Saddam's Sons Confirmed Dead: killed Tuesday when U.S. soldiers stormed a house

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MOSUL, Iraq — Saddam Hussein's sons Odai and Qusai (search) were killed Tuesday when U.S. soldiers stormed a house in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul (search), U.S. military officials said Tuesday.

Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez of U.S. Central Command (search) announced late Tuesday night that Odai and Qusai were two of the four people who died in a firefight between U.S. troops and Iraqis at a house in Mosul earlier in the day.

Sources at the Pentagon and within the Bush administration earlier told Fox News that at least four "high-level" targets were killed inside the house, a large villa that belonged to one of Saddam's cousins. A senior administration official said the U.S. was "90 to 95 percent certain" that Saddam's sons were among the dead.

Officials said four bodies were transported out of the house. Three were adults -- Odai, Qusai and a bodyguard. The fourth body was of a teenager -- possibly Qusai's son.

Sanchez would not say how a positive identification of the bodies had been made. The U.S. government has DNA samples on Saddam's sons, but testing was expected to take some time. U.S. officials said they wanted to talk to people who knew Odai and Qusai in order to identify the bodies and look for distinguishing marks.

One U.S. official told Fox News that "they were shot up" so much that it is difficult to make a positive identification of the bodies.

The house was burned to the ground after a loud, four-hour gunbattle between the people inside and soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division (search).

Widespread and sporadic gunfire crackled across Baghdad after dark Tuesday as word spread that Saddam's feared and hated sons may have been killed.

"It's celebration. People have heard about what happened," a U.S. military spokesman told Reuters.

Officials told Fox News that they had two pieces of intelligence that directed them toward the house and that "there was some indication that Qusai and Odai were inside."

Residents of the city, 280 miles north of Baghdad, said the American soldiers were searching for Saddam's sons, who have been reported in the area. A reporter from Arab satellite station Al-Jazeera said eyewitnesses told him that Saddam's sons were in the house when it was raided.

• Map: Postwar Iraq

"Individuals of very high interest to the coalition forces were hiding out in the building," Lt. Col. William Bishop of the 101st Airborne Division told Reuters.

"This morning we went to the building and surrounded it."

Gen. Frank Helmick, the U.S. general in charge of the raid, told Fox News that U.S. soldiers were fired at by people inside the house as they approached, and the Americans called in helicopters and an unmanned vehicle for assistance before storming it.

"We received direct fire from the building multiple times. We used a scaled escalation of force," Helmick told Fox News' Steve Centanni at the scene of the firefight.

Helmick said U.S. forces couldn't get into the building because of the small-arms fire they were facing, so "we had to use bigger caliber weapons to render the building safe" -- including missiles, helicopters and grenade launchers.

Members of Charlie Company, 3rd Battalion of the 101st Airborne Division, wouldn't who -- if anyone -- they brought out of the house, but all the troops "have smiles on their faces and they seemed to have carried out this mission successfully," Centanni reported.

There were no U.S. fatalities.

Witnesses in the neighborhood said there are tunnels below the house. U.S. forces towed away a gray SUV from the side of house.

Mosul was believed to be the exit route for some of Saddam's family members trying to get out of Iraq and flee to Syria.

Fox News military analyst Col. Bill Cowan said he hoped Saddam's sons had been captured and not killed.

"I think in this case, it'd be great to have them alive," he said.

"I think for the [Iraqi] population to see these two guys shackled, incarcerated and really given some harsh treatment … will have a most profound and long-term psychological advantage."

The United States has offered a $25 million reward for information leading to Saddam's capture, and $15 million for his sons.

Cowan added that Saddam's sons might provide good intelligence on their father's whereabouts.

"It appears that good intelligence led to this raid," Ret. U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Valleley, a Fox News military analyst, said. "One event can lead to the other. So hopefully, this will lead to determining in some way where Saddam may be."

In Washington, President Bush's advisers were huddling around during a conference call trying to determine whether Saddam's sons were alive. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has briefed the president personally on the assault. White House officials seem less optimistic than the Pentagon about the turn of events.

"He [Bush] will be kept appraised of any updates as they become available," White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters. "The president is aware of the reports and is aware of the military operation that took place today."

Intelligence sources say the U.S. task force -- Task Force 20 -- was going after high-level targets during the Mosul raid, but they would not say whether the soldiers knew they were going after Odai and Qusai.

Task Force 20 -- including Army delta forces and CIA operatives -- was originally given the responsibility of finding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, but later it was ordered to refocus its efforts on hunting down Saddam and his inner circle. Sources confirmed to Fox News that special forces were involved with the raid.

The task force is basically a "hit team" that follows up only on solid intelligence.

"I think we're all anxiously awaiting confirmation," about the sons' deaths, Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, told Fox News Tuesday. "There's no question they were diabolical forces in Iraq."

Snowe, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said the potential death or capture of Qusai and Odai shows the world that the U.S. work in Iraq is far from over.

"I think it goes to show how important our role is in Iraq and continues to be that we have to remove these forces of fear," Snowe said. "Iraq was one of the most atrocious regimes ... no one can really underestimate the threat that Saddam Hussein posed."

I think that we all recognized that as long as Saddam Hussein continues to exist, he poses a threat to the Iraqi people -- they will never be able to breathe easy if they know he's there."

Odai, Saddam's eldest son, was commander of Iraq's paramilitary unit, known as the Saddam Fedayeen, and he was also chairman of the Iraqi Olympic Committee. He is No. 3 on the coalition's most-wanted list, after his father and Qusai.

Iraqi Olympic athletes say they were routinely jailed and tortured for losing competitions or disobeying Odai's orders.

During Saddam's reign, Qusai was in charge of all the military, intelligence and security services in Iraq, including the elite Republican Guard and the Special Security Organization, which protected the regime and its weapons.

From 1988 to 1999, Qusai often ordered mass executions of several thousand prisoners, and suppressed revolts among the al-Dulaym tribe in 1995 and among Shiites in 1997.

Both Odai and Qusai were active in the management of the general office of the military intelligence service, the Istikhbarat, and the internal intelligence service, the Mukhabarat.

Qusai was considered the more likely of the two to succeed their father.
 

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>Saddam Hussein's sons Odai and Qusai were killed Tuesday

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Didn't we already sit through two seperate reports of us "probably" killing Saddam? and a few dozen more of us "possibly" getting Bin Laden?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Surely this was worth the $20,000,000,000 or whatever it is we spend so far
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now that we've killed two of the "doubles" for saddam's sons, I guess this justifies not finding any WMDs, doesn't it.
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Arabs Shocked by TV Images of Saddam's Sons



Reuters
Friday, July 25, 2003; 2:17 PM



By Firouz Sedarat

DUBAI (Reuters) - Televised images of the bodies of Saddam Hussein's sons shocked many Arabs on Friday, who said it was un-Islamic to exhibit corpses, however much the brothers were loathed.

Arab and international networks showed the bodies identified as Uday and Qusay, laid out at the makeshift airport morgue, their faces partly rebuilt to repair wounds.

"Although Uday and Qusay are criminals, displaying their corpses like this is disgusting and repulsive. America claims it is civilized but is behaving like a thug," Saudi civil servant Saad Brikan, 42, told Reuters in Riyadh.

Another civil servant Hasan Hammoud, 35, said: "America always spoils its own image by doing something like this. What is the advantage of showing these bodies? Didn't they think about the humanitarian aspect? About their mother and the rest of their family when they see these images?"

The brothers died on Tuesday after U.S. forces lay siege to the villa in northern Iraq where they were hiding.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he ordered their bodies to be shown to convince frightened Iraqi's that Saddam's reign was truly over.

But prominent Saudi cleric Mohsen al-Awajy said: "This has been a dirty war from the beginning and it is difficult for us to find any morals or dignity in the middle of this.

"The Americans want to show the Iraqis that they are achieving their goals...There was no need to show the bodies."

He said while under Islam the bodies should be treated with sanctity, Iraqis would not forget that Uday and Qusay had committed vicious crimes against them.

"We shouldn't forget the pain of the Iraqis. These are just two casualties, and it would be better if their graves were kept secret, otherwise the Iraqis will attack their graves."

Mohammad Emara, an Egyptian Islamist scholar, told Al Jazeera television that displaying the bodies publicly was against Islamic Sharia law.

"Under Islamic law this is rejected. America wanted to boost the morale of its soldiers so it resorted to this illegal act which is denounced by all religions.

"America said during its war on Iraq that displaying pictures of its soldiers who were alive was against the Geneva convention so what about pictures showing disfigured bodies?"

He was referring to U.S. soldiers held captive during the war.

SOME KUWAITIS VOICE APPROVAL

A U.S. military official said "facial reconstruction" had been carried out, particularly to the elder son Uday whose face had been more disfigured by his wounds. The retouching was intended to make them more readily identifiable.

In Kuwait, Saddam's arch-enemy over Iraq's 1990-91 occupation of the tiny Gulf state, some people found the video did help convince them the two brothers were dead.

"I'm not sure about Uday but Qusay's pictures were very clear. I'm happy they are dead and that will make it easier for the Americans to restore stability to the country," said Abdullah al-Shimari, a 26-year-old Kuwaiti.

"The videos were very clear and even independent international reporters who have seen the bodies have confirmed it was them. People who have objected to showing the pictures are loyal to the Iraqi regime," said Mohammed al-Rashidi, a 27-year-old Kuwaiti.

But Egyptian analyst Diaa Rashwan said Washington had an uphill battle in winning credibility among Arabs.

"American credibility has been questioned for a long time in the Arab world, as well as other parts of the world. This is making a lot of Arabs doubt the authenticity of what the photos or the video show," Rashwan said.

U.S. officials believe the deaths of Saddam's sons will help staunch attacks on U.S. troops which they blame on his sympathizers and which have already claimed 44 lives.

But Iraqi analysts warn other groups with no loyalty to Saddam may be behind some of the attacks, including Islamic militants and nationalists who resent the takeover of their oil-rich country.

At Friday prayers in Falluja, west of Baghdad, angry Muslims said the bloodshed would go on until the Americans left.

"I don't understand why the Americans say it is the former Baath Party people who are killing their soldiers. All Iraqis want to kill the Americans because of the way they act," said shopkeeper Muhammad Abbas. (Additional reporting by Fahd al-Frayyan in Riyadh, Samia Nakhoul and Andrew Hammond in Dubai, Amil Khan in Cairo and Ahmad Mustafa in Kuwait)
 
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Someone in the NY Times letters wrote that because there was no court ruling (or even involvement) in this that it should be considered extrajudicial.

So, now the US encourages extrajudicial executions in its "colonies" abroad.

Pray for the men in Guantanamo.
 

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this is GREAT news. i had uday on my "death pool" team and his passing is worth 6 points to me. combined with the 4 i got from john butler and 1 from roger neilson it gives me 11 points - only 2 away from winning!
 

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That Roger Neilson pick is cold, no pun intended. Let me quess you also have Tug Mcgraw, and Ron Santo. RadioFreeCR: The Dead Pool is from a movie of the same name, starring Clint Eastwood, and Liam Neeson. Plot: some movie people have a secret pool where they pick the celebrity who will die the soonest, whoever picks the first person to die is the pool winner and gets the large cash pool. It has created kind of a cult following of people who actually play the game. Eastwood reprized his character Dirty Harry Callahan for the flick. Macabre to say the least.


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here's my team for the year:

Johnny Oates
Max Schmelling
###we "protected" these 2 from last year - each year you are allowed to keep 2 members of your team for the next year - bob hope and ronald reagan were protected this year as examples###
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Hamid Karzai
Julia Child
Roger Nielson - Dead - 1 point
Jim Otto
Ozzy Osbourne
Buck O'Neil
John Butler - Dead - 4 points (worth only 2 but the 1st one to die in the year is worth double points)
Leni Reifenstahl
Sadaam Hussein
Joe Cancer
Robert Downey Jr.
Uday Hussein - Dead - 6 points
Super Star Billy Graham
Art Linkletter
Ron Jeremy
Jack Nicholson
Mike Tyson
James Caan
Don Adams
Louis Anderson
Jay Leno
Marge Schott
Billy Idol

odds are we will win it again this year. that is unless the guy who has lebron james on his team (honest - someone does - and he is worth 10 points) gets that one and 1 more.
 

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I really like your Ozzie Osbourne pick. Hope and Reagan are automatic and could go anyday. Saddam is on the very endangered species list. To bad you missed Tex Schramm. Watch for Andy Rooney, and with any luck Newt Gingrich. Can you belive what the Japs did to Ferdinand, great Kentucky Derby winner if mid 80's, he paid $36 to win under a 54 year old Willie Shoemaker who might just might make a nice pick himself.


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