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SPORTS BOOKS THAT ARE STRUGGLING
June 17, 2004 - THE SHRINK


Let me preface this column by stating that just because a sports book I mention may be struggling to make ends meet does not necessarily mean they aren't to be trusted. Some of the most honorable men I have ever met are involved in a couple of these operations, but they happen to be having a hard time and they owe out money to other bookmakers, agents, and in some cases, gamblers. My purpose is to inform gamblers so that they can decide whether they want to continue playing at these shops, or take a wait and see approach, which is the one I recommend.

The first set of sports books has been around for a long time and they all operate underneath the VWAGER umbrella. The sister books include PLAYERS SUPER BOOK, MVP (remember there are two, but only one belonging here, mvpsportsbook.com) and BEVERLY HILLS BOOKIE.
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The first sign of trouble came when they were not able to pay out an advertising debt, but more alarming is the fact that at least three gamblers who have asked for a rather small pay out are being slow paid. Supposedly, they are to receive their money soon, but as of today, they have not.

CASCADE is another sports book that gamblers should be careful about due to the fact that a major backer is likely to be pulling out. Given the current environment and since we don't yet know the result of a meeting which took place yesterday between the major backer and Cascade, it would be highly recommended to wait and see what the result of that meeting is before taking a chance and sending them money.

I warned everyone about BLUE GRASS months ago and despite the fact that their main guy is extremely honorable and trustworthy, they are operating on fumes. They have serious debt and have been asking some other bookmakers for financial assistance.

ROYAL SPORTS had been struggling to pay out gamblers earlier this month but to their credit, they have cleared this debt and all gamblers to my knowledge have been paid in full.

VWAGER & ROYAL had been sponsors on this site, but we have taken them down UNTIL we are more confident they meet the HIGH standards we require to advertise on TheRx.com.

If they rebound and meet the requirements necessary for reinstatement, we will be happy to have them back.

In conclusion, many offshore bookmakers have not fared very well over the past couple of months. Therefore, I recommend to stick with the ones that have a proven track record of paying out quickly. I am proud to say that NONE of the sports books that we display on our Home Page are having any financial problems that I am aware of...

THE SHRINK
 

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I recall reading an article here on the homepage a few years ago when Doug made his move to costa rica to start Bluegrass......Good guy TOUGH business....is it a lack of BM skills or living on top......I would say the latter.....reason being you may have deep pockets to begin with and be on top of the world, but you may get HIT and not be ready for it....his lines were off at times....BM are in business they should not be gambling......live and learn. GL
 

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Thanks SHRINK.

This is a worthwhile and good warning currently. With that said, I want to wish each one of these books the very best.

I think the readers should be glad that you did step forward and share your concerns.
 

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forgot to add with the Shrink's bad run in the NBA finals books must be better off now or......
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Almost every shop in the world won a ton on the NBA finals. Tons of LA LAkers -800 money line winners and LA Lakers only covered once. Baseball has been fine with underdogs winning slightly higher than normal rates.

big handles on the Tripe Crown races with the Smarty Jones mania.

Its been a great Spring for the books with sports bets.

There might be books in trouble but it is not because of sports wagering troubles.
 

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trytrytry,

How do you think the majority of the sports book did in game 2 of the NBA FINALS when the betting line opened Lakers minus 8 1/2, then closed Lakers minus 7 1/2, and the final result was the Lakers winning by 8?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
trytrytry,

How do you think the majority of the sports book did in game 2 of the NBA FINALS when the betting line opened Lakers minus 8 1/2, then closed Lakers minus 7 1/2, and the final result was the Lakers winning by 8?
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good point!!
 

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Not to mention there were several TOTALS during the NBA FINALS that the bookmakers got MIDDLED on as well...
 

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Thank you Shrink.

The was the most straight forward and helpful post on the RX in quite a long time.

Very much appreciated.
 

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It takes many games for a sportsbook to recover from a number falling such as what happened in game #2......... probably more than what the other four games in the series could have provided, for the majority.

ps- just speaking of the game pointspread itself here.
 

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Here's an example of what Fishhead just astutely pointed out...

For arguments sake, let's just say that a BM'S theoretically hold on a game is 5%.

If they were to get MIDDLED on a game and lose almost 100% of the bets, it would take 20 more games of the SAME MAGNITUDE (amount wagered) to get them even...

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Game 2 falling 8 hurt some books. But most books I would bet did not get hurt as bad as you think. As for totals falling what bm takes a lot on a total? BM's love to tell you how a game killed them when it fell a certain number because they pushed instead of winning. To them that is like losing because they are very greedy people for the most part. U always hear the horror stories from bookmakers never the other way around. Isn't that odd?
 

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I think that books who are in trouble financially were in trouble before game 2, yes that game didn't help but this series in no way is causing any more trouble than they had before! Here we are Baskets over and now trouble posted?? Sounds familiar to me!!
 

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Im not sure fi what Ivan pointed out is true but it reminds of something else that irritates me..

companies like Ford for example..

" Oh we lost 175 million this year, layoffs are expected"

They didnt LOSE anything. They just didn't make as much as they projected. So they call it a loss.
 

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V-Wager is over 80 days late on payments! Not just since this series! Been in trouble for over 2months!!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ivanm:

Game 2 falling 8 hurt some books. But most books I would bet did not get hurt as bad as you think. As for totals falling what bm takes a lot on a total? BM's love to tell you how a game killed them when it fell a certain number because they pushed instead of winning. To them that is like losing because they are very greedy people for the most part. U always hear the horror stories from bookmakers never the other way around. Isn't that odd?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Right On! I couldn't agree with you more. Some of the biggest crybabies I know are Bookmakers and Watchdog Operators...
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by THE SHRINK:
Here's an example of what Fishhead just astutely pointed out...

For arguments sake, let's just say that a BM'S theoretically hold on a game is 5%.

If they were to get MIDDLED on a game and lose almost 100% of the bets, it would take 20 more games of the SAME MAGNITUDE (amount wagered) to get them even...

THE SHRINK<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To be fair however Shrink, books will not lose 100% of their bets as many squares will lay the -8.5 and take the +7.5.............so a book being middled will never have the complete 100% damage like you stated.

But having said that, it is still a huge chunk to recover.
 

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If books get beat down, then that likely means the players won. Go players!
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The solid books will survive. And that is what we need. The truly solid ones.
 

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