"BREAKING VEGAS" MIT Blackjack Wiz Reveals Successes At Vegas Casinos

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They were scores of scrubbed-faced college kids seemingly out on a lark, partying down at gambling casinos around the world – and winning. Not just enough for next semester’s tuition, but hundreds and thousands of dollars every night.

They were members of the largest and most successful of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology blackjack teams – mental marauders who had perfected a card-counting technique that nearly broke the bank wherever they went.

Russian-born graduate student Semyon Dukach was the founder of a group that called itself Amphibians Investments. Bored by his major in computer science at MIT, Dukach joined classmates in the card-counting venture.

Eventually, he began to manage and train battalions of volunteers who wanted to do more with their summer vacation than bask in the sun. On Sunday, the History Channel will present “Breaking Vegas,” the story of Dukach and his pocket-protector brigade.

He talks about the experience:

How he got interested: “I read Ken Uston’s books when I was a kid, and it seemed really cool, and then one day at MIT, I was walking down the hallway and saw a sign that said: ‘Group needs recruits. Make $10,000 over the summer’ or something like that.”

The silent underground: “Since the late ’60s there have been people at MIT who have various techniques at beating blackjack. … The group that I joined had already become fairly professional zed, we paid taxes, had records. It was legal.”

How the technique works: “The term ‘counting cards’ simply refers to the idea of keeping track of the cards that are dealt, in some way … to (evaluate) the other cards that haven’t been played yet. …

“Everybody watches the cards when they’ve played, it’s just a question of having a good system and good ability for using that information.

“There’s no magic trick. It’s just being aware of the cards and having a system that allows you to do it without having to do crazy memorizations like in ‘Rain Man.’ That’s really what the system’s about – it’s about making it easier to keep track of the cards.”

Why the Amphibians landed: The groups tended to get larger and larger, and it became fairly unwieldy to manage them. You could only bet so much, so to have a higher return on the investment, you would have to have more people playing.

The casinos’ reaction: Casinos had a lot of incentives to keep us from playing. So they kick us out when they get to know us.

The payoff: For an investor, over a year, you’d expect 100 percent. That’s not out of line with any small business that takes a risk.

Gambling Magazine.com
 

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IMHO,
BJ is PURE luck with getting cards and a little skill knowing to let the deal bust before you
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Dante,
I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Blackjack is a purely mathematical game that can be broken down statistically. In the long run, there is zero luck involved. Most never get into the long run and do not know the math and statistics involved, however. This is when luck comes in, usually bad luck on the part of the player. That is why those casinos stay in business my friend.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
IMHO,
BJ is PURE luck with getting cards and a little skill knowing to let the deal bust before you
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Dante- Successful card counting gives the player a substantial advantage.
 

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GD and Fishface, I see your point I just feel in a 6 card shoe im not sure how many can count cards there...If they can then more power to them



now if your talking single deck BJ ok ill buy that
 

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Personally, I still prefer video poker.

But I have friends that do EXTREMELY well at blackjack...........just not my cup of tea.
 

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dante - they are NOT able to read the cards to come. they, however, are smart enough to know the probabilities of the cards to come. of course, they could get unlucky and the 70% shot fail on occasion, but over the long run as greendoberman says, probability prevails!
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
GD and Fishface, I see your point I just feel in a 6 card shoe im not sure how many can count cards there...If they can then more power to them

now if your talking single deck BJ ok ill buy that<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dante, that's a misconception. Card counting has a better ROI (and return on time spent) from a 6-deck shoe (assuming it isn't cut too damn shallow). The problem with single deck games is you don't get enough hands to find an advantageous situation. With a 6-deck shoe you can have +EV hands for a nice run of several hands in a row. Understand that you don't have to memorize every card out, you just need to take the temperature of what's left in the shoe.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dante:
GD and Fishface, I see your point I just feel in a 6 card shoe im not sure how many can count cards there...If they can then more power to them

now if your talking single deck BJ ok ill buy that<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dante, that's a misconception. Card counting has a better ROI (and return on time spent) from a 6-deck shoe (assuming it isn't cut too damn shallow). The problem with single deck games is you don't get enough hands to find an advantageous situation. With a 6-deck shoe you can have +EV hands for a nice run of several hands in a row. Understand that you don't have to memorize every card out, you just need to take the temperature of what's left in the shoe.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



never thought of it like that D2..I stand corrected
 

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Team counting is much different than counting as you are thinking as well. When you are part of a team you have a number of players counting and playing table minimums, never changing their bets. When they get an especially advantageous count they call in a player that is playing massive amounts of money, could be hundreds of times the amount of the counters and the "big player" can sometimes take up two or three hands at the big amounts as well. They literally play every hand in a positive advantage so mathematically they have to win over the medium and long run. They still might have bad days, but the edge is huge when you are always playing in positive spots.

Burning Down The House is a best-selling book on this that is a great read.
 

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I started counting cards in the mid 1970's. At that time there was not a big awareness of what proper counting can do. Also the houses cut deep into the deck. That is the key ingredient.It doesn't matter whether you are playing against 1 deck or 8 decks. Although if they cut deep into the deck you are better off against 1 deck. Ceaser's Palace in Tahoe had a 1 deck table in the late 70's where they cut the deck so there were only a few cards left below the cut card. I never lost at that table. I didn't play it all the time because I didn't want to be noticed. But the last day of my trip I would spend a few hours at that table and walk away with all my losings and expenses covered.Because when you get down near the bottom your count is very accurate and probabilities will be more likely to occur.

But as the casinos began to wise up they started cutting the deck higher. Now the average casino leaves 1/3 of the deck below the cut card and in a 1 deck game they only play 2 rounds (about 1/2 the deck) and then shuffle. These counter actions defeat the technique of counting. If you count against these decks the count only starts becoming real accurate when it is time to cut the deck.

It is a mental effort to count and takes away from the enjoyment of playing BJ. I rarely count anymore. Although when I count I still find it very accurate to decide when to take insurance against a dealer Ace. That's about all.
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Bringing Down the House- The story of the MIT Blackjack team

One of the best books I have ever read, read it all in one night, couldn't put it down.
 

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It's a great book. I question the accuracy. 21 counters lose quite a bit, as their edge is only around 1.5% best case and typically more like .5-1%.

These guys likely had the 1.5% edge, but it is still hardly a guarantee. To put in in perspective it would be like dealing a baseball 8 cent line and booking random bets.
 
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During my card playing years, 70's to 80's, you had all of the shallow cut 1 deck tables you could find. You could vary your bets, without scrutiny and gernerally, if you maintained a low profile could earn well. But once the books came out, and csainos felt as if their inherent advantages were no longer there, they went defensive. Single deck and shallow cuts were targeted. Still, it was even better with a 6 deck shoe, to ride the +count longer. Especially if lotsa A's. Then they would cut deep, a deck to a deck and a half, on a 6 deck shoe. That ended that. I was always the tiger. Eating by myself. But packs of lions were also present. Bad part was you were treated like a cheater of some kind. Would unnerve me to have player and or players that had no idea of Braun's basic strategy. Foundation to counting. I had every book. What I have learned is whenever something gives you an edge, it is a matter of time before too many get in on it, and the party ends. I should giveaway all those books as I will never be there again. Best Wishes...OF
 

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Guys-

Myself and the gals go out with guys who claim that they are professional card counters. Almost always they end up losing at the tables and not haveing enough money to take us out on the town. It seems to be a really hard profession, this card counting bussiness.
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Well Molly, very sad to hear that. Back in the day, you never even used the word counting, and did everything you could to avoid such a label. If anything, the guys that say they are, and are pros, maybe slept in the Holiday Inn. Or maybe they wanted an in with you at the Inn. When I was chasin the ladies, in the casinos, I would say let's get outta here and do something exciting. Either hiking, horseback riding, sailing, balloon ride, anything exciting. I would show them the best time, and use my comps for the best dinners. Also helps to have a suite. Your guys are the ones that are hoping there are people gullible enough to believe their charade. The ones selling all the stuff they bought as souveniers before that losing streak, for 30 cents on the buck. You know how easy it is to find a lady with a self proclaimed professional, that wants to lose him asap? If your still around sometime I can tell you a great story about that exact situation. Best Wishes and happy hunting for your real Mr. Goodbar...OF
 

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Fez,

I mean who knows but often times they made it sound like they weren't getting called into shoes with less than a true count of +6. If that is the case that is a minimum of 2.5% edge. Some of the times they were +13 or higher, so I seriously doubt their edges were 1.5% doing the team play. Of course the costs of a team are high, but if you are betting at say 3% edge a hand and getting 3 to 5 dimes out there a hand as they mentioned, that is a nice expected profit of around $100/hand. Regular counters usually get about 1% edge, but team play is the "killer app" when it comes to counting. For the longest time I was thinking how could the casinos care much about all the counters when they have edges like you say. But in reading this book and having a somewhat similar story told to me by a high-level counter, I could see why casinos would be literally shaking in their boots from this.

People should realize though that today the MindPlay and a couple other products for BJ will completely kill this off. That computer can spot a counter instantly, I think it takes about 20 hands for it to feel confident with almost no doubt you are a skilled player. If you are trying to bet 4 figures and they even sniff you are a skilled player you will be backed off instantly. For awhile they have been depending on the Griffin software to do their counter checks, but now they will have technology in-house that in a casino's thinking pays for itself in a day!
 

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you guys are completely overlooking the fact they used "the ace tracking system" which became the staple of everything they did.

i don't think this had been done before. they watched to see where the aces were going back in the deck in addition to counting and using team play

its not like they were the first team to go in, count cards and walk away with a bundle.

they had prevously unseen tricks up the sleeve.
 

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