a guy doesnt miss a free throw all night and then cant hit the rim with a few seconds remaining. Gonna get the NBA pass after the all-star break and really watch the crookedness.........but I will still play the damn games
sports are fixed,,, but not like you think,,, noone is OWEING UP any situations,,, so I will give one,,,
a coach will tell assiastants,,, this week we are going to go to the ground,, and not Pass,,,, we usually pass the ball 25 times a game,,, this week were looking at5-8 times,,,, I want to see how our RBs handle it,,,
those assitants will sell that information to bookies,,, and the larger Powerhouse syndicates,,, so a college line may be set at 50-60
this will influence the GAME by 20 points easily,,,
now the question is,,, is that Fixing? yes,,, its information that increases the potential of that under to come in to 90%....
so they (the syndicates) will Hit it softly throught he week so not to ARROUSE suspician,,, then after that total has dropeed a few points to the under,, on game day it will Drop another 2 more,,,, depending on how many people are DUPED into seeing VALUE on that over,,,
this is one example it happens ALLLLLL the time,,,
tater
a coach will tell assiastants,,, this week we are going to go to the ground,, and not Pass,,,, we usually pass the ball 25 times a game,,, this week were looking at5-8 times,,,, I want to see how our RBs handle it,,,
those assitants will sell that information to bookies,,, and the larger Powerhouse syndicates,,, so a college line may be set at 50-60
this will influence the GAME by 20 points easily,,,
now the question is,,, is that Fixing? yes,,, its information that increases the potential of that under to come in to 90%....
so they (the syndicates) will Hit it softly throught he week so not to ARROUSE suspician,,, then after that total has dropeed a few points to the under,, on game day it will Drop another 2 more,,,, depending on how many people are DUPED into seeing VALUE on that over,,,
this is one example it happens ALLLLLL the time,,,
tater
The simple fact is that so many people cry "fix!" after a game but I have yet to see ANYONE say before a game, "This game will be fixed.
For gambling purposes, that's great if games are fixed. You are allowed to bet on both sides. Maybe some people didn't know that.
Funny that nobody ever seems to win fixed games.
If you're so sure the playoffs are fixed, then bet on the fix for chrissakes.
For gambling purposes, that's great if games are fixed. You are allowed to bet on both sides. Maybe some people didn't know that.
Funny that nobody ever seems to win fixed games.
If you're so sure the playoffs are fixed, then bet on the fix for chrissakes.
Also to add to what Tate said, I think that certain games can have somewhat predetermined outcomes but not "fixed" in a conspiracy-type way.
Take a large favorite in college football for example. Let's say you have Team X -35 points against East Montana Silo Tech. The coach of Team X may be good friends with the coach of EMST and has decided the week before that he has no intention of humiliating his friend. So on purpose he will not allow his team to play up to their potential in that game. So in a sense he has scripted the outcome of the game. It was decided the week before that EMST will cover the 35 points. That too is technically a "fix" but not in the sense we're talking about. His intentions have nothing to do with gambling or the pointspread but that's the outcome.
A lot of times, pointspreads are set up to reflect the difference between both teams playing to their maximum potential and you rarely get that in meaningless games.
Take a large favorite in college football for example. Let's say you have Team X -35 points against East Montana Silo Tech. The coach of Team X may be good friends with the coach of EMST and has decided the week before that he has no intention of humiliating his friend. So on purpose he will not allow his team to play up to their potential in that game. So in a sense he has scripted the outcome of the game. It was decided the week before that EMST will cover the 35 points. That too is technically a "fix" but not in the sense we're talking about. His intentions have nothing to do with gambling or the pointspread but that's the outcome.
A lot of times, pointspreads are set up to reflect the difference between both teams playing to their maximum potential and you rarely get that in meaningless games.
After 20 years of covering pro and major college sports for major newspapers, I can tell you that games aren't "fixed" in the sense that the question intimates - which is institutionally.
The question implies that games land close to the line, therefore they are suspicious. That would suggest that leagues are scripting games, similar to pro wrestling.
That ain't happening.
Now, can individuals affect a game? Sure. A major-college head coach I know was a center in college. He claimed he had the ability to throw a game more discreetly than a quarterback or anyone else - not that he would.
He said one well-placed bad snap would go virtually unnoticed.
Headache Smith threw BB games at Arizona State not by shooting poorly, but by backing off his man a step and letting him score.
So, yes, those things happen. But they are notable not because they land on or close to the line, but because they stand out as games that go completely counter to previous performance.
And my two cents - they aren't very common.
I'd say more games are affected by referees with personal grudges - who essentially cheat for no financial gain. Give me a list of people the ref likes and dislikes, and I can make money.
The question implies that games land close to the line, therefore they are suspicious. That would suggest that leagues are scripting games, similar to pro wrestling.
That ain't happening.
Now, can individuals affect a game? Sure. A major-college head coach I know was a center in college. He claimed he had the ability to throw a game more discreetly than a quarterback or anyone else - not that he would.
He said one well-placed bad snap would go virtually unnoticed.
Headache Smith threw BB games at Arizona State not by shooting poorly, but by backing off his man a step and letting him score.
So, yes, those things happen. But they are notable not because they land on or close to the line, but because they stand out as games that go completely counter to previous performance.
And my two cents - they aren't very common.
I'd say more games are affected by referees with personal grudges - who essentially cheat for no financial gain. Give me a list of people the ref likes and dislikes, and I can make money.
I can't believe some of you think sports are fixed, or am i that naive??? You are making it seem like every single game is fixed or has something behind it...I think that's absurd...sure, a game could be fixed easily but how does it benefit the player who is throwing the game???? it doesn't so why would they jeopardize where they have gotten for something so silly as to throw a game.
As for the inside information about running the ball 25 - 30 times a game....sure that helps with the under, but doesn't mean the game is fixed...that's part of the game plan and handicapping...not like I have any inside info ever but...
Just bothers me when people think they are fixed, at least to save face for the sport itself.
Note - boxig is not included in this...We have all seem some ridiculous decisions
Treez
As for the inside information about running the ball 25 - 30 times a game....sure that helps with the under, but doesn't mean the game is fixed...that's part of the game plan and handicapping...not like I have any inside info ever but...
Just bothers me when people think they are fixed, at least to save face for the sport itself.
Note - boxig is not included in this...We have all seem some ridiculous decisions
Treez
In an age where absolutely nothing is a secret anymore, the possibility of anything of a substantive nature being fixed is virtually impossible. A fix at major college or professional level in any team sport would require a conspiracy. The idea that this could somehow be kept quiet and undiscovered is pretty absurd.
How can it be absurd when it's discovered time and again? Or when it is one of the NCAA's biggest concerns?
The NCAA has a gambling czar. Every college and pro locker room has a poster-size warning against gambling. Each team goes through a seminar about the dangers and risks of gambling or getting involved with gamblers.
Does it happen every day? No. But is it real, sure. And it doesn't take a conspiracy. Much to the contrary, a player can bet against himself without telling hardly anyone.
Particularly at the college level, where student bookies are prevalent and sometimes athletes are susceptible, this can happen. It has happened, and it will continue to happen.
The NCAA has a gambling czar. Every college and pro locker room has a poster-size warning against gambling. Each team goes through a seminar about the dangers and risks of gambling or getting involved with gamblers.
Does it happen every day? No. But is it real, sure. And it doesn't take a conspiracy. Much to the contrary, a player can bet against himself without telling hardly anyone.
Particularly at the college level, where student bookies are prevalent and sometimes athletes are susceptible, this can happen. It has happened, and it will continue to happen.
