What irritates me the most about instant replay J~man is the Ref going to the sideline, putting his headphones on, and poking his head up against the camera. My belief, and I would be willing to put any amount of money on it, is that once he puts that headset on, the ref has no control or say in which way the call will go........It's coming directly from upstairs.They try to lead us to believe that the ref on the sideline is making the final decision.
interesting point Hache man i guess only time will tell who realy is pulling the puppet strings when it comes to instant replay. Maybe they should tie in the video that the ref is watching onto the big screen at the game. If nothing else it certainly would add a new perspective to how refs come to decisions. I think a snow flake has a better chance in hell than the NFL approving that but still food for thought.
You think so Hache? I don`t know either way on that...It wouldn`t surprise me, I don`t think its ever been mentioned if the ref is getting help upstairs...I`d rather see them do away with it, it takes to long and then sometimes they still blow the call...It just takes too long this way, it definitely shouldn`t be reviewed by a field ref...
This is what blew my mind though, and I am certain this is fact, the ref doesn`t always get to see all the replays that we at home may see!? How can that be...I know this is a fact I have heard Billick complain about this twice.... Once the Ravens had an obvious two point conversion that wasn`t overturned after we (the audience at home) clearly saw the ball breaking the plain, after the game Billick told everyone the ref didn`t have that view to look at....
They should have someone upstairs doing it anyway I think..
This is what blew my mind though, and I am certain this is fact, the ref doesn`t always get to see all the replays that we at home may see!? How can that be...I know this is a fact I have heard Billick complain about this twice.... Once the Ravens had an obvious two point conversion that wasn`t overturned after we (the audience at home) clearly saw the ball breaking the plain, after the game Billick told everyone the ref didn`t have that view to look at....
They should have someone upstairs doing it anyway I think..
The 3 time rule is basically a non rule. Only once last year did a team have two successful challanges in the same game. The Kansas City Chiefs withdrew their proposal for an expansion of the playoffs from 12 to 14 teams, saying that there was not enough support from other teams to pass the rule change. Possible other changes coming up for vote tomorrow are rules addressing the instituting of 15-yard penalties for choreographed celebrations and some minor changes to the fair catch rule that will eliminate any returns by the receiving team once the signal is made.
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No doubt in my mind J~man/guys, about final decison being made upstairs. No reason for that ref to put those headphones on if it's just his decision. Also J, could it be that incidents like above you mentioned, where the ref doesn't see the same replays as we do, are true...........Or as I said, final decisions come from upstairs and there's more to it than they want us to know..........
Well if they started challenging pass interference than the the game would never finish...I do agree though , there are certain things that are unchallengeable that need to be looked at...Its not even close to being right, why are they not looking into modifying some of these rules...How many times have we seen a play where an obvious fumble happened and then you get the ref saying the whistle blew, then on replay you hear nothing? Or the good ole 'inadvertant whistle'? these things should be looked at seriously, this is where the replay rule and the rules in general have problems...
Kind of early for this - but watch for a lot more defensive holding calls next year. Several clubs complained about refs not calling DBs for holding recievers up by their jerseys. (Patriots were mentioned as culprits). Bottom line is the NFL wants to see more scoring - so they will have their refs clamp down on holding in the secondary to open up passing games. Result - more completions, and first downs, which leads to touchdowns.
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PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) NFL owners adopted a 15-yard penalty for excessive celebrations Wednesday after being embarrassed by Joe Horn's hidden cell phone trick and Terrell Owens' end-zone autograph.
The penalty will be in addition to fines previously in place for choreographed and multiplayer celebrations.
The infractions are considered unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. The yardage will be marched off from the spot at the end of the previous play or, after a score, on the ensuing kickoff. If the infraction is flagrant, the player will be ejected.
''The players know they will be hurting their team,'' Jets coach Herman Edwards said.
The vote was 31-1, with the Raiders the lone dissenter.
In December, Horn made an end-zone call after a teammate handed him a phone that had been stashed under the goal-post padding. The season before, Owens pulled a pen from his sock to sign the football after a touchdown catch.
The owners on Wednesday also:
increased the size of practice squads from five to eight players;
allowed head coaches or any player to call a timeout;
extended the five-day period immediately after the season ends for interviewing assistant coaches to seven days, or the conclusion of the wild-card round. The policy also now will cover high-level front office positions;
made a punt or missed field goal untouched by the receiving team a dead ball once it touches the end zone or touches a kicking team player in the end zone;
No more runbacks from the endzone of missed field goals - Ravens rule.
modified free kick, fair catch and personal foul rules;
allowed wide receivers to wear Nos. 10 through 19 even when numbers in the 80s are available.
Keyshawn Rule - he can keep #19.
Commissioner Paul Tagliabue also said it was possible the new NFL Network could carry games live in the next television package. The current $17.6 billion contract with ABC/ESPN, ABC and CBS expires after the 2005 season.
''I don't think it's likely, but anything in life is possible,'' he said. ''The NFL Network is in the long term.''
NFL Network is carried by satellite and by two of the major cable carriers.
On Tuesday, hours after league owners approved a five-year extension of instant replay, adding a third coaches' challenge if the first two are successful, the NFL succeeded in a federal appeals court in New York.
The court agreed to hear arguments days before the draft to overturn the ruling allowing Ohio State sophomore Maurice Clarett and other underclassman and high schoolers into the draft.
NFL chief counsel Jeff Pash thinks there's a strong chance the court will grant a stay of the lower court ruling before the April 24-25 draft. That means Clarett, Southern California sophomore Mike Williams and seven others would not be included in the draft.
''I think there is a very substantial chance he will not be in the draft,'' Pash said.
Should that happen and the NFL subsequently loses the appeal, a supplemental draft for those players would be held within 10 days of the court decision.
Alan Milstein, Clarett's agent, said that would harm his client. Milstein said Clarett would lose leverage to negotiate a contract, as well as practice time and time to learn his new team's playbook, if he were not drafted in April.
''They did not issue a stay,'' Milstein told The Associated Press. ''They set forth an expedited briefing schedule. Nothing happened today that was unexpected. The court is just doing what it needs to do to work hard and get Maurice in the draft and with plenty of time to do it.''
Pash said the hearing will be April 19 or 20.
The vote on replay was 29-3, with Kansas City, Indianapolis and Cincinnati voting against. Arizona for the first time, according to Tagliabue voted for the five-year extension with the additional challenge.
Twenty-four votes were needed from the 32 teams to keep replay. Tagliabue said some teams were reluctant to put it in permanently in fear it would be too difficult to remove.
In a key financial move, owners renewed for 15 years the NFL Trust, which provides $4 million per team in licensing revenue for merchandise with team logos. But there was enough sentiment from teams such as the Cowboys, Redskins and Dolphins to investigate modifying it, and Tagliabue will appoint a nine-member committee to look at all aspects of revenue sharing.
No one questions the concept of apportioning income, particularly from the eight-year, $17.6 billion television contract.
But owners such as Dallas' Jerry Jones and Washington's Dan Snyder want wider marketing rights for their teams' products. Owners in smaller markets, including Buffalo's Ralph Wilson, Indianapolis' Jim Irsay and Pittsburgh's Dan Rooney, are concerned about what they consider an increasing disparity in cash flow between teams.
Tagliabue, 63, indicated there will be no problem in negotiating an extension of his contract, which expires May 2005. The owners voted unanimously Monday to give him as many as three more years beyond that date.
The owners heard more on the proposal to build a new stadium for the New York Jets on the West Side of Manhattan. Tagliabue said there would be further discussion but emphasized no commitment was made by the league for a future Super Bowl there.
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The penalty will be in addition to fines previously in place for choreographed and multiplayer celebrations.
The infractions are considered unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. The yardage will be marched off from the spot at the end of the previous play or, after a score, on the ensuing kickoff. If the infraction is flagrant, the player will be ejected.
''The players know they will be hurting their team,'' Jets coach Herman Edwards said.
The vote was 31-1, with the Raiders the lone dissenter.
In December, Horn made an end-zone call after a teammate handed him a phone that had been stashed under the goal-post padding. The season before, Owens pulled a pen from his sock to sign the football after a touchdown catch.
The owners on Wednesday also:
increased the size of practice squads from five to eight players;
allowed head coaches or any player to call a timeout;
extended the five-day period immediately after the season ends for interviewing assistant coaches to seven days, or the conclusion of the wild-card round. The policy also now will cover high-level front office positions;
made a punt or missed field goal untouched by the receiving team a dead ball once it touches the end zone or touches a kicking team player in the end zone;
No more runbacks from the endzone of missed field goals - Ravens rule.
modified free kick, fair catch and personal foul rules;
allowed wide receivers to wear Nos. 10 through 19 even when numbers in the 80s are available.
Keyshawn Rule - he can keep #19.
Commissioner Paul Tagliabue also said it was possible the new NFL Network could carry games live in the next television package. The current $17.6 billion contract with ABC/ESPN, ABC and CBS expires after the 2005 season.
''I don't think it's likely, but anything in life is possible,'' he said. ''The NFL Network is in the long term.''
NFL Network is carried by satellite and by two of the major cable carriers.
On Tuesday, hours after league owners approved a five-year extension of instant replay, adding a third coaches' challenge if the first two are successful, the NFL succeeded in a federal appeals court in New York.
The court agreed to hear arguments days before the draft to overturn the ruling allowing Ohio State sophomore Maurice Clarett and other underclassman and high schoolers into the draft.
NFL chief counsel Jeff Pash thinks there's a strong chance the court will grant a stay of the lower court ruling before the April 24-25 draft. That means Clarett, Southern California sophomore Mike Williams and seven others would not be included in the draft.
''I think there is a very substantial chance he will not be in the draft,'' Pash said.
Should that happen and the NFL subsequently loses the appeal, a supplemental draft for those players would be held within 10 days of the court decision.
Alan Milstein, Clarett's agent, said that would harm his client. Milstein said Clarett would lose leverage to negotiate a contract, as well as practice time and time to learn his new team's playbook, if he were not drafted in April.
''They did not issue a stay,'' Milstein told The Associated Press. ''They set forth an expedited briefing schedule. Nothing happened today that was unexpected. The court is just doing what it needs to do to work hard and get Maurice in the draft and with plenty of time to do it.''
Pash said the hearing will be April 19 or 20.
The vote on replay was 29-3, with Kansas City, Indianapolis and Cincinnati voting against. Arizona for the first time, according to Tagliabue voted for the five-year extension with the additional challenge.
Twenty-four votes were needed from the 32 teams to keep replay. Tagliabue said some teams were reluctant to put it in permanently in fear it would be too difficult to remove.
In a key financial move, owners renewed for 15 years the NFL Trust, which provides $4 million per team in licensing revenue for merchandise with team logos. But there was enough sentiment from teams such as the Cowboys, Redskins and Dolphins to investigate modifying it, and Tagliabue will appoint a nine-member committee to look at all aspects of revenue sharing.
No one questions the concept of apportioning income, particularly from the eight-year, $17.6 billion television contract.
But owners such as Dallas' Jerry Jones and Washington's Dan Snyder want wider marketing rights for their teams' products. Owners in smaller markets, including Buffalo's Ralph Wilson, Indianapolis' Jim Irsay and Pittsburgh's Dan Rooney, are concerned about what they consider an increasing disparity in cash flow between teams.
Tagliabue, 63, indicated there will be no problem in negotiating an extension of his contract, which expires May 2005. The owners voted unanimously Monday to give him as many as three more years beyond that date.
The owners heard more on the proposal to build a new stadium for the New York Jets on the West Side of Manhattan. Tagliabue said there would be further discussion but emphasized no commitment was made by the league for a future Super Bowl there.
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Regarding instant replay...
Everyone keeps talking about the headphones.
I thought the main reason the field ref had the headphones was so that he could talk to the guy running the replays. Without them, how could he ask for different angles, slo-mo, etc?
It would be ridiculous to just stand there and watch without the two-way communication.
Everyone keeps talking about the headphones.
I thought the main reason the field ref had the headphones was so that he could talk to the guy running the replays. Without them, how could he ask for different angles, slo-mo, etc?
It would be ridiculous to just stand there and watch without the two-way communication.
I agree , I think the field ref is making the call...I don`t think anyone upstairs is persuading him like Hache insists...
I think the review should be upstairs by one or more officials who can review the play and make a more efficient decision...It takes too long this way...its a very odd format..
You`d think this billion dollar empire would have a better forumla other than the refs peep show under the hood...
Wasn`t the replay originally upstairs, I am almost certain it was the first few years reviewed up in the press box...
I think the review should be upstairs by one or more officials who can review the play and make a more efficient decision...It takes too long this way...its a very odd format..
You`d think this billion dollar empire would have a better forumla other than the refs peep show under the hood...
Wasn`t the replay originally upstairs, I am almost certain it was the first few years reviewed up in the press box...
